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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
On January 04 2011 04:49 iGrok wrote: Dar god... not the BNet Forums! You'll never return alive! I'll return a monster of balance QQ and I'll have something to say about everything. EVERYTHING. I'll link here once I've wrote (or found) an OP | ||
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Meltage
Germany613 Posts
I got my map "stolen" too - Ashen Sands. They changed the lighting  Since I'm credited in the decription I'm not THAT angry but I still think it's wrong - I'm one part flattered and one part humilated. The fault lies within blizzard 's locking system more than anything, though. I'd like to know how the PARA and Creator-guys would defend it, though and if they'd listen to reason.You guys who PM:ed they guy on the german forum, any repsone? Any response in Bnet forum, and url to the thread, please? | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1764411000#1 If anyone on EU is interested in copying this over to the EU forums it'd be much appreciated. I hope we can resolve this before it gets out of hand. | ||
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PARADOXX
Germany8 Posts
Ich würde ja alle fragen , es tut mir auch leid es nicht getan zu haben aber dieses ganze Map Klau Thema ist ein wiederspruch,hätten wir das alte bnet system würde keiner was sagen den die maps würden dann alle bekommen und verändern oder sonst was machen können.ich verstehe die aufregung nicht,wir sorgen dafür das die maps auch öffentlich gespielt werden ,allso fördern wir diese,auserdem steht dort immer der original author, ich habe mich oft geärgert wenn ich gute maps im bnet gefunden habe und sie nicht mehr spielen konnte weil der autor sie von seinem acc gelöscht hat,allso habe ich einen weg gesucht und gefunden diese notfalls selbst zu hosten. Könnte es auch anders machen ,mapnamen umbenennen und über einen freund hosten ,dann erspart man sich die diskusion Aber keine der maps war vorher gespielt worden ,zumindest öffentlich,jetzt schon wenn ich neu bei sc2 wäre woher soll ich wissen wie die guten maps heisen damit ich sie finden kann,es gibt viele gute maps aber fast NIE in der liste,warum? ( iCCup Ausgenommen ) wir wollten einfach das unter MCP 2k11 nun das suchen nach guten melee maps ein ende hat,allso unter mcp featured melee maps von verschiedenen autoren veröffentlichen. Wichtig ,wer hat schon lusten dauernt im suchfilter verschieden namen einzugeben darum MCP vor mapnamen gibt man MCP ein findet man alle SOFORT AND 90% of ALL iCCup maps are on nibbits ? Why prodiG? you say the iCCup maps are not on a Map Side ??!!! http://sc2.nibbits.com/maps/browse/?q=iccup&ms=&ts=&pmi=&pma=&tmi=&tma=&dxmi=&dxma=&dymi=&dyma=&cols=rank&cols=rating&cols=downloads&cols=date | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
So much for security  | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Here's the interet vers: I would ask all also I regret not to have done it but this whole map Klau theme is a wiederspruch we had the old bnet system would none what say that maps would all get and change or else what do can. I do not understand the excitement, we ensure that the maps publicly played be allso we promote, admired is there is always the original author; I have annoyed me often when I found good maps in the bnet and she could no longer play because the author acc has deleted from his, allso I have one away searched and found them if necessary even to host. Might make it different mapnamen rename and friend on a host, then it saves the diskusion But none of the maps had previously been played at least publicly, already If I were new to vc026 how can I know how good maps heisen so that I can find them there are many good maps but almost never in the list, why? (iCCup except) We wanted to simply MCP 2 k 11 now that search for good melee maps an end who allso publish using mcp featured melee maps from various authors. Important, who has already lusten dauernt in the suchfilter different type name that is why is there an MCP before mapnamen MCP can be found all immediately | ||
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PARADOXX
Germany8 Posts
On January 04 2011 05:46 prodiG wrote: I am actually floored right now. Not a single one of these maps was submitted to nibbits by me or anyone on my mapmaking team as far as I know. I have no affiliation with masterwerks, nor do I know how he got a hold of the maps (maybe with mapcraft?) So much for security No Mapcraft tool , lol , Everyone becommes the maps when downloaded from bnet (also blocked Maps).I will not say how to make this maps in the editor,but everyone can make it , the blocked option in the editor is a joke MCP was intended to allow ,that all people can quickly find good melee maps on bnet from various authors | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
On January 04 2011 05:47 iGrok wrote: erm... can someone who speaks deutsch (see I know a bit :p) transalte? Here's the interet vers: Just to make it clear, I'm not targeting you specifically PARADOXX. The fact that people can do this is an insanely huge security flaw in the Bnet system. | ||
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baskerville
541 Posts
I relate to this quote. + Show Spoiler + Someone stealing your idea or your design, hours of labor, this in any line of work, ...the feeling you get is comparable to entering your house after it's been burglarized... not like rape (thank god) but on the same planet... One should make a rockus over this on bnet However, chill ... the issue is not life threatening (your map's life is not threatened)...it's just a matter of taking the time to regularly check the maps out there ... blizz will probably ban the user(s) but wont do anything else than scratch said maps.. Perhaps instigating a mass scratch would prove to be effective as a damocles sword effect for players, but I doubt it'd make the blizz do anything further. Since no coding would prevent this, the solution is easy (and hard): just check and report (make a chain, I'll take sundays) This is still a community no? This does not have to be considered an aggressive move on it's part, to just "give proper due" to who's earned it... and telling the players who did what and where is a vital part of it. Punishing or ridiculing thieves is useless to counter productive (in order for it to work, the games hosted by thief just needs to be exempt from players (end of story) Especially advertise the situation to players.. "if you recognize a map improperly signed REPORT IT IN THIS FORUM" I suppose loads of volunteers will jump on it (checking theft reports) Otherwise there is always discreet implementing on your map: + Show Spoiler + display a message every 15 minutes ingame (or whatever, on defeat and victory events (or even quit event)) so that players are aware (screeners for movies have been doing this from the start) this is discreet for the sake of the thief not suppressing it when he "map's your map" + Show Spoiler + (and that's where it feels borderline to being sexually harassed + Show Spoiler + (ask women they'd explain it better than me, they've been fighting it for millenniums) as of last time I checked a good " this map is "blablabla ; if it was not advertised as such please report it at blablabla" is sufficient, since it takes one player to feel concerned for it to work! | ||
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PARADOXX
Germany8 Posts
which maps are not to be further promoted ? map authors please reply | ||
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MAPPoVe
86 Posts
So no problem here as long as the authors get credited. The fact that it is so easy to "steal" maps is disappointing though... | ||
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PARADOXX
Germany8 Posts
On January 04 2011 06:19 MAPPoVe wrote: Well all he is trying to do is give the players an opportunity to search for MCP and find good melee maps (much like typing ICCup and finding good, but also fake maps sometimes^^), which may have been deleted by the original author or something, which annoyes him. that's the point from mcp,and since each has only 10 slots map disappear quickly some maps forever | ||
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G_Wen
Canada525 Posts
On January 04 2011 05:37 PARADOXX wrote: so my english not so good ,here the answers of all your questions ... AND 90% of ALL iCCup maps are on nibbits ? Why ? I will keep my English simple. Hi PARADOXX thanks for your reply, the translation I have is not very good. Hopefully some one can help with that. The points you raise about B.net (both the old and new) are valid. There is very little anyone can do to stop this. However the community can discourage this type of behavior. I understand that you want to draw attention to the maps that you think are good by publishing them under a MCP tag but with the current popularity system it only hides the original further down the list. This however lets you find the maps you want to play extremely easily. As for protection in case the mapper is banned or the original map file is deleted I'm OK with. These are tough issues and can't just be solved though the addition of a tagging system. With the addition of chat channels some of these problems can be alleviated. But we as a community need to be honest and give credit to the mappers. http://sc2.nibbits.com/maps/project/75922/mcp-orbital-divide For example this map was originally created by Konichi not TeToNN. I also highly doubt that either ExTraxx or TeToNN has permission to modify or upload the maps. Acts such as this provide no benefit for anyone as they leech the original map's popularity and don't credit the mapper. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
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G_Wen
Canada525 Posts
On January 04 2011 06:28 MasterOfChaos wrote: Trying to prevent downloading and modification of a map is futile. The only thing blizzard can do is prevent upload of maps too similar to an already existing one. But of course that would add one more reason to switch to an unofficial server... Sadly I this is the case. No matter how strong you make your protection someone's going to get around it and then everyone's going to find a way around it. Preventing an upload of maps that are too similar could provide for some really troll circumstances and also hinder competition. It's just annoying when people take a map and publish it under their own name while giving no credit to the original creator. | ||
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PARADOXX
Germany8 Posts
is it worth the fuss ? and why are so many good maps do not get anywhere else the really good ones are never on nibbits or mapster !!! thats bad so i go off and answers tommorrow | ||
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MAPPoVe
86 Posts
Trying to prevent downloading and modification of a map is futile. Indeed. People will realize that and with the addition of chat channels and forums like this you can check out really easily what the original version or most up to date version of a map is. And also you as an author are credited here in this forum, bnet as it is is just not the place for that atm. | ||
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G_Wen
Canada525 Posts
On January 04 2011 06:36 PARADOXX wrote: how many games run on the other melee maps? is it worth the fuss ? and why are so many good maps do not get anywhere else the really good ones are never on nibbits or mapster !!! thats bad so i go off and answers tommorrow The good ones are not of nibbits because most mappers don't trust nibbits because of stuff like this: http://sc2.nibbits.com/maps/project/76193/iccup-grand-line Created by str18-02 That said most of the maps published there do give credit to the original creators of the maps which is great. | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
I guess the game has changed now. In that case, if you are willing to keep the maps a) up to date and b) unedited then I have no problems. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
With the popularity system, having your map twice will halve its popularity, making it less likely to be played :/ | ||
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