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On September 23 2012 10:04 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 10:02 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 09:55 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:52 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 09:32 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 07:51 Feartheguru wrote:[quote] ![[image loading]](http://americandigest.org/bowing%20to%20Saudi%20King.jpg) Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. faux pas to who? people with cultural customs similar to yourself? Everyone apparently, since you don't see Chinese PMs bow to the Japanese emperor when they meet despite being from the region of East Asia where everyone bows. I wonder why that is... You know, it's funny. I even thought about including the disclaimer about the Obama bow not counting because it's an obvious faux pas and no other foreign head of state bows to the Japanese emperor, but alas. On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 07:51 Feartheguru wrote:[quote] Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. In the context of Japan making an apology to China, why would it be strange if they bowed? (No I am not arguing whether they should or shouldnt' apologise). Both cultures are very similar in regards to apologising and losing face etc.. so why would it be more appropriate for this to be done under "international customs". (western culture). This is a good point that I admit I missed. I assumed he meant bowing down = kneeling on the ground. If there are a lot of them, it's not a faux pas. Logic ! Amazing isn't it? If they're done by the same person, then the first few times he does it, it's considered a faux pas. If he continues to do it, people will think he is trying to start a precedent. Your condescension is quite laughable, because you think you are being logical. I could post a bunch of pictures of other leaders doing it, but I've had enough laughs for one day. Maybe tomorrow we can continue. You could post a bunch of pictures showing foreign dignitaries bowing 90 degrees to other foreign dignitaries? I'd like to see it (assuming you're not bluffing of course).
[https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=667&q=george+bush+bow&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=BmJeUKHNDfOLyAGT6oGADQ
Bad at getting pics on this but first 2 rows, Bush to Absullah, Nixon to Mao. Didn't know bowing involved 90 degrees, way to change the parameters.
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Since when the thread title has become "Bow in Asia"? Just make a thread explaining picture like this. Derailing so much...
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Please try not to mix up "bowing" and "bowing down"
What Obama did was a mark of respect, not of submission. I quickly showed that photo to a few Japanese friends, my wife and the in laws and their reactions were all the same, "wow that Obama is such a respectful gentleman" "Americans aren't as rude as people say!"
so yeh... not a faux pas at all, in fact, quite the opposite.
And to respond to the angry man a page ago, you seem well read up on war crimes committed during the war, but completely oblivious to the apologies that have been made to the Chinese and Korean peoples on many occasions.
And ignorant regarding the issue of war criminals at Yasukuni.
An issue I explained on that very page had you actually taken the time to read it, but no...
War is bad... always... this is something the Japanese hold onto deep within their hearts, it wasn't so long ago a bunch of American soldiers, raped and killed an Iraqi family right? I don't believe that reflects upon the American military or the American people in general though.
Although that's an entirely different topic to the one being discussed in this thread.
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On September 23 2012 10:04 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 10:02 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 09:55 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:52 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 09:32 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 07:51 Feartheguru wrote:[quote] Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. faux pas to who? people with cultural customs similar to yourself? Everyone apparently, since you don't see Chinese PMs bow to the Japanese emperor when they meet despite being from the region of East Asia where everyone bows. I wonder why that is... You know, it's funny. I even thought about including the disclaimer about the Obama bow not counting because it's an obvious faux pas and no other foreign head of state bows to the Japanese emperor, but alas. On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 07:51 Feartheguru wrote:[quote] Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. In the context of Japan making an apology to China, why would it be strange if they bowed? (No I am not arguing whether they should or shouldnt' apologise). Both cultures are very similar in regards to apologising and losing face etc.. so why would it be more appropriate for this to be done under "international customs". (western culture). This is a good point that I admit I missed. I assumed he meant bowing down = kneeling on the ground. If there are a lot of them, it's not a faux pas. Logic ! Amazing isn't it? If they're done by the same person, then the first few times he does it, it's considered a faux pas. If he continues to do it, people will think he is trying to start a precedent. Your condescension is quite laughable, because you think you are being logical. I could post a bunch of pictures of other leaders doing it, but I've had enough laughs for one day. Maybe tomorrow we can continue. You could post a bunch of pictures showing foreign dignitaries bowing 90 degrees to other foreign dignitaries? I'd like to see it (assuming you're not bluffing of course).
AHAHAH. Like I said, refrain from talking if you have limited knowledge of the culture please. The majority of bows are not that.. often it can be as simple as a slight nod of the head.
Also I concur with the above poster, my parents had the same reaction when they saw Obama do that, they thought he was really respectful and culturally understanding. They are Korean.
So CountChocula, maybe all the other foreign dignitaries that have visited Asia in the past have been making the faux pas, not Obama (or others that do). I don't see how you continue to argue what is right and wrong in terms of cultural customs
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On September 23 2012 10:41 calderon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 10:04 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 10:02 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 09:55 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:52 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 09:32 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:
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Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. faux pas to who? people with cultural customs similar to yourself? Everyone apparently, since you don't see Chinese PMs bow to the Japanese emperor when they meet despite being from the region of East Asia where everyone bows. I wonder why that is... You know, it's funny. I even thought about including the disclaimer about the Obama bow not counting because it's an obvious faux pas and no other foreign head of state bows to the Japanese emperor, but alas. On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:
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Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. In the context of Japan making an apology to China, why would it be strange if they bowed? (No I am not arguing whether they should or shouldnt' apologise). Both cultures are very similar in regards to apologising and losing face etc.. so why would it be more appropriate for this to be done under "international customs". (western culture). This is a good point that I admit I missed. I assumed he meant bowing down = kneeling on the ground. If there are a lot of them, it's not a faux pas. Logic ! Amazing isn't it? If they're done by the same person, then the first few times he does it, it's considered a faux pas. If he continues to do it, people will think he is trying to start a precedent. Your condescension is quite laughable, because you think you are being logical. I could post a bunch of pictures of other leaders doing it, but I've had enough laughs for one day. Maybe tomorrow we can continue. You could post a bunch of pictures showing foreign dignitaries bowing 90 degrees to other foreign dignitaries? I'd like to see it (assuming you're not bluffing of course). AHAHAH. Like I said, refrain from talking if you have limited knowledge of the culture please. The majority of bows are not that.. Also I concur with the above poster, my parents had the same reaction when they saw Obama do that, they thought he was really respectful and culturally understanding. They are Korean. So CountChocula, maybe all the other foreign dignitaries that have visited Asia in the past have been making the faux pas, not Obama (or others that do). I don't see how you continue to argue what is right and wrong in terms of cultural customs
You speak as if all other foreign dignitaries that have visited Asia in the past have bowed. They haven't. Have I said that it is wrong to bow and follow different cultural customs? No, that it's merely unfashionable similar to someone showing up to a party and wearing white socks with dress pants and dress shoes.
Anyways, I might have been wrong about this one, because the American media made a big deal about it and the faux pas might not have been with the bow in general (which I took it to mean), but an American president bowing, which many news articles poked fun at and cited the State Department protocol saying that the American president bows to no one. So yes, maybe it was a faux pas in American customs and the fact that he added handshake makes it a faux pas in Japanese customs too as robinsa pointed out.
edit: You should still watch Letters from Iwo Jima in case you haven't watched it yet. Dismissing it on the sole basis that it's directed by Clint Eastwood, a director and actor known mainly for his westerns, would be foolhardy.
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On September 23 2012 10:32 robjapan wrote:
Please try not to mix up "bowing" and "bowing down"
What Obama did was a mark of respect, not of submission. I quickly showed that photo to a few Japanese friends, my wife and the in laws and their reactions were all the same, "wow that Obama is such a respectful gentleman" "Americans aren't as rude as people say!"
so yeh... not a faux pas at all, in fact, quite the opposite.
And to respond to the angry man a page ago, you seem well read up on war crimes committed during the war, but completely oblivious to the apologies that have been made to the Chinese and Korean peoples on many occasions.
And ignorant regarding the issue of war criminals at Yasukuni.
An issue I explained on that very page had you actually taken the time to read it, but no...
War is bad... always... this is something the Japanese hold onto deep within their hearts, it wasn't so long ago a bunch of American soldiers, raped and killed an Iraqi family right? I don't believe that reflects upon the American military or the American people in general though.
Although that's an entirely different topic to the one being discussed in this thread.
Try not to mix up how most people define certain terms and how a few Japanese people define certain terms.
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On September 23 2012 10:08 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 10:04 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 10:02 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 09:55 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:52 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 09:32 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:
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Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. faux pas to who? people with cultural customs similar to yourself? Everyone apparently, since you don't see Chinese PMs bow to the Japanese emperor when they meet despite being from the region of East Asia where everyone bows. I wonder why that is... You know, it's funny. I even thought about including the disclaimer about the Obama bow not counting because it's an obvious faux pas and no other foreign head of state bows to the Japanese emperor, but alas. On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:
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Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. In the context of Japan making an apology to China, why would it be strange if they bowed? (No I am not arguing whether they should or shouldnt' apologise). Both cultures are very similar in regards to apologising and losing face etc.. so why would it be more appropriate for this to be done under "international customs". (western culture). This is a good point that I admit I missed. I assumed he meant bowing down = kneeling on the ground. If there are a lot of them, it's not a faux pas. Logic ! Amazing isn't it? If they're done by the same person, then the first few times he does it, it's considered a faux pas. If he continues to do it, people will think he is trying to start a precedent. Your condescension is quite laughable, because you think you are being logical. I could post a bunch of pictures of other leaders doing it, but I've had enough laughs for one day. Maybe tomorrow we can continue. You could post a bunch of pictures showing foreign dignitaries bowing 90 degrees to other foreign dignitaries? I'd like to see it (assuming you're not bluffing of course). [https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=667&q=george+bush+bow&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=BmJeUKHNDfOLyAGT6oGADQ Bad at getting pics on this but first 2 rows, Bush to Absullah, Nixon to Mao. Didn't know bowing involved 90 degrees, way to change the parameters.
You see how few pictures of foreign dignitaries bowing you managed to get, right? Bush to Abdullah was because the latter had to put a medal around the neck of the former, which would be difficult without Bush lowering his head. Nixon to Mao seems valid, but the fact that you can only get a few pictures means generally dignitaries don't bow to each other when they meet, much less to 90 degrees. What's more, many of the older pictures were dug up by liberal netizens in defence of Obama when the Obama bow happened, because right-wing people were accusing him of something dumb, so I doubt you'll manage to find many more pictures.
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Look, are you even reading anything i'm posting?
"You speak as if all other foreign dignitaries that have visited Asia in the past have bowed. They haven't. Have I said that it is wrong to bow and follow different cultural customs? No, but merely unfashionable similar to someone showing up to a party and wearing white socks with dress pants and dress shoes."
I said in the past they haven't, HENCE THEY WERE THE ONES committing a faux pas by entering another country without any knowledge of their customs.
Also, him following it with a handshake IS NOT seen as a faux pas in Asian culture, handshakes are common part of doing business, and I'm sure the Japanese official was more than happy to reciprocate his handshake (western culture) after he showed him the respect of a bow.
"You see how few pictures of foreign dignitaries bowing you managed to get, right?"
Its because most bows aren't that rigid and formal, obviously it wasn't a natural thing for Obama, hence he went for safety first approach and just did a respectful bow. Most of the time it will simply be a forward nod of the head. There are many examples of this, you may not even recognize it as a bow. Often it is done WHILE shaking hands.
BOWS TO 90 DEGREES BASICALLY NEVER HAPPEN SO STOP ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO FIND PICS OF IT.
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On September 23 2012 11:01 calderon wrote:
Look, are you even reading anything i'm posting?
"You speak as if all other foreign dignitaries that have visited Asia in the past have bowed. They haven't. Have I said that it is wrong to bow and follow different cultural customs? No, but merely unfashionable similar to someone showing up to a party and wearing white socks with dress pants and dress shoes."
I said in the past they haven't, HENCE THEY WERE THE ONES committing a faux pas by entering another country without any knowledge of their customs.
Also, him following it with a handshake IS NOT seen as a faux pas in Asian culture, handshakes are common part of doing business, and I'm sure the Japanese official was more than happy to reciprocate his handshake (western culture) after he showed him the respect of a bow.
"You see how few pictures of foreign dignitaries bowing you managed to get, right?"
Its because most bows aren't that rigid and formal, obviously it wasn't a natural thing for Obama, hence he went for safety first approach and just did a respectful bow. Most of the time it will simply be a forward nod of the head. There are many examples of this, you may not even recognize it as a bow. Often it is done WHILE shaking hands.
BOWS TO 90 DEGREES BASICALLY NEVER HAPPEN SO STOP ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO FIND PICS OF IT.
So you admit this part at least makes it by definition a faux pas? From Wikipedia:
When dealing with non-East Asians, many East Asians will shake hands. Since many non-East Asians are familiar with the custom of bowing, this often leads to an awkward combined bow and handshake.
Maybe following it up with a handshake is not sufficient for a faux pas by Japanese customs, but it's still awkward. Robinsa on the last page even agreed with me that following a bow up with a handshake is weird. I also remember an NBC article mentioning that bows aren't usually accompanied with physical contact (i.e. handshaking).
Okay, I did misunderstand your last post (the bit near the end). I already said on the last page that I might have been too quick to dismiss bowing down as a way to apologize, because I took it to mean kneeling down which seems a bit too antiquated.
On September 23 2012 09:32 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 09:29 calderon wrote:On September 23 2012 09:26 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 09:19 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:58 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 07:51 Feartheguru wrote:On September 23 2012 07:25 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 07:19 Xpace wrote:On September 23 2012 06:02 CountChocula wrote:On September 23 2012 05:53 Taku wrote:
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Yeah um, this is East Asia. Bowing is still pretty big. Also my read on robjapan's posts is that Japan is putting it's head in the sand and everyone should leave it alone, after they've kicked the sand in everyone's face. Bowing down is not used for apologies between countries in the modern era. Also, I think you missed the point I was trying to make. We're talking about stuff done on the international scene. Do statesmen take customs from their own countries and use them when they meet delegates from foreign nations? When was the last time a delegate from one country bowed down to a delegate from another? It's not a custom on the international scene nor is it done when a country apologizes to another in the modern age. Also there's no guarantee the Chinese gov't won't use the tactic of riling up its own citizens in the future even if the emperor and the prime minister went to Beijing and did bow down. President Barack Hussein Obama. That was considered a faux pas by everyone Also a faux pas. I can find like 10 pictures that show the same thing with a google search lol. Please stop defending your bad argument and making yourself look bad :/ Google "Obama bow faux pas" and see how many results you get. Describe how my argument is bad instead of posting single images. In the context of Japan making an apology to China, why would it be strange if they bowed? (No I am not arguing whether they should or shouldnt' apologise). Both cultures are very similar in regards to apologising and losing face etc.. so why would it be more appropriate for this to be done under "international customs". (western culture). This is a good point that I admit I missed. I assumed he meant bowing down = kneeling on the ground.
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While I disagree with CountChocula on this particular issue, having posted the picture of Obama bowing to Akihito in the first place, I do realize that a lot of Americans (I originally intended to write 'conservatives') saw this as showing "weakness and submission". But what a few posts before me have highlighted is the fact that the bow is considered a faux pas only by Americans, and frankly, it's unwarranted. But that's just my two cents, so please see the rest of this post as simply one person's opinion that is open to discussion and interpretation.
This fear-based, us-or-them mentality is one of the primary challenges facing this country as its indicative of a constant need to prove how big and powerful we are. Are we so inclined to shove our alpha-male attitude every single chance we can, with the rationale that we are the world's police and showing anything otherwise would cause our downfall or incite our 'enemies' to attack us? Or are we so ignorant that we think someone like Ahmadinejad would see the bow and think "we should really do something to fuck 'em up while this submissive weakling is still in office (and their secretary of state is a woman!!)"
Only the weak get so worked up about the perception others have on them and place so much emphasis on 'looking' tough. The truly powerful happily show grace and humility to others because their power is not born of gestures or how they present themselves, but of their own existence, works, and courage. Do we really want these 'bow to nobody' guys determining what is 'faux pas' for us at a world stage?
The United States is the most powerful nation in the world, which makes the president, the commander-in-chief of our armed forces, the most powerful man in the world. When you have such power, not only do you not have to wear it on your chest all the time, but the wise will sheath it in humility so as to ease the spirits of those they encounter making harmony more likely. Which, contrary to the popular belief in our country, is the ultimate goal. Or at least it should be, given that our reputation, even when counting our 'allies', isn't exactly the best it's been in decades. Whether or not Obama shares this goal and whether or not his bows can be attributed to this rationale isn't important - what's important is how he was perceived. And as previous posters have mentioned, and I can attest to this based on personal experience, the reaction of the Japanese were positive.
I wonder if there are Russians who cry and whine every single time a picture of Putin is printed where he's topless, fishing or bear-wrangling* or climbing mountains.
Again, that's just personal opinion on this particular matter. *Note: Putin doesn't wrestle with bears.
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On September 23 2012 10:32 robjapan wrote:
And to respond to the angry man a page ago, you seem well read up on war crimes committed during the war, but completely oblivious to the apologies that have been made to the Chinese and Korean peoples on many occasions.
An issue I explained on that very page had you actually taken the time to read it, but no...
War is bad... always... this is something the Japanese hold onto deep within their hearts
War is bad... seriously. This is why the Japanese apologies are worthless. You just skim over events and say 'yeah that was regrettable' and refuse to recognise the sheer horrific nature and scale of what actually happened. Your posts show so little empathy to the victims and their families it's no wonder they're still angry. Everyone knows the current generation of Japanese aren't responsible but is it that hard to show some genuine empathy/understanding?
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I would say that the current generation of Japanese aren't very aware of what happened during WWII actually. It's not teached at school like Germans do. Don't expect too much empathy from them.
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Why are people talking about bowing and Obama? Nobody cares, stick to the thread subject.
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Seriously this needs to stop.
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I will say that the fact that Japanese politicians and citizens seem so unwilling to admit to their use of 'comfort women' (read: sex slaves) during the war is shameful. The fact that a politician can write them off as 'just prostitutes' and remain in office is disgusting, and the fact that thousands of Japanese citizens started a petition to reverse the U.S. position on them makes me angry.
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On September 23 2012 11:38 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 10:32 robjapan wrote:
And to respond to the angry man a page ago, you seem well read up on war crimes committed during the war, but completely oblivious to the apologies that have been made to the Chinese and Korean peoples on many occasions.
An issue I explained on that very page had you actually taken the time to read it, but no...
War is bad... always... this is something the Japanese hold onto deep within their hearts War is bad... seriously. This is why the Japanese apologies are worthless. You just skim over events and say 'yeah that was regrettable' and refuse to recognise the sheer horrific nature and scale of what actually happened. Your posts show so little empathy to the victims and their families it's no wonder they're still angry. Everyone knows the current generation of Japanese aren't responsible but is it that hard to show some genuine empathy/understanding?
Yeah, this stiff-necked stubbornness and refusal to try to understand the other viewpoint while assuming already knowing it is a pretty good representation for those who are curious lol.
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On September 23 2012 11:38 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 10:32 robjapan wrote:
And to respond to the angry man a page ago, you seem well read up on war crimes committed during the war, but completely oblivious to the apologies that have been made to the Chinese and Korean peoples on many occasions.
An issue I explained on that very page had you actually taken the time to read it, but no...
War is bad... always... this is something the Japanese hold onto deep within their hearts War is bad... seriously. This is why the Japanese apologies are worthless. You just skim over events and say 'yeah that was regrettable' and refuse to recognise the sheer horrific nature and scale of what actually happened. Your posts show so little empathy to the victims and their families it's no wonder they're still angry. Everyone knows the current generation of Japanese aren't responsible but is it that hard to show some genuine empathy/understanding?
1. I'm not Japanese.
2. Actual Japanese people no.. CHILDREN are literally crying in class as they learn about the events of WW2, I've seen a whole room of children in tears with my own eyes, how's that for genuine empathy?
3. Why is it only Japanese need to show that empathy? I'm British and nobody expects us to feel sorry for any wrong doings of the British Empire.
4. How about Americans feeling sorry for what happened to to the native Americans? too long ago? oh.... well I guess in 100 years it's ok to not give a shit?
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On September 23 2012 12:08 zefreak wrote:
I will say that the fact that Japanese politicians and citizens seem so unwilling to admit to their use of 'comfort women' (read: sex slaves) during the war is shameful. The fact that a politician can write them off as 'just prostitutes' and remain in office is disgusting, and the fact that thousands of Japanese citizens started a petition to reverse the U.S. position on them makes me angry.
Someone needs to read his history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women#Apologies_and_compensation
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On September 23 2012 12:11 robjapan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 11:38 Scarecrow wrote:On September 23 2012 10:32 robjapan wrote:
And to respond to the angry man a page ago, you seem well read up on war crimes committed during the war, but completely oblivious to the apologies that have been made to the Chinese and Korean peoples on many occasions.
An issue I explained on that very page had you actually taken the time to read it, but no...
War is bad... always... this is something the Japanese hold onto deep within their hearts War is bad... seriously. This is why the Japanese apologies are worthless. You just skim over events and say 'yeah that was regrettable' and refuse to recognise the sheer horrific nature and scale of what actually happened. Your posts show so little empathy to the victims and their families it's no wonder they're still angry. Everyone knows the current generation of Japanese aren't responsible but is it that hard to show some genuine empathy/understanding? 1. I'm not Japanese. 2. Actual Japanese people no.. CHILDREN are literally crying in class as they learn about the events of WW2, I've seen a whole room of children in tears with my own eyes, how's that for genuine empathy? 3. Why is it only Japanese need to show that empathy? I'm British and nobody expects us to feel sorry for any wrong doings of the British Empire. 4. How about Americans feeling sorry for what happened to to the native Americans? too long ago? oh.... well I guess in 100 years it's ok to not give a shit?
You certainly don't seem very empathetic.
Point 3 and 4 are not entirely accurate and false equivalencies.
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When we have a thread about a huge territorial dispute between the Asian titans go in the direction of the semantics of bowing..... you know something is wrong with the thread. Hope people can go back to the topic so outside readers can actually benefit instead of having to read useless arguements.
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