Wasn't there this exact same thread a week ago? There's nothing to do but wait. BW foreigners are already so entrenched in the pro scene because of their early success due to BW experience. A lot of them are clearly past their prime but their BW status keeps them valuable. Ideally, these players would move towards coaching positions on their respective teams and help younger talent develop. SC2 is the same as BW in the sense that the foreign scene has so little infrastructure that young players who could develop into GREAT players (ie, people like Illusion, Pyre, HeroMarine, but those that aren't teamed) don't get the opportunities or environment. Young people are always the future in sports, but SC2 is stuck in the past already.

TeamBanished

United States301 Posts

April 09 2012 22:24 GMT

#42

What makes Korean players strong is their work ethic and dedication to the game. As soon as we can adopt those same standards, we can compete on the same level.

SCPlato

United States249 Posts

April 09 2012 22:24 GMT

#43

We don't do anything. This isn't a problem that we solve through delegation. Tournaments and competitions don't and can't do anything about it. The only thing that can be done is by the Foreign pros. They know what they need to do, play more/get better. Nothing that the fans say or do will affect them. It just needs to come to a point where a major portion of the pros say enough is enough and get their acts together to match the work ethic and dedication of Koreans. Until that happens. IPL4 will be standard in the community.

RageBot

Israel1530 Posts

April 09 2012 22:25 GMT

#44

On April 10 2012 07:12 Dispersion wrote:
Why are there so many black guys in the NBA? They're such a problem! They need to make it so only two guys can be on the floor at a time.

...seriously dude? They're better than us because they work harder.

The NBA is a bad example, didn't they have recent financial problems?

imre

France9263 Posts

April 09 2012 22:26 GMT

#45

Cheer for the players because of their style not because of their nationality. Don't be as dumb as every mainstream sport.

justinpal

United States3810 Posts

April 09 2012 22:26 GMT

#46

On April 10 2012 07:25 RageBot wrote:

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The NBA is a bad example, didn't they have recent financial problems?

There are a lot of reasons this is a bad example.

Xirroh

Canada146 Posts

April 09 2012 22:27 GMT

#47

The real problem will be for foreign teams and their sponsors when their players can't make it out of LBR4 and get no coverage.

How will foreign teams be able to continue financially when they no longer even have a shot at qualifying for group play (as we saw with the IPL open bracket), and will never make it to a finals?

The idea that foreigners will just 'train harder' is unlikely. Only a few have even been able to come close to competing with the top Koreans now. If 10-12 years of BW is any sign, foreigners will be unlikely to compete at SC2 with them.

The problem for tournaments is that there is less fan connection to Korean players. There certainly is some, but enough to support 200,000 viewers over many years? I'm not sure.

jinorazi

Korea (South)4948 Posts

April 09 2012 22:28 GMT

#48

korea actually does this with pro basketball (limited number of foreign players in the team), not sure about other sports.

i'm against it, i'm not sure why any of foreign players would agree to it either.

if the tournament is about being best of the best, why does race matter? world championship is a different matter (fair diversity like worldcup/olympics). not only that, mlg/ipl has had far greater % of foreign players attending...its just that koreans end up on top.

people were rooting for stephano like no other. foreigners need to improve their skill so we get more treats like this, organizers shouldn't have to manipulate regulations to achieve this

it sounds like you're sayingn lets cater to the foreigners so they have a chance if there are fewer koreans. this is retarded.

i may be biased though...i'm personally enjoying this korean domination ^_^

Klonere

Ireland4123 Posts

April 09 2012 22:29 GMT

#49

Man the deja vu is stunning.

Hopefully if this element of BW is repeating itself, all the other elements in BW that are missing from SC2 can also return.

Battleaxe

United States843 Posts

April 09 2012 22:29 GMT

#50

Your question: What to do?

My answer: Sit back and enjoy the best Starcraft 2 you possibly can.

MethodSC

United States928 Posts

April 09 2012 22:29 GMT

#51

What do to? Get better. Is that hard to understand?

the_business_og

United States167 Posts

April 09 2012 22:30 GMT

#52

we shouldnt pander to foreigners incompetence....

HorsemasterK

United States606 Posts

April 09 2012 22:32 GMT

#53

On April 10 2012 07:30 the_business_og wrote:
we shouldnt pander to foreigners incompetence....

nor should we cater to people who are only rooting for a player because of their skin color. /agreed

TanKLoveR

Venezuela838 Posts

April 09 2012 22:33 GMT

#54

Obviously the answer here is to give advantages to the lazy foreigners who dont work as hard as the Koreans, lets just have them only bring a limited amount of them here and make them play with one hand tied. That sounds like a fair advantage

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If you people watch SC2 to see some guy from your country win you should just leave now, Koreans will always dominate the scene. Your favourite player just doesnt try as hard.

daylu

United States52 Posts

April 09 2012 22:34 GMT

#55

The foreign scene is too obsessed with drama as opposed to talent. There might be some real dedicated players in NA and EU that get overlooked because of that. Maybe the foreign scene needs to die in order for some actual talent to resurrect from its ashes.

StavrosHL

Greece128 Posts

April 09 2012 22:34 GMT

#56

on another aspect ..if u limit or ban korean participations stream views will fall below the half. AkA less money less sponsors.

D_K_night

Canada615 Posts

April 09 2012 22:34 GMT

#57

On April 10 2012 07:11 Champloo wrote:
Yep, I too didn't really like this IPL. Way too many Koreans, so I quickly lost and didn't really care who wins it. The problem was IPL paying trips for so many Koreans and European teams would have to send their players there on their own, which they didn't do, because there were 3 offline events going on at the same time in Europe.

David Ting already admitted his fault and said for IPL 5 there will be regional qualifiers so the regions in championship bracket will be more balanced.

The raw performance of the players is something that David Ting cannot control.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_4

Do a Ctrl-F and search for 17th-20th

Open that and you see some of the varied winners who took home $1000 each. Then do a Search for "Notable open bracket sign-ups"

In that extensive list there - I absolutely concede there there's just a ton of Koreans in that list, yes. But you can still see an extremely varied lineup of just tons of different players from all over the world.

To the IPL's credit, I'm seeing even names in that list that I've never heard of before. They are definitely giving people a chance. Fan favorites like QXC, Sheth, Dimaga, Jinro(!)...all those great names are all there.

If I understand correctly, these people unfortunately didn't make it through the Open Brackets but...again without some creative shuffling of the matches to absolutely guarantee more foreigner faces vs Korean ones...tough to say. For example, pitting the Koreans vs each other to eliminate the count down, whilst trying to "preserve" the foreigners may or may not be viewed as the utmost fairest way to run the tourney, but these are just my opinions.

ROOTheognis

United States4482 Posts

April 09 2012 22:35 GMT

#58

It's easier to "make it" in the foreigner scene just being a good personality and streaming. Why practice and be actually good at the game when it's 99999x harder and never a sure thing you will succeed?

RmoteCntrld

United States596 Posts

April 09 2012 22:35 GMT

#59

What to do? Go and read one of the other hundred threads on this topic.

ancientmariner

116 Posts

April 09 2012 22:35 GMT

#60

Starcraft is a game of (mostly) skill, so the best players should win. Seeding bad players into tournaments would make for worse games and you would probably still not enjoy it, since the seeded players would get crushed in the most onesided ways possible.

As long as there are qualifiers and open brackets the system will be fine and the players deserving of group play will get there.

I also think that Starcraft can only be really enjoyed when you understand the basics of the game and from that point on I think good play or personality of a player (Koreans aren't robots either) can be a good reason to cheer for a player. Nationality is not so much an issue, especially since this is the internet which is rather international anyways.