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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
If your vote is not properly formatted it might not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. Clarity_nl (4) - da0ud, Djodref, Obzy, Alsn, Obzy (1) - Clarity_nl sylverfyre (0) - Alsn (0) - Djodref (0) - Not Voting - (2) - Rad, sylverfyre Currently, Clarity_nl is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 21 hours and 40 minutes left to vote! Deadline is at 01:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
Because I'm VT and his actions make sense to me from a VT perspective, just as cheese and debears' did during the chaos. Guess I'll put together my VT post now. You asked for it Mr. Blue ^^ | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 07 2012 12:17 Rad wrote: It's a hypothetical, so I can't really read into it. I agree with him, what if he's blue and you pushed him so hard he had to claim? With you showing why you're sure he's not blue, well, that gives you even more blue credit IMO, but doesn't take away VT potential from him. I do (now) get why you pushed so hard to try to make him claim blue though. [b]@ Rad[b] Because I have a trump card against a fakeclaim from Clarity  He would be 100% scum if he claimed blue so I wanted him to claim. But I hope my first point is enough to make you understand that he is not blue. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 07 2012 09:07 Rad wrote: @da0ud What do you think about people claiming right now? Djo seems to think clarity should claim, and probably thinks I should to. Is that a good or bad idea in your opinion for the current state of the game? Finishing to read before gathering my thoughts and posting on the subject. Been pretty busy at work, and each page I read another one appears in the thread. I would like to contribute asap though because I don't want all of you to be in bed yet.... | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
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Rad
United States935 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
If you are still inclined to believe in a VT Clarity, how would you evaluate his amount and quality of scumhunting ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'll prepare a final case against Clarity. But one more question, do you think it makes sense from a VT perspective to keep for yourself a critical information ? Cheese reaction after his discovery was to believe that he could use the flavor as a way to confirm himself to all the other VTs. I don't see why Clarity would have thought in a different manner just before asking his question to marv. That's why I wanted to know what he exactly asked to marv. I wanted to know how he brought his discovery to the host. Anyway, he gets relevant information and doesn't imagine that another VT could have done the same. His logical reasoning shows that he is mafia here because in his story, he thinks first at the mafia perspective "I can see who is going to fakeclaim" rather than at the VT perspective "i need to share this information". | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I would start to look for his scum mate or concede ^^ | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
My trust in him is based on how similarly we seem to be thinking. You'd have to be a VT in this game to understand, I think. Surely anyone who is a VT this game had cheese's same thoughts rush through their mind when they noticed the lack of flavor text. We'd be like this little secret society, you see, that only we'd know about. Perhaps if we were just more experienced at the game we'd know this would be too OP, but we're newbies, and the idea was delicious. Cheese had the thought and ran with it, explained it to debears, debears *high fived* cheese over it, and although I had that same thought at one point in the game, I PM'd the host as soon as cheese dropped the claim the first time. By the time they were high-fiving, I had already gotten back a response, and had been brewing over why a town would be claiming right now. Was he just a VT being wreckless, or a scum trying to get people to claim? Why claim at that point when there's no reason to? Wtf? There's absolutely no reason to claim right then. Is a scum cheese trying to pull some crazy shit? That's what first went through my mind, but i realized that no, there's no fucking way a scum would do this right now, trading scum life for possible (not even guaranteed) information is a terrible trade. I can see how clarity wouldn't have necessarily come to this conclusion though, so he kept his vote on cheese. You need to look at clarity's reactions to cheese during that incident. They don't push blame, they're looking for all the appropriate answers, and everything he did (except not switching to debears) mirrored my own thoughts during the the scenario. Does that mean he's necessarily VT? Nah, but I was right about cheese and debears, and I think I'm right about clarity. Djo, if he flips red, I fully expect to be lynched. But, do you think that's a good scum move to put myself out there so much? Do you think it's a good scum move to constantly defend him against your attacks if we're a scum team? | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 07 2012 12:48 Djodref wrote: @ Rad I'll prepare a final case against Clarity. But one more question, do you think it makes sense from a VT perspective to keep for yourself a critical information ? Cheese reaction after his discovery was to believe that he could use the flavor as a way to confirm himself to all the other VTs. I don't see why Clarity would have thought in a different manner just before asking his question to marv. That's why I wanted to know what he exactly asked to marv. I wanted to know how he brought his discovery to the host. Anyway, he gets relevant information and doesn't imagine that another VT could have done the same. His logical reasoning shows that he is mafia here because in his story, he thinks first at the mafia perspective "I can see who is going to fakeclaim" rather than at the VT perspective "i need to share this information". Well, I can say that I didn't share the information I got from marv even though I got it before it all turned into insanity. Why? Because I thought that would straight up out me as a VT. 1 less person in the list of potential blues. Actually during the entire situation, I tried to look as blue as possible because I was afraid other VTs would come out and high five cheese alongside debears. If all VTs do that, along with the scum, but none of the blues do, suddenly it's easy snipe time and no confirmed VTs. I wanted to make sure I didn't come across as VT at that time. It was hectic, and really difficult to make decisions. If I had PM'd marv way earlier, when I realized the potential "secret code" so to speak, I still don't think I would have said "hey guys did you know that everyone knows about the VT flavor!?" I feel like that would out me as VT to the scum, cause the blues should have already known that and probably wouldn't see it as a big deal to announce to everyone. I can see clarity thinking the same thing here. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
By the way, today is not even over yet. I know that Clarity has a lot of pressure if he is town so we ll see what ahppen. Hopefully he flips roleblocker and I can jail the last scum. I have doubts on Alsn you and sylverfyre. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 05 2012 01:50 Rad wrote: @Djodref apperently you don't understand that if you state that something's a trap, it's no longer a trap. This kind of super odd reasoning is becoming pretty regular from you. It's the same reason why you wouldn't necessarily want to tell someone your pressure vote is a pressure vote (pointing back to your issue with sylver's vote from earlier), and I can't imagine why you'd want to tell people about your trap. Has anyone ever fallen into a trap they knew of? If you can't place your trap without explaining it, maybe you should think of a different idea instead... Anyway, all I get from your "trap" is that you want to be considered super townie enough to take one for town. This could be scum motivated for normal people (though even then, a really stupid scum move I'd think). However, with how poorly we all judged you last game, I can see that as you attempting something different to gain trust because you actually don't know how to naturally gain trust. So, null tell for me in the end, I guess... I purposely misspell apparently, I tend to say @djo except that time, I do not highlight the f in djodref, and IMO that's an awkward use of the word regular (I'd say something like "common" instead, typically). TBH that post was really hard to figure out for me. I had to think of some post with "@djodref apperently" and then fit in the word regular, lol. I don't think you leave a "regular fapper" breadcrumb if you realize that everyone else has that information. Up to you if you believe me though. I think my actions match up with this idea that I'm VT and I believe clarity is VT as well. If you wish to continue to push him, go for it, but I'll need a better case from you because just about everything you've said that I've defended, I did so because you could have had that same case against me, and I know all of those points to not be true because I lived them as a VT. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
I have doubts on alsn and sylver at this point. I hope you can drop your doubts on me with my "evidence" but if not, I understand. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
More seriously I do TRULY believe Djodref 's claim. No one can counter-claim and especially not me. I actually do understand in a sense why he did not put Debears in jail. If he thought the scum team was Alsn/Clarity, then is move calling that Clairty should be put in jail, is actually good. If Alsn was scum with Clarity, I would give the KP to Alsn. Scum team could not go to deep in mind thinking and actually give the KP to Clarity. Djodref blocking Alsn and seeing Debears (biggest town reaction the CC 's claim) dead, confirms to me that Alsn is town . I know I am town myself and I understand totally Obzy's frustration. You play the game and hope to be scum to have fun and or worst case to have an interesting blue role. You get the VT PM and you feel disappointed. Though you don't want to let your team down (like Roco last game) and mostly do sheep because you don't want to invest time to write big cases and go over and over on people's filter. Think of me man, this is my third game and have been VT every single one (last game I became a posteriori JK because Calrity got modkilled), so I understand your frustration. For that reason if find Obzy town . There is still a tiny chance you would be scum, playing the super emotional newbie card. The emotional part is really well played though. Clarity (?!!?), your defense ! your reaction to CC's claim ! nothing makes sense now man. You are digging a hole deeper and deeper. 99.9% convinced you are scumClarity . I don't believe a second that with your experience, you would have considered PMing Marv. I have played a few games already (ok I don't read super closely the OP) and I didn't even understand the situation with people calling CC fake claiming. Didn't cross my mind a second. @Obzy, question to you : as a VT, have you PMed Marv and ask if you PM was in the blue PM and scum PM ? Rad I am not convinced you are scum, you can redeem yourself. Two points against you. First one is slim. We were three laying on Debears on D1 lynch. I personally assume that a scum team move, would be to get one to vote on CC and one to vote someone else. Just to spread the suspicious. We were only three voting on Debears : CC , Da0ud , Rad (Rad ?). Second point is you have been defending Clarity quite a lot, but this is not too scummy, it would be too obvious and if i were Clarity 's teammate I would back off. On the other hand, you have tried to change subject, do more scum-hunting, consider more cases and I like it. (even though, yourself you didn't do much of that). Leaves Sylver ! You could be the other scum guy taking advantage of Rad being associated to Clarity. I am actually laying towards that ! Order of preference Clairty/Sylver over Clarity/Rad I reiterate my vote on Clarity for the time being. ##Unvote revote : ##Vote Clarity Even if Clarity were not scum (slim chance) this lynch is good for town ! We would get so much more colour on what to do afterwards ! Djodref would have no chance to survive another day as scum ! | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
What do you think about the fact that Clarity never wanted to share the exact question he asked ? @ daoud why would I be scum if Claritg flips town ? | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 07 2012 13:47 Djodref wrote: @ Rad What do you think about the fact that Clarity never wanted to share the exact question he asked ? @ daoud why would I be scum if Claritg flips town ? It was a way to say, you would be a clear target, so it doesn't really believe you would push that move as scum. Don't you think everyone would go after you if Clarity flips town ? One more reason for me to believe your hidden message : I am french as well so I would have located other hidden potential role claim like the "Gardien". I didn't see no "Police", "Gendarme", etc. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
Alsn is blue or scum. Doesn't matter if I point that out at this point because scum should be able to figure that out with da0ud and myself (and obzy?) claiming. I say this because his reaction to the VT info is: On November 05 2012 08:59 Alsn wrote: Wait, if I'm to understand marv correctly, were some players not aware that the VT role was "regular fapper"? Or what? If he's blue or scum, he thinks that everyone knows of the VT role. It's confusing to him that someone might not know about this. To a VT, the opposite is confusing, that everyone knows about the VT role (unless you PM the host or are just good enough to know this is obviously the case, I guess). (speaking of which, da0ud, if you're blue and I read your VT claim wrong, alsn is scum) If clarity is scum, alsn is NOT scum, because djo blocked him (good point da0ud). So, we can figure out alsn based on a clarity lynch. Alsn probably shouldn't claim right now if he's blue because we get to find out some information from a clarity lynch. OR do we ask alsn to claim now because he was blocked and has to be blue or scum? He should have an old breadcrumb if he's blue and TBH he HAS to be blue or scum based on his reaction I quoted above. If clarity is town, I don't think it says anything about alsn, and at that point we can make him claim. If he's scum and claims wrong, someone else will counter claim. At that point we've at least got it down to 1 of 2 people is scum. We can figure out which and that's 1 scum down. So to summarize, should we (assuming we agree that da0ud, myself, and obzy are all VTs, which makes 5, and djo being 1 blue, so just 1 more town): 1. Lynch clarity to possibly find out more information about alsn? or 2. Ask alsn to claim. This would either force a scum to also claim to save their game (where we'd have to make a choice between the 2), or he'd be scum and clash with a real blue (probably only 2 blues in this game, right?) | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 07 2012 13:47 Djodref wrote: @ Rad What do you think about the fact that Clarity never wanted to share the exact question he asked ? @ daoud why would I be scum if Claritg flips town ? @djo I don't know. If he's town, maybe he just didn't think it was appropriate information to give yet (because it would out him as VT)? If he's scum, maybe he didn't know what that PM would be about? It's hard to read. | ||
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