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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:41 Fawkes wrote: So you are a fan of Stephano, and not a fan of high level play. Got it. Yeah I don't think the poster realized just how stupid he just sounded. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:45 tdt wrote: Koreans bar amount of foriegn basketball players can play n thier leagues otherwise it would be 100% American and a few European and get no viewers. Same for Japanese baseball or Sumo. Just sayin. Business model may dictate other things besides pure merit. We're not forced to import dumb rules from other sports tho | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:11 Champloo wrote: The problem was IPL paying trips for so many Koreans and European teams would have to send their players there on their own, which they didn't do, because there were 3 offline events going on at the same time in Europe. Yes, IPL 4 in particular was skewed towards Koreans, because they had the opportunity to get free travel. Not that it would have made the biggest difference in the overall results, but it exaggerated the trend. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:08 TerlocSG wrote: "You guys are too good, we don't want to play with you anymore cause you keep winning all the time." How does that sound? Sums up the post pretty well. I want to see a good competition not a newb stomp show match where Incontrol is somehow the best player in the tournament because we've shut out all the players that have the skill to compete. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Clone Stephano and train his clones into the pros of the next generation. The korean throne shall be taken by a surprise attack of the clone players. At last the foreign lords shall have their revenge. Poorly disguised movie references. Seem like a reasonable option. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
Either the foreigners start to play more or the koreans start playing less, we can´t have a team of Stephanos and HuKs everywhere. | ||
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Juissi
Finland209 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:41 Fawkes wrote: So you are a fan of Stephano, and not a fan of high level play. Got it. Yes it's same with many other sports. It's not like i could care less to watch every single game of basketball/football/ice hockey. When favorite team plays, for sure i watch. | ||
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careohx
263 Posts
most of the ppl watching are gold and below do you think they can all appriciate every subtle high leve lmove the koreans execute? what a joke | ||
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Ryze
Canada234 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:27 Xirroh wrote: The real problem will be for foreign teams and their sponsors when their players can't make it out of LBR4 and get no coverage. How will foreign teams be able to continue financially when they no longer even have a shot at qualifying for group play (as we saw with the IPL open bracket), and will never make it to a finals? The idea that foreigners will just 'train harder' is unlikely. Only a few have even been able to come close to competing with the top Koreans now. If 10-12 years of BW is any sign, foreigners will be unlikely to compete at SC2 with them. The problem for tournaments is that there is less fan connection to Korean players. There certainly is some, but enough to support 200,000 viewers over many years? I'm not sure. ^ This. Everybody is all about "ESPORTS ESPORTS" but esports I do not think will grow outside of Korea if the most important thing which is the gamers themselves cant consider it something that will provide for them to live a comfortable life. Foreign players are trying to work harder and trying to improve to compete with the Koreans but the problem is that because the Koreans have already been doing this for so long they are simply much better at the whole process of creating talent and maintaining that talent. Foreign players really do Invest much of their time into this and barely 1% of them get anything back for that time investment, once people realize this they also realize that with that amount of time they invest they could probably do anything else and make more money and have a lot less stress in their lives and that is the point where they quit or start to practice less... The solution obviously isn't to exclude Koreans from major events like MLG, IPL, NASL I think it would be to have leagues or tournaments where foreigners could compete against each other and not against Koreans, There they could be rewarded for their efforts and more foreign players could make money there would be more motivation among foreign players to compete and prepare for these events and I think that by itself would create a better quality of talent among foreign players that perhaps one day could be on par with the Koreans. At this point I cant even play in a Playhem daily where the top prize is 45 or 60 USD without having to defeat several code A or code S level Koreans to get there. Sure I could always get better and then possibly beat them but my belief is that they have a better overall practice model and practice environment so its not likely that I'm ever going to get better than them. | ||
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Juissi
Finland209 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:47 Talack wrote: Yeah I don't think the poster realized just how stupid he just sounded. excuse me? | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
Oh you have a tournament for foreigners only? Looks like I won't watch, or you don't let koreans come in favor of bad foreigners I won't watch. Its not the koreans fault that foreigners are generally lazy, if all the foreigners had work ethics like Idra, Naniwa, Huk etc etc they would be dominating. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
Nationality means nothing, skill means everything. Who wants to watch sub par players with limited time? | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:11 Champloo wrote: Yep, I too didn't really like this IPL. Way too many Koreans, so I quickly lost and didn't really care who wins it. The problem was IPL paying trips for so many Koreans and European teams would have to send their players there on their own, which they didn't do, because there were 3 offline events going on at the same time in Europe. David Ting already admitted his fault and said for IPL 5 there will be regional qualifiers so the regions in championship bracket will be more balanced. I don't even understand what this means, or how you can actually like watching sub par players playing this game. Do you like minor league baseball more than the majors.? This whole idea of excluding Koreas because of their skill is really pathetic. People tried to hide behind this veil excuses of "fostering national talent" but it's really nothing more than blind nationalism and jealousy. They are better than anyone in the world, and some people just can't handle that it seems. Tell your pros to just get better | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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KrsOne
United States64 Posts
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26236 Posts
I don't feel that the IPL4 experience should be the final nail in the coffin when it comes to foreign aspirations. It wasn't a case of mid-tier Koreans beating on the top foreigners, but the top Korean players doing as expected, with some decent performances from the top-tier foreigners in addition. In addition I've always felt that if foreigners want to properly compete they need to take a leaf out of the book of Huk, Sase, Jinro, Naniwa and those players who, when they committed to go to Korea and train, they actually committed. There is no sense in doing what somebody like Idra did which is pop over for a month, and then leave with little to no discernible improvement in play noticeable. The downside of doing that are these top foreign players are limiting their potential earning power in foreign tournaments as they don't tend to go to quite as many as the EU/NA based ones, I mean Nani didn't even attempt to go to IPL4 as he's set on proving himself in Code S | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
Well you basically said "I'm a Stephano fan, not a sc2 fan"...on a sc2 based website | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
Koreans take the game 10x more srsly than foreigners due (my opinion) they win every tournament not only because they get to practice, analyze and create a social bond between teammates. I feel if every team that can and could afford a team house did this, set up schedules 8-12 hours a day, and hired on coaches and did analysis of games won/lost, I feel not only would they be able to do better against koreans, they might actually win a couple of tournaments. When you see foreigners streaming with skype in the backround with their teammates you never really hear analysis of games, usually they just talk about random shit, and they say regame, you want to play, im gonna go ladder (not specific phrases, but close enough) | ||
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