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I just did a custom map search on BattleNet and found two of my maps copied and published with a MCP tag. Gas Camber was even published by two different users. Both credited me as author, but I released it as "locked" and haven´t emailed it to anyone (except WniO for NA upload).
AFAIK it´s because of the MapCraft tool for Mac users and it´s probably because some Mac users want to play my map, which is great, but it has to be someone who browsed this forum, saw my thread, MapCrafted the map file and published it.
PARADOXX & CrEaToR, I´m happy that you like my map and help me distribute it for Mac users, but I do believe the ettiquette says that you ask permission first 
Also published is maps by Melt, Dezi, ExTraxx...
If any of you have more info on this, please enlighten me.
/Edit: PARADOXX came out and explained everything!
+ Show Spoiler +He´s searches for good melee maps, re-publishes them with an MCP tag, and promotes them on (I guess German) forums. He has 10 slots and replaces maps as he finds better ones. He also publishes them unedited and credits the original author (well, not quite but he will from here on out). I totally forgive him and fully endorse his effort, as he helps newbs find good custom maps to play. + Show Spoiler +Also, I´m kinda stoked peoplez digz me maps 
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dezi
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Wow that's terrible. I think this is one of the flaws of the current map system that Blizzard will need to address at some point. Some people have also published maps with iCCup tags but for someone to straight up steal your map and publish it is wrong. This all could just be a misunderstanding like you said and I'm glad you're not jumping to conclusions. Hopefully we can get in contact with these people and sort this out.
It looks like this is PARADOXX's account:
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/184677/PARADOXX/maps/
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/184677/PARADOXX
If you look at his recently played maps he's also got some maps published under the [XMM] tag.
Strangely looking at his recently played games he's actually played a game on the original gas chamber. The MCP tags are present in some of his recently played games.
Can you elaborate on how MapCraft works?
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On January 03 2011 20:15 dezi wrote:
Or do you mean someone also copied my maps? WTF!
Yes, they copied your map too!
On January 03 2011 21:31 G_Wen wrote:
Can you elaborate on how MapCraft works?
No, I don´t really know, except what it says on sc2mapster.com. Apparently it´s a tool for Mac users who don´t have access to the Galaxy Editor, so that they can download and play custom maps vs. AI.
I´ve played my own maps with Mac users without any problems, so I don´t know why this tool is needed at all.
PARADOXX and CrEaToR must be users/lurkers on this forum though, and I kinda created this thread to give them a chance to explain themselves, before I go medieval on their asses.
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mapcraft is the answer to the community's and blizz's general disdain for mac
it's not evil per say
furthermore i think you should be aware that mac users cannot lock their maps
(nor pc users i suppose (although added soft could be implemented in view that pcs are THE gaming platform)) just cause you can always pop the hood to see what's underneath with the "ole granny"
I do think I came across several thread/webposting stuff mentioning it : no map is "safe" from theft if published (pretty sure blizz said clearly it wasn't their concern to do it on any other maps than the "ladder"
this is just the beginning of the nonsense, it will serve blizz well in misdirecting the community towards side issues we have with blizz
edit: typos
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On January 03 2011 22:18 baskerville wrote:
furthermore i think you should be aware that mac users cannot lock their maps
(nor pc users i suppose (although added soft could be implemented in view that pcs are THE gaming platform)) just cause you can always pop the hood to see what's underneath with the "ole granny"
I haven't seen anything which would indicate that locking is unavailable on mac, when publishing the map you can choose between locked and unlocked.
Or do you mean that it doesn't work on mac specifically, or that it just plain does not work?
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Even one of my map i didn't publish has been edited (in a horrible way :'( ) and there are no credits for me, funny stuff :p
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
Woah, they took my Island in the sun (you can check my threads) and reuploaded it as winter version Oo
As far as i know he's active in the same german board (instarcraft) and also a mod there. Gonna PN him asap.
+ Show Spoiler [Pic] +
//edit
Even the description is wrong. This map is only made by me (like all my maps) ...
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@bout locking:
no map "lock" will resist serious people trying to crack it, mapcraf should be considered the visible tip of the iceberg now
unless you host your map and it is never accessible (and even then I'm sure not, it would need testing and I wouldn't care to find out), you give access to the "total map" even if it's locked, some people just need incentive
pretty sure sc2mapster has all the "input codes" shite done already on how to do it, not that that's a good thing (the good is only in the fact that the information is public for those who care to know + Show Spoiler +all hail to the great sc2mapster
so no, locking your map will deter most, but it will be easy to unlock for someone "into it", it's just a coding matter
incentive is what you get for doing nice maps
"I do believe the ettiquette says that you ask permission first"
it's etiquette and i 300% agree
apparently no one has caught up to the fact that no lan means no one to protect said maps (with outside editor implementing ; in the map itself, or with other "this server is guarantied to have a safe environment" type of work )
the maps need to be blizzed approved and none of said protection implementing woud pass (just as no maphack would, + Show Spoiler +(lol ... I wonder how much time blizz'll cringe to the idea that they're impenetrable system is better than player's awareness and mobilization to counter cheats or thieves)
So thanks for posting your complaint, that's what kills these practices
if you get more medieval wishes, count me in.. in my country we don't punish, we ridicule and broadcast cheats,
i do believe they should at least be made to start over after apoligy, if this is indeed a lack of a proper education and not an sc2mapmaker theft, but if it's not i'll provide feathers and oil
i am not entirely sure any of this should comes as a surprise
edit: @ Superouman: not even published?
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Well, I was expecting that it would take longer before 3rd party editors were required, tbh. Its time for sc2mdraft I guess. Or at least the locking system that had.
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maybe they were planning a map surprise party?
that be a good reason for not telling you
on the flip side :
+ Show Spoiler +ever heard of the story of the guy that stole a phone and then answers it + Show Spoiler +to greet the cops? stealing maps seems to be engineered in the same ilk how can anyone think they could host a stolen map? + Show Spoiler +if it becomes popular, the author is bound to find out you moron!
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@ hostilepig (post underneath): + Show Spoiler +blizz does not expect any such thing, they've repeatedly said it (between the lines), if they ever get to it it'll be because the scene has dwindle before lov's retail has died off too quickly for their taste
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misdirected @nswer redirected to the proper poster
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Wow, how does blizzard expect to implement a marketplace system where users sell they're maps without a safe way to publish??
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Iceland800 Posts
On January 03 2011 23:36 baskerville wrote:maybe they were planning a map surprise party? that be a good reason for not telling you on the flip side : + Show Spoiler +ever heard of the story of the guy that stole a phone and then answers it + Show Spoiler +to greet the cops? stealing maps seems to be engineered in the same ilk how can anyone think they could host a stolen map? + Show Spoiler +if it become popular, the author is bound to find out you moron!
at worst it's a question of who the actual author is, doubt that'll be an issue too often though.
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The same thing happened to me when I posted my map Axis of Industry over at Nibbits. Some dude reposted it as "MCP Axis of Industry" with no changes or credit to me. I also saw MCP shamelessly steal Konicki's Orbital Divide there. I complained loudly and the mods eventually pulled the map. The thing is, you have to upload unlocked maps to Nibbits so I guess I had it coming. I've decided not to distribute unlocked maps anymore.
Anyway, sounds like the same person is doing the same thing but with published maps. If you're waiting for this person to respond with a legit explanation, I'd bet against it.
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dimfish, you're decent at programming it seems - how difficult would it be to ceate a 3rd party map locking system?
If you could, Blizzard might be okay with it.
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wait whats going on? locked means nothing or something?
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I had an issue with most of my earlier maps being uploaded, at first without any credit to me but later with credit to me and the uploader as co creaters. Again it was PARADOXX and CrEaToR. Fair enough those maps I uploaded to sites (like Nibbits) where they can be downloaded so i have to expect that to happen, also the more publicity the better i suppose.
But I do have a question, is it bad ettiquete for someone to change some textures (like just the spawn area) or changing all the mins to gold and then upload it saying "made by X and Archivian"?
I now only upload to one site which I link to my threads here for players in other regions to give a try. The problem is since doing that my maps get little or no play where as at least one of them used to be somewhere on the front page of the maps search (most of the time).
It could simply be that my maps arent good enough, but barring that (sparing my ego) has anyone got any suggestions?
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On January 04 2011 02:05 dimfish wrote:
The same thing happened to me when I posted my map Axis of Industry over at Nibbits. Some dude reposted it as "MCP Axis of Industry" with no changes or credit to me. I also saw MCP shamelessly steal Konicki's Orbital Divide there. I complained loudly and the mods eventually pulled the map. The thing is, you have to upload unlocked maps to Nibbits so I guess I had it coming. I've decided not to distribute unlocked maps anymore.
Anyway, sounds like the same person is doing the same thing but with published maps. If you're waiting for this person to respond with a legit explanation, I'd bet against it.
The same thing happened to me with Fighting Spirit back when in the beta. I haven't distributed any map files since.
The fact that anyone can do this is beyond aggravating. Where is Blizzard in all of this?
...I guess it's time to take this to the bnet forums...
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Dar god... not the BNet Forums!
You'll never return alive!
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