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So much racism in this thread that it's just annoying. Of course there are 2 sides to every store but the real issue is about the islands, not about hurt feelings over the last century. I wish there were more serious discussion of Chinese espionage in Japan or Japanese espionage in China. Stuff like flame virus or computers hacking into government mainframes or James bond type stuff: Pro-China, Anti-Japan Protests - Page 99
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kokomojowelieole
United States99 Posts
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robjapan
Japan104 Posts
I can see the potential for it to happen in say 100 years and it is worrying to know your neighbour is building up a HUGE army... it has to be asked... why is China building such a big army... for what purpose does China require an army in a time of peace? I agree history "can" repeat itself and it will if we let racist groups take control of our countries, I liked your post right up until the last bit, again Japan does NOT see itself as a victim, it is widely agreed within Japanese people that they were the aggressors. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On September 23 2012 14:05 robjapan wrote: well, in general Japanese people despise Ishihara and while he has "some" support, there is far far FAR greater support for pacifism and peace. I can see the potential for it to happen in say 100 years and it is worrying to know your neighbour is building up a HUGE army... it has to be asked... why is China building such a big army... for what purpose does China require an army in a time of peace? I agree history "can" repeat itself and it will if we let racist groups take control of our countries, I liked your post right up until the last bit, again Japan does NOT see itself as a victim, it is widely agreed within Japanese people that they were the aggressors. It's also widely agreed that Japan's crimes are overblown because they were the losers of the war, while the crimes of the CCP and the US doesn't get talked about enough in these respective countries. China builds an army because it is surrounded by powerful and unfriendly countries as well as because its military technology severely lacked/continues to lack behind Taiwan/Japan/US, so it feels insecure I guess. Also, the soldier to civilian ratio in China is actually very low considering how big the population is. Even though it does possess the biggest army in numbers (and that number has went down considerably since Deng's times), it's far from a militaristic country. Plus, AFAIK the PLA seems to have a greater interest in making money than making war.  | ||
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robjapan
Japan104 Posts
All the vast majority of people in the world want is peace, it's a real shame that we have such ugliness among us, but that is where we need to be strong and to tell those people NO, violence and hatred are wrong. I've been here almost 10 years now, and all I've seen is friendly, kind, peace loving people. No to hate, No to violence and a BIG YES to peace and friendship. This is what I and the vast majority of Japanese people believe. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On September 23 2012 14:05 robjapan wrote: well, in general Japanese people despise Ishihara and while he has "some" support, there is far far FAR greater support for pacifism and peace. I can see the potential for it to happen in say 100 years and it is worrying to know your neighbour is building up a HUGE army... it has to be asked... why is China building such a big army... for what purpose does China require an army in a time of peace? I agree history "can" repeat itself and it will if we let racist groups take control of our countries, I liked your post right up until the last bit, again Japan does NOT see itself as a victim, it is widely agreed within Japanese people that they were the aggressors. China is just mirroring the political strategies of any super power >_> Find a single super power in history who haven't maintained the largest armies in the world at the period of their dominance even if it was peace time. Even Neatherlands who largely founded their fortune through trade and capitalist ventures and not colonial conquest and maintains neutrality through most political struggles had the largest naval force by percentile in history during their dominance when they didn't go to war with anyone. It also doesn't help when America and its allies like to park military forces just outside the brink of China's border space. | ||
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robjapan
Japan104 Posts
I just hope we never see another war ever again. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On September 23 2012 14:26 robjapan wrote: Long may it continue!! All the vast majority of people in the world want is peace, it's a real shame that we have such ugliness among us, but that is where we need to be strong and to tell those people NO, violence and hatred are wrong. I've been here almost 10 years now, and all I've seen is friendly, kind, peace loving people. No to hate, No to violence and a BIG YES to peace and friendship. This is what I and the vast majority of Japanese people believe. I hope you're right, and that it stays that way (which would not be easy considering the constant provocations). May China, Korea, Japan and the SEA countries move towards peace and understanding. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On September 23 2012 14:02 kokomojowelieole wrote: So much racism in this thread that it's just annoying. Of course there are 2 sides to every store but the real issue is about the islands, not about hurt feelings over the last century. I wish there were more serious discussion of Chinese espionage in Japan or Japanese espionage in China. Stuff like flame virus or computers hacking into government mainframes or James bond type stuff: You do realize that the vast majority of the pro Japan / anti China sentiment in Asia originates from historical context right? Both sides hold grievances and act upon them wrongfully. The real issue in the minds of the civilians is one on principle, only the extreme minority (on both sides) would actually benefit from holding the islands. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Orek
1665 Posts
Japan-ROK(Republic of Korea) Joint History Research (2002-2005) (2007-2010) need to continue so that what really happened can be studied acadmically. It took more than 50 years before these finally started. Discrepancy of views is still huge, but it's so much better than each side never listening to another side's evidence/perspective. I would kindly ask Japanese side to stop emphasizing too much details of what happend during the war. I would also kindly ask Chinese/Korean side to stop acting like any counterargument = revision of history by Japan. | ||
CountChocula
Canada2068 Posts
On September 23 2012 15:13 Shady Sands wrote: Updated with OP with my own thoughts on the protests and fate of the English teacher. Just read the latest update to OP. Seems a fair analysis of the geopolitics at work. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
I just want to mention, as an American living in China right now, just how mind-boggling the anti-Japanese sentiments are. There have always been an anti-Japan sentiment among China's populace, most certainly. Many Chinese have at least one living relative that went through first hand the atrocities of WW2, and the media/education has certainly driven the message further through for Chinese since a very early age. But the recessive anger that has since been shown during this issue is like someone who has finally released his pent up rage built over the years. I can say it's definitely not some sort of state wide propaganda at work here. But rather innate rage that finally has place to channel. And as someone who has read through the happenings of Japanese occupation in China, as well as the period in early 20th century during the Opium Wars, I can certainly understand the rage. Anyway, my 2 cents. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On September 23 2012 12:45 RavenLoud wrote: Source Thanks to the retards rioters and Ishihara for taking the world a few steps backwards I guess? Japan never cared. Saying that they did before is disingenuous. The rioters had a negative effect on Japan - obviously - but nothing was going to change their mind to begin with. The failure of Japan to properly mend its relations with other East Asian countries after the war is a fester in the wound. One day, all of East Asia is going to pay for it. | ||
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yaliu07
15 Posts
On September 23 2012 14:05 robjapan wrote: well, in general Japanese people despise Ishihara and while he has "some" support, there is far far FAR greater support for pacifism and peace. I can see the potential for it to happen in say 100 years and it is worrying to know your neighbour is building up a HUGE army... it has to be asked... why is China building such a big army... for what purpose does China require an army in a time of peace? I agree history "can" repeat itself and it will if we let racist groups take control of our countries, I liked your post right up until the last bit, again Japan does NOT see itself as a victim, it is widely agreed within Japanese people that they were the aggressors. I am Chinese. And I am asking the same question that why is United States building a bigger army. For what purpose does United States require a bigger army in a time of peace? I will answer your question why China needs a big army after you answer why does United States need a bigger army? | ||
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yaliu07
15 Posts
On September 23 2012 14:32 robjapan wrote: Yeh you make an excellent point. I just hope we never see another war ever again. I dont think war will happen. However, I do believe that Japan is 100% to blame in this incident. Please read my previous couple post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369083¤tpage=94#1870 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369083¤tpage=98#1953 | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
On September 24 2012 06:58 yaliu07 wrote: I am Chinese. And I am asking the same question that why is United States building a bigger army. For what purpose does United States require a bigger army in a time of peace? I will answer your question why China needs a big army after you answer why does United States need a bigger army? Because it is in the US's interests to maintain the status quo of the world, which at the moment is global peace between world powers. | ||
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CandyHunterz
Canada66 Posts
On September 24 2012 06:58 yaliu07 wrote: I am Chinese. And I am asking the same question that why is United States building a bigger army. For what purpose does United States require a bigger army in a time of peace? I will answer your question why China needs a big army after you answer why does United States need a bigger army? in response to china building up a massive military | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On September 24 2012 08:20 CandyHunterz wrote: in response to china building up a massive military Lol, because China is building bases all around the US? | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On September 24 2012 07:40 Smat wrote: Because it is in the US's interests to maintain the status quo of the world, which at the moment is global peace between world powers. Sorry, but I lol'd | ||
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ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
On September 23 2012 15:22 Orek wrote: China-Japan Joint History Research (2006-2009) Japan-ROK(Republic of Korea) Joint History Research (2002-2005) (2007-2010) need to continue so that what really happened can be studied acadmically. It took more than 50 years before these finally started. Discrepancy of views is still huge, but it's so much better than each side never listening to another side's evidence/perspective. I would kindly ask Japanese side to stop emphasizing too much details of what happend during the war. I would also kindly ask Chinese/Korean side to stop acting like any counterargument = revision of history by Japan. I am going off topic here but I will just respond to this post instead of the one several pages back. A simple solution is for their King to send an honest apology for everything that has happened like the German Prime Minister did. (I believe he already did in China in 1992 or 1993) Their King did express recently that he wanted to visit Korea and express his apology, but Japanese gov't probably won't. Their king would be a good role model for it and that would end it, following it up with teaching younger generations the correct things. Extreme right wing Japanese burning foreign country's flags, drawing cockroaches on it, and dishonoring it beyond imagination does not help. I know that most Japanese aren't like this, and I have read that most think the Takeshima issue is regarding their own Takeshima island that has nothing to do with Dokdo. If you look at Japanese iPhone app that deals with Takeshima/Dokdo issue, the island in the app shows a different Takeshima island which is to the south. I don't really know their opinion on Sengaku islands so I will not comment on it. I originally wrote a very lengthy response with many links and sources in rebuttal of your Dokdo/Takeshima ICJ claim. It all went poof when I was logged out due to a long time, but most of your claim is bogus, especially about inconsistency about Usando, which is indeed Dokdo and there are many many historical sources even going back 500 years. If you say 1-2 Korea's own sources makes the claim weak, then same can be said about Japanese claim in which they have several maps of their own claiming the island to be Korea's. None of Korean maps show Dokdo as Japanese, some are missing, and very few have misleading naming conventions. Many of Japanese maps show Dokdo as Korean territory going back several hundred years. Most of the old international maps even show it as Korean territory. I think that is enough already there. Regarding Terra Nullis and San Fran/Potsam/Cairo treaty, of course you and some others would nitpick at 'Freedom of Korea and its territory' because it doesn't state which is Korean territory. Japan had to return all territory that they claimed during the war, and we know from their reluctant position of invading the island in 1904 from their own source because it will lead to war. There are several sources regarding this on the web and even in library. You and I both are no experts on this. However, I have known this issue and studied it for many years, of course not to an extent of a historian. Therefore, it is my opinion that we study more about this matter but hesitate to comment or make a claim that is false or has no strong basis. Thanks. | ||
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