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In light of the recent dominance in numbers of Korean players in the top of big international tournament, I thought that we could discuss if and how we should handle this. My feeling is that we only should have the best from each country in the top of international events, and not let countries with very good b, and c team dominate the top of the international competitions totally. Here are some of my thoughts.
The thing that a lot of ordinary sports do in its international competitions is to put limits on how many can compete from each country, often you get a number of spots based on the countries results in previous competitions. The logic behind this is that an international competition is suppose to be just that - International. The best players from each country, not the A, B, C , D team of the best countries.
The logic behind limiting the dominant nations from taking all the spots in competitions apart from keeping them international, is that you use the international competitions to grow the sports and create role-models in countries where the sport is not yet as big.
The dominant countries get to pick maybe there 6 or 7 best players and send them. That is enough to secure that you get a competitive competition. Watching the best players from the smaller countries get beaten by the B, C ,and D team of the big nations is just not in the best interest of any sport.
How to handle this in SC2? I don't even feel like starting but I got a few ideas. But if SC2 is going to keep growing beyond the hardcore fans, we need to get this issue sorted. This has the potential to really stunt the growth of SC2 as an e-sport. It also is not interesting to have the whole top 20 of a tournament filled with contestants from one country. Well it is to hard core fans of SC2 who only care about seeing a perfect micro and macro, or people who care specifficly about that country. But its not interesting to the casual fans. And you are not going to grow starcraft2 as an e-sport on hardcore starcraft-connoisseurs.
PS.Maybe you could have max: 5 players from a single country directly qualified/invited in to the top 20 group-stage, and 4 of the 20 spots going to anyone coming from the bracket. That would give a maximum of 9 players from one country in the top 20. That is still a lot but at least it is a tolerable amount. One example on how to solve it DS.
Edit: spelling.
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is there seriously a thread about this? Why not just ban Korea all together... No, the only thing that we can do is get better and dominate Korea, not restrict the amount of players they can send off to compete in our tournaments. this is just stupid...
It is becos of international tournaments that foreign teams are picking up Korean players anyway.
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Foreigners just need to work harder and stop making excuses. End of story.
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OP edited; original response irrelevant.
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There is nothing to handle. This is not a problem.
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Its too bad that you think people are only able to cheer for people from their own country.
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Get used to the Koreans being good. They're here to stay. And thank God.
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This idea is completely ridiculous, it is hardly the korean's fault that they have excellent training schedules. How about other countries step up to the plate and work harder, instead of giving them handouts?
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At least make sure your thread title is correct, resent is very different from recent...
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I like the typo in the topic.
Extra points if OP thinks it has no spelling errors.
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So then we get WCG all over again and players like Jaedong beating their opponents, saying they play like the computer xd
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"You guys are too good, we don't want to play with you anymore cause you keep winning all the time."
How does that sound?
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I don't understand the point. You are suggesting that we watch overall lower level of play at major tournaments in order for a greater likelihood of whatever national preference you have to to win. Not unlike many people.
Some tournaments already have Korean qualifiers for some spots, I believe IPL is one of those events, but I think the style you are looking for is something like WCG.
Its a little unfortunate to me as a spectator because I don't give a shit what country they are from as to whether they win or not, but tournaments have to start worrying about including enough "favorite" foreigners to keep their view count up for sponsors/business reasons.
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Team liquid should implement a "like" function or thumbs up function to peoples responses. That way I can "like" the non ignorant.
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I don't think that a national quota system is really the best answer to the problem. I do think MLG's qualifier system is a good example of how to make it work though, where they have NA, EU, and KR qualifiers for the arenas, then the top of the arenas go to championship pools. This means that all three regions are equally represented at the Arena, but only those who can get past the first round go to the pools. This lets the best dominate, but gives regionally strong players a better chance to break through.
The real solution is to get a better infrastructure in place outside of Korea. In Korea they have many well supported teams with big rosters, whereas in the west we tend to have teams with relatively small rosters. By having big team rosters, up-and-coming players can learn from the best, and often become a new wave of talent. The rest of the world isn't lacking in talent, its just lacking in solid institutions to find and develop that talent.
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Blame the "pro's" that can't be bothered to practice as hard or as seriously as the Koreans. Can you imagine if Basketball players were asking for Handicaps against Jordan back in the day because he was "too good"? Or Hockey players against Gretzky? They'd get laughed straight out of the sport.
Toughen up and get better or don't bother trying.
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Yep, I too didn't really like this IPL. Way too many Koreans, so I quickly lost and didn't really care who wins it. The problem was IPL paying trips for so many Koreans and European teams would have to send their players there on their own, which they didn't do, because there were 3 offline events going on at the same time in Europe.
David Ting already admitted his fault and said for IPL 5 there will be regional qualifiers so the regions in championship bracket will be more balanced.
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what u dont get, they are koreans
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On April 10 2012 07:02 KaptenCulpa wrote:
In light of the recent dominance in numbers of Korean players in the top of big international tournament, I thought that we could discuss if and how we should handle this.
By celebrating the better quality of games for us viewers.
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EPT
