Pro-China, Anti-Japan Protests - Page 98

On September 23 2012 12:19 robjapan wrote:


Someone needs to read his history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women#Apologies_and_compensation

On September 22 2012 22:02 robjapan wrote:


So you expect the Japanese to change the way they think, behave and the core beliefs they have about life, death and spirituality because people from outside of Japan are too ignorant or lazy to read?

They have, many, many, many many many times and books aren't being re-written at all, the truth of the matter is that the acts of 100 years ago are fast becoming "just another war" in many countries, for example... imagine if children at schools were forced to study IN DEPTH the facts, figures of every battle, incident and war since the beginning of written history...
Yeh... the truth is, there are other things that are more fun/interesting for children to learn, rather than WW2 until the end of time.
I wonder what studying the Tiananmen square massacre, Chairman Mao, TIbet, Taiwan etc etc is like in China, can anyone say, hand on heart that the history books are all 100% honest and accurate regarding these subjects?

Pot. Kettle. Black. Are three words that come to mind when Chinese people complain about Japanese text books.

The father is still guilty but he is dead, he did an awful thing and if his family wants to put his body on a grave than that is there choice, as I said... the soul is not responsible for the actions of the body, the soul is cleansed of all wrong at the moment of death or shortly after that.

“The Imperialist Nation Is China”: What Japanese Internet Users Think About the Diaoyu Protests

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One Channel 2 discussion thread showed a map of a “unified” China that includes Japan, painted red. “Today's China is the world's most aggressive country,” responded one commenter. Another said, “No matter how you look at it, the imperialist nation is China.” Yet another, “ ‘Down with Japan’s imperialism!’—I don't want to hear that from some guys who have anachronistic territorial expansion ambitions.” In a separate discussion, a commenter wrote, “the next World War will be China vs. the world.” There were also calls for Japan to develop a stronger military of its own and not be so reliant on the U.S.-Japan security alliance. “As America’s power has gotten weaker, Japan must protect its own country.”

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Japanese commenters also raised the same question being asked all over the world: Are these protests even about Japan? People suggested the Chinese anger might be more related to domestic grievances. In response to attacks on Japanese and other foreign companies, one post said, “the gap between rich and poor in China is terrible, so the poor hate all the foreign companies because they're making money.”

The Japanese don't see China as a victim. China’s nationalism, as belligerent as it may appear, is rooted in a sense of suffering from a “century of humiliation” that goes back to the First Opium War and the British acquisition of Hong Kong in 1842. What some of the more rabid Chinese don’t appreciate, however, is that the rest of the world—especially Japan—does not see China as the underdog.

The sad thing is, many Chinese truly believe they were wronged by Japan. They cite not only Japan’s World War II-era behavior, but its failure to acknowledge the depth of suffering inflicted on the Chinese. After these protests, this legitimate grievance will be even less likely to be heard by Japan.

On September 23 2012 12:19 robjapan wrote:


Someone needs to read his history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women#Apologies_and_compensation

In March 2007, in response to a United States Congress resolution by Mike Honda, Abe denied any government coercion in the recruitment of comfort women during World War II,[36] in line with a statement made almost ten years prior regarding the same issue, in which Abe voiced his opposition about the inclusion of the subject of military prostitution in several school textbooks and then denied any coercion in the "narrow" sense of the word, environmental factors notwithstanding.[37]

On September 23 2012 12:46 Taku wrote:

You should read your own link. If you did you'd follow a link and find this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinzō_Abe#View_on_history



And he's not some random netizen, or right-wing nutjob off the street. He was the prime minister. I mean come on, really?

On September 23 2012 12:11 robjapan wrote:


1. I'm not Japanese.

2. Actual Japanese people no.. CHILDREN are literally crying in class as they learn about the events of WW2, I've seen a whole room of children in tears with my own eyes, how's that for genuine empathy?

3. Why is it only Japanese need to show that empathy? I'm British and nobody expects us to feel sorry for any wrong doings of the British Empire.

4. How about Americans feeling sorry for what happened to to the native Americans? too long ago? oh.... well I guess in 100 years it's ok to not give a shit?

On September 23 2012 12:59 robjapan wrote:
Yeh and he was a total douchebag idiot prime minister too, for all of... 11 months? before he was removed for "health reasons" actual reason "omg this guy is a freaking tool"

Someone said about my example being bullshit, dude what the fuck do you want me to do, video some kids crying?

They were studying about JAPANESE WAR CRIMES, nothing to do with Japanese people dying, they were crying because of the bad shit Japanese people did.

I'm only defensive when people say things that aren't true. Come here, come talk to Japanese people you will see the truth.
Some piece of shit politician who did a great job all the way to getting the job and then said some stupid shit and got removed quickly doesn't really count for "Japanese opinion"

Did you read that link? How many more times do you want them to apologize?

On September 23 2012 12:43 Scarecrow wrote:

As already said 3 & 4 are false equivalencies. 2 is bullshit, I'll bet you, if anything, they're crying over Japanese tragedies/losses in the war. As for 1 I'm just shocked you're not Japanese and still think they've recognised the atrocities and genuinely apologised for them.

On September 23 2012 12:40 Newbistic wrote:


You seem really defensive about Japanese culture in the extreme.

Yes, China has a long history of oppressing its own people. I fully admit to it. But that doesn't do anything to justify Japan's past oppression of other cultures. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not going to defend China's oppressive government, and you shouldn't defend Japan's diplomatic relations with nations that it once oppressed.

Japanese views towards death and forgiveness are unusual compared to that of many cultures, especially the cultures of nations who they have treated badly in the past. If I come from a culture where it's perfectly acceptable for me to stab people from other cultures, as long as I kill myself after the stabbings, would it be wrong for people of other cultures to be angry if I stabbed many people than killed myself? Should they simply read up on the culture of my people and go "Okay, it's fine in your culture so we should seek to understand"?

Culture or not, we are all human beings. Even if you are Japanese you can understand that your actions are causing anger among other nations. The fact that your government may not give a shit about causing other people anger doesn't mean that the anger is unjustified.

P.S. I'm not arguing this as a Chinese person, since I don't identify as strongly with my nationality as most other Chinese people. More as an observer reading the arguments of both sides.

On September 23 2012 13:15 farvacola wrote:

Are you really attempting to use the history of Western Colonialism as a relative justification for the refusal on the part of Japanese society at large to turn their backs on war criminals and come to explicit terms with their own history? Every nation ought to make sure it does its best to be appropriately self-critical, or at least give off the illusion.

On September 23 2012 13:07 -Zoda- wrote:


After having spent thousands of years on their islands without invading anyone while Christians were all over the place, I think they can feel less guilty overall.

On September 23 2012 13:48 robjapan wrote:


It would have to change its national constitution first.

and I quote -

"Renunciation of war: Under Article 9 of the constitution the "Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes". To this end the article provides that "land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained"."

If you really read the history regarding the post ww2 era, you will know that it was the Americans themselves who encouraged the right wing into power to prevent communism being spread in Japan.
The effects of that move can still be felt today, but in general Japanese people become more liberal every year.