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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 09 2012 22:35 GMT
#61
So basically we should punish someone who obviously has a great passion and talent for the game because of where they were born? (which you realize, they have no control over?)
...yeah no
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dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 09 2012 22:35 GMT
#62
what to do?

hmm...

need to clones of stephano and naniwa.
aeRo-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany15 Posts
April 09 2012 22:35 GMT
#63
fcking racist
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 22:37:11
April 09 2012 22:36 GMT
#64
As someone who was at ipl I can tell you the Korean players deserve all their success and more. They work harder, they work together and the simply care more than most. Any efforts to restrict their individual success is a step in the wrong direction....they are a great example or all young competitors to learn from.

If foreigners fall further behind, so be it.....the sanctity of the competition is more important than seeing foreigners do well.
tranmillitary
Profile Joined August 2011
210 Posts
April 09 2012 22:37 GMT
#65
so instead of having nestea, mma, bomber, leenock, mc, MKP, squirtle, alive, jjakji, taeja, ganzi... ect... u want a tourney with just 2 of them??

so this weekend full of crazy and great games, you would rather pay to watch no name players and players worst than incontrol play?? The sport won't grow if the games are crap. I'd pay to watch those koreans play rather than 2 random masters or grandmasters (NA and Europe servers) players.

This was probably one of the greatest tourneys i've ever watched. This was like a whole season of GSL in 3 days. Who else wouldn't want that?? i guess some people just blindly hate.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 22:39:53
April 09 2012 22:37 GMT
#66
There is no way to 'catch up'. The Korean scene has more pros living under better conditions than all of the foreign scene put together. There is no way to compete with that.

The foreign scene will have the very talented (or dedicated) few (Stephano, naniwa, sase, huk) who can compete with the best, and then a bigger contingent that can consistently make upsets (Thorzain, Kas, Titan, ret etc.) Most likely, this tendency will only get stronger. Without a doubt, this will have a negative impact on viewership and interest in tournaments. Unfortunately, the foreign teams hiring every more Korean players and diverting investment away from the foreign scene are only hurrying this development.

The one positive is that it seems as if there may be springing up practice houses around europe and USA. Will it make a difference? Hard to tell.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
April 09 2012 22:37 GMT
#67
I think at the end of the day, I for one want to see the best games possible. I think that the best way to fix this is by having regional qualfiers for pool play to ensure that foreigners get at least group play. I really don't see any reason why foreigners need a handicap. They can compete with the koreans. They just need to play better. It's that simple. The better player should win. IPL 4 had a ton of koreans they had the GSTL Finals, which means 2 korean teams were thrown into the open bracket, these are code A and Code S players. The odds of getting out of that chaos is very hard. I think there were more "pro" koreans at the end of the day than foreigners.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 09 2012 22:38 GMT
#68
What to do? - Fap? :O)
Seriously, what's the big problem? Good SC2 gameplay at events? Tragedy?
And the big problem with sending N top from each important country to each event is travel costs. In US you get mostly US players, which means only a few are really top world players; same for EU. No moneiz to travel everywhere so that's that.
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Juissi
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland209 Posts
April 09 2012 22:38 GMT
#69
Stephano is the only reason i might open sc2 streams nowdays. When Stephano drops out, stream goes down.
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
April 09 2012 22:40 GMT
#70
I think you have the misconception that simply being Korean makes you so much better than foreign players
Korean teams, on average, probably put in a lot more practice time than foreign teams do, and thus, you can see the results that come from having such a work ethic.
So, in short, I think you should address not the nationality of the players, but whether players who don't perform as well are putting in the same amount of practice time and effort.
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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
April 09 2012 22:40 GMT
#71
"what to do?"
simple: enjoy really good games
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HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
April 09 2012 22:40 GMT
#72
On April 10 2012 07:38 Juissi wrote:
Stephano is the only reason i might open sc2 streams nowdays. When Stephano drops out, stream goes down.


I feel sorry for you on multiple levels.
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
April 09 2012 22:40 GMT
#73
Practice. What else can they do?

It would be like banning Usain Bolt from all competition because no one else is fast enough to beat him. Train harder, or quit.
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Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
April 09 2012 22:41 GMT
#74
On April 10 2012 07:38 Juissi wrote:
Stephano is the only reason i might open sc2 streams nowdays. When Stephano drops out, stream goes down.


So you are a fan of Stephano, and not a fan of high level play. Got it.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 09 2012 22:43 GMT
#75
There is nothing to do except hope that foreign pro's start playing more and more and try to compete. Not many pro's play a ton, not like the koreans. Also team houses and coaches help koreans a lot as well, but some foreign teams do have team houses and hopefully it starts helping out soon.
When I think of something else, something will go here
KaptenCulpa
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden29 Posts
April 09 2012 22:43 GMT
#76
On April 10 2012 07:28 jinorazi wrote:
korea actually does this with pro basketball (limited number of foreign players in the team), not sure about other sports.

i'm against it, i'm not sure why any of foreign players would agree to it either.

if the tournament is about being best of the best, why does race matter? world championship is a different matter (fair diversity like worldcup/olympics). not only that, mlg/ipl has had far greater % of foreign players attending...its just that koreans end up on top.

people were rooting for stephano like no other. foreigners need to improve their skill so we get more treats like this, organizers shouldn't have to manipulate regulations to achieve this

it sounds like you're sayingn lets cater to the foreigners so they have a chance if there are fewer koreans. this is retarded.

i may be biased though...i'm personally enjoying this korean domination ^_^



On competition that comes to mind is the olympic games where there are restriction on how many players each country can have in diffrent events. I mean Canada could probably qualify 3 hockey teams if the where allowed to.

I have no problems with koreans winning every tournament. The best players should win. But i don't think turning international events in to Korean nationals is a good idea. Send the Korean top players to international events and kick some ass. I love to have them at international events. But just because 90 of the 100 best players in the world are Korean doesn't mean that all international competitions should have that composition of nationalities.
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
April 09 2012 22:44 GMT
#77
This is a good way to ensure that we will never, ever beat Koreans instead of beating them sometimes.

I think it was Illusion who said that he just played, and didn't use "lost to Koreans" as an excuse. And look how well he's done.
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
April 09 2012 22:44 GMT
#78
I'm sure if it was Europe or the US dominating, you wouldn't ever see threads like this here, which is really depressing. Is no one a fan of the highest level play? That's like saying you refuse to watch Brazilian/European football or Kenyan runners because your country isn't winning, whatever happened to loving the game for the high level of play?

Threads like this are depressing as fuck, just shows how shallow SOME people can be. Notice how i didn't put all.
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
April 09 2012 22:44 GMT
#79
I think a better question is: Are Viewing Figures going to suffer because of Korean domination?

I have certainly seen a lot of people saying that they just auto leave if a tourney only has Koreans in it
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 22:47:22
April 09 2012 22:45 GMT
#80
On April 10 2012 07:08 TerlocSG wrote:
"You guys are too good, we don't want to play with you anymore cause you keep winning all the time."

How does that sound?

Koreans bar amount of foriegn basketball players can play n thier leagues otherwise it would be 100% American and a few European and get no viewers.

Same for Japanese baseball or Sumo which has foriegner maximums.

Just sayin. Business model may dictate other things besides pure merit.
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