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SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
April 09 2012 22:12 GMT
#21
On April 10 2012 07:10 Hrrrrm wrote:
Blame the "pro's" that can't be bothered to practice as hard or as seriously as the Koreans. Can you imagine if Basketball players were asking for Handicaps against Jordan back in the day because he was "too good"? Or Hockey players against Gretzky? They'd get laughed straight out of the sport.

Toughen up and get better or don't bother trying.

It's funny you say that because the "Gretzkys/Jordans" of SC2 haven't even arrived yet... But that's a whole other topic xd
Dispersion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Korea (South)504 Posts
April 09 2012 22:12 GMT
#22
Why are there so many black guys in the NBA? They're such a problem! They need to make it so only two guys can be on the floor at a time.

...seriously dude? They're better than us because they work harder.
Don't worry. Taht's just Halo
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 22:15:04
April 09 2012 22:14 GMT
#23
Blizzard is doing the tournament to address this. Also GSL is very generous in giving foreigner seeds. Banning or hindering koreans would just be silly.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
ig0tfish
Profile Joined July 2009
United States345 Posts
April 09 2012 22:14 GMT
#24
On April 10 2012 07:02 KaptenCulpa wrote:
This has the potential to really stunt the growth of SC2 as an e-sport.


Wasn't it Korea that pioneered the growth of e-sports?
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
April 09 2012 22:15 GMT
#25
What to do? Embrace the spectacular display the Korean guys are providing and wait for foreigners to catch up or fall behind. I don't mind either or.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
April 09 2012 22:16 GMT
#26
Nothing needs to be done with the exception of the occasional nations tournament like WCG.
worldsnap
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada222 Posts
April 09 2012 22:16 GMT
#27
Get better
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
April 09 2012 22:16 GMT
#28
Just look at other sports. Snooker is dominated by british people, skiing is ruled by the Austrians. Starcraft is somewhat comparabale to these sports, because it's also not very mainstream and especially famous in one country, which ofc is South Korea.

As long as the Koreans work harder as everyone else, they will dominate. They also have a more dedicated player base.
The best players win, end of story.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
April 09 2012 22:16 GMT
#29
Who cares? Don't you just want to see the best play? Tournaments with quotas are so boring to watch. Watching guys who are only slightly better than me duke it out only to get smashed by top (usually Korean) players is a complete waste of time.
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
April 09 2012 22:17 GMT
#30
To be fair to the OP, this was in fact a subject which was brought up quite some time ago, in fact when the game was first released(possibly even during the days of beta). If you remember the infamous youtube video from Catz, he in fact brought this very issue up very early on as well - and received some notoriety due to his opinions. Now we've come full circle right back to what Catz was saying right from the start.

Basically Catz was saying, the events needs to be broken down into sub-events which represent just their immediate areas or specific geographic regions. And that for esports to truly grow, you can't always have Koreans dominate all the time, or the scene will grow stagnant and boring. So by imposing a region lock as a barrier, you raise heroes from the specific areas. And with heroes come a fanbase.

He had nothing against big tourneys which invite people from all over the world. That is totally fine. He was simply saying, we need more segregation on a smaller level - before we jump the gun over to the world arena.

--

Watching the last few tourneys, this did occur in the back of my mind as well, even all the while I was cheering for the winners.

The counter-argument to this, naturally is: If I pay any sum of money to watch a tourney, or otherwise dedicate an afternoon to watch SC2, I expect to see the best, not just B teamers. The counter-counter to this is, there is still a market for college basketball games, so would there not be a similar market for SC2? Hard to say, especially if where sponsorship is concerned. They would be concerned with small viewer count if there are no big names to attract fans.
Canada
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
April 09 2012 22:17 GMT
#31
Only bad things about koreans winning everyrhing is that, for example in the recent ipl, I didn't have a connection with either player or really cared who won. But it isn't really a problem.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
April 09 2012 22:17 GMT
#32
Jesus Christ, fucking really? This is sounding like that blog TT1 wrote where he said that it's unfair that foreigners need to work harder in order to get better than the Koreans.
Get crunk
JustARogue
Profile Joined January 2011
United States38 Posts
April 09 2012 22:18 GMT
#33
On April 10 2012 07:09 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Team liquid should implement a "like" function or thumbs up function to peoples responses. That way I can "like" the non ignorant.


Why you have to go and make things so complicated?
... And there were days, good days, when by anyone's judgment they would have to be considered clever.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
April 09 2012 22:19 GMT
#34
On April 10 2012 07:17 KvltMan wrote:
Jesus Christ, fucking really? This is sounding like that blog TT1 wrote where he said that it's unfair that foreigners need to work harder in order to get better than the Koreans.


Jesus christ were my words exactly.
I've taken to reply to enough of these threads that I stopped caring.

One of these threads comes out every week, ends up when the clusterfuck becomes to much and the mods close it.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
April 09 2012 22:20 GMT
#35
So....why is this thread still open?
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
April 09 2012 22:21 GMT
#36
putting your trouble in a locked box doesn't make it go away.
as1
JustARogue
Profile Joined January 2011
United States38 Posts
April 09 2012 22:21 GMT
#37
On April 10 2012 07:20 Pasargadae wrote:
So....why is this thread still open?


Mods are exhausted after IPL4. Let them finish their nap before hounding them.
... And there were days, good days, when by anyone's judgment they would have to be considered clever.
Detwiler
Profile Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
April 09 2012 22:22 GMT
#38
Korean dominance what to do.... ummm stop sucking. Koreans arent like genetically superior. They take the game more serious so they win. End of story.
Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
April 09 2012 22:23 GMT
#39
It reminds me of that issue in America or Canada? Where Caucasian families/students were complaining about asian students studying harder than them and saying it was their fault.

The pros need to play more, it's simple as that.
savior & jaedong
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 09 2012 22:24 GMT
#40
What to do? Get used to it. SC is koreans game. They practice harder, take it more serious, and there are more of them trying to become pros. They are also very nationalistic so practicing with them will see limited results because they will sabotage foreigner who gets good whether sharing strats or just not practicing as much w/ them Korea will come first.

My take is a good country like sweden should get thier players together and work like koreans do only then will they stand a chance.
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