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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I think it was directed at hiro, as specified in the post.  I'm still confused, because hiro already voted for xt. He also never said things about scumdar, vain, etc. etc. whereas I did. I voted for Vain. It just sounded like you misread the names because my analysis post fits with what you described. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Yes, LYNCH SCUM, not someone who we can't analyze. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: xtfftc | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
THANK YOU Jackal. VE, Im gonna say this one more time: STOP. PUTTING. WORDS. IN. MY. MOUTH. If you want me to clarification on something I sad, just say something like "hey hiro, is that a soft defend of Palmer?". Or, how about asking me " yo, mr. Protagonist, what are your thoughts on palmar? do you think he is scum?". that way, I can use my own words, which *surprise!* can be analyzed? your really grinding my gears... when you say something like this: On August 23 2011 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote: hiro - I say we take a hard look at VAIN and lynch XTC. I'll even put my vote on it if you'll agree. Vain is the very picture of inactive and is more worth a random bullet some random night than a lynch. We should use our lynch for people we're relatively certain is scum...and your post reads more like you're more certain that XT is scum. So why not lynch scum instead of an inactive that 'makes your scumdar go crazy'...he hasn't posted enough for us to ACTUALLY divine his alignment, let's give him that opportunity...or make him eat a bullet. Its obvious you haven't read the thread because *surprise!* Im already voting for him... -____________________________________________________- | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
## unvote ##vote xtfftc | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 22 2011 14:40 Foolishness wrote: It's because I'm not sure what to make of the night events. I got roleblocked and shot. That's not something most people would do. Either way you got some pretty damning evidence against Mig there. ##Vote Mig Foolish, I'm concerned about your vote here. If you're not sure what to make of a night's events, why in the hell would you vote for someone that is in your opinion involved? I reread Mig's posts (like you, it was short reading) and he hasn't done anything overtly scummy so far...there are a LOT of scummy targets out here, why Mig? Everyone is voting based on YOUR logic, I'd like you to state ALL of the reasons you think Mig is the best lynch if you please. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:27 hiro protagonist wrote: THANK YOU Jackal. VE, Im gonna say this one more time: STOP. PUTTING. WORDS. IN. MY. MOUTH. If you want me to clarification on something I sad, just say something like "hey hiro, is that a soft defend of Palmer?". Or, how about asking me " yo, mr. Protagonist, what are your thoughts on palmar? do you think he is scum?". that way, I can use my own words, which *surprise!* can be analyzed? your really grinding my gears... when you say something like this: Its obvious you haven't read the thread because *surprise!* Im already voting for him... -____________________________________________________- No dude, just look at the two posts above you. Honest mistake, he misread the names of who posted what. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote: xtfftc has made some "contributions", but his reactions have been really strange. Supersoft made a list once of people who haven't voted, and xtfftc jumped to the conclusion that it was a suspicion list. ... Apologizes meekly to supersoft later, why? I did not say that the list of people Supersoft made was a list of people who were suspicious - I merely pointed out that he was wrong. I voted for Palmer, Supersoft quoted my post and voted for me immediately after - and then he put me on the list. It was sloppy, no matter how you look at it. Then I saw I missed doing it on the voting thread, so I apologised for my mistake. Why - because I was wrong and even made a sneer remark on it. wat indeed? What is it that you are claiming? Is this all about semantics or is there anything more to it? On August 23 2011 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote: I will answer to QuickSilver in a separate post because this one is long enough anyway. but never actually made such a post, semi-copping out with this trash: If I don't answer QuickSilver, people will claim that I have nothing to say in my defense. If I don't analyse Sevyrn, I will be accused of not contributing. I never got to responding to it, mostly because I felt there was not much to talk about. Most of his accusations were based on me arguing the point that lynching lurkers as top priority is not a great strategy for town. The rest was an analysis on my vote for Palmer, which was taken out of context. Still, there you go: On August 20 2011 16:52 QuickSilver7 wrote: Our scum dying today is xtfftc, he does the same thing that Trotske does. So lemme get this straight, he votes Palmar to try and get Palmar to convince him that DB or BB are scum? He doesn’t even think Palmar is scum but he’s fine killing him if it means “one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around” Townies throw accusations around not mafia, mafia want to lurk where they won’t be seen. People vote for more than one reason. Not every vote means "this person is mafia". Sometimes you vote to pressure, sometime you vote to encourage. He also picks DB and BB as people who he’d switch to if Palmar magically convinces him that one of them is scum. However he doesn’t give any reasons why he’d vote for these people other than a very vague reference to DB’s “behavior.” Mentioning DB wasn't a vague reference, I had already commented on it in a previous post. Mentioning BB was to encourage Palmar to keep on with his lead because I thought he was onto something. Here is another: Woa red flags going up all over the place, for context xtfftc was posting some troll crap at the beginning about democracy and random stuff which Curu called him out on. Firstly he says he has nothing to add, bad bad bad, as a townie you can always add to the discussion. For context, this post comes in the middle of a discussion about lynching lurkers and different lynch organization techniques. A townie should have lots to say on this subject, after the lynch is how we’re killing scum. Yet xtfftc doesn’t address any of this and skates by with a very neutral “as long as we're all active, all is good.” Then he drops the bomb “I'd just bear in mind that people don't want to die, even in a game” a townie would be happy to die, every townie that dies at night is a blue that didn’t get sniped (or a medic failure lolol  ). Townies should have no fear of death and be contributing as much as possible, any reticence towards posting indicates something to hide and that indicates scum.This was a discussion about policies which should have been over a long time ago. I said what I had to say - that some town players will lurk and lynching players for lurking is a bad idea. At the time of my post there were people calling out for lynching all lurkers as a top priority... I don't agree with this and never will. Anyway next post: I agree, of course. If the whole population takes part in the democracy process, the people become too powerful to be messed with. But it often takes just one ordinary citizen to show signs of cowardice - and suddenly we see a snowball effect affecting the whole town. But in the below post he contradicts himself by saying that if 1 person doesn't post, we all lose. Snowball effect = one person deciding to do something and the others following. One person is not a problem unless the others follow suit. I apologise if the way I expressed myself was a bit hard to understand but by twisting my words all you do is make me suspicious. I never said that "if 1 person doesn't post, we all lose" - I said that "One person is not a problem unless the others follow suit." The nested quotes here show the little exchange about democracy I was talking about earlier. Now I would have let that whole thing go as early game trolling and not taken anything he said seriously, but rather then say “oh hey nbd I was just trolling”, xtfftc chooses to defend his comments which means he meant them, if he mean them than GeyMist’s argument for xtfftc’s posts being scummy is suddenly relevant. Beyond the democracy exchange this post also rehashes stuff others have been saying about lurkers and town KP, adding nothing new to the table. The very definition of CWC. I did mean them and I still mean them - prioritising on lurkers is bad for the game. According to QuickSilver I was wrong for saying "there is nothing more to add", yet I am also wrong for "adding nothing new to the table". I made my point about the policy, then I made it again. And then I got asked about it again. Yes, I had nothing else to add and I still don't. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:27 hiro protagonist wrote: THANK YOU Jackal. VE, Im gonna say this one more time: STOP. PUTTING. WORDS. IN. MY. MOUTH. If you want me to clarification on something I sad, just say something like "hey hiro, is that a soft defend of Palmer?". Or, how about asking me " yo, mr. Protagonist, what are your thoughts on palmar? do you think he is scum?". that way, I can use my own words, which *surprise!* can be analyzed? your really grinding my gears... when you say something like this: Its obvious you haven't read the thread because *surprise!* Im already voting for him... -____________________________________________________- Hey...hiro...were you soft-defending Palmar? | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
But Im still serious about the not putting words in my mouth part... | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey...hiro...were you soft-defending Palmar? Nope, thanks for asking. I was pointing out a scummy comment by xtfftc. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
Some context on the whole discussion would benefit your decision making greatly. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Two days and only a single meta argument/accusation from Mig. ##Vote Mig | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:50 hiro protagonist wrote: well, there's this: yeah, If I was scum, I wouldn't want someone around that randomly accusing people ether. I mean, why would you want anyone to do something that puts pressure on scum, right? It puts pressure on everyone and can be detrimental to discussion. Don't take things out of context, please. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:33 xtfftc wrote: Horrible BBCode tags, might be useful to have a look at QuickSilver's post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=19#377 Some context on the whole discussion would benefit your decision making greatly. So. Our dead Vig thought you were scum. Don't go to law school. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Foolish, I'm concerned about your vote here. If you're not sure what to make of a night's events, why in the hell would you vote for someone that is in your opinion involved? I reread Mig's posts (like you, it was short reading) and he hasn't done anything overtly scummy so far...there are a LOT of scummy targets out here, why Mig? Everyone is voting based on YOUR logic, I'd like you to state ALL of the reasons you think Mig is the best lynch if you please. On the contrary, chaoser's the one that found the contradiction. I started the campaign against Mig yesterday, and chaoser was the only one who also voted for him on day 1 (and one of the few to actually comment about it). It only makes sense that we continue the campaign today since Mig hasn't done much to prove himself an ally to the town. And I am building a good case against him; you can expect more later in the day. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
Doesn't convince me yet. If you keep analyzing people, i am willing to switch my vote on vain. I want to hear something about nard, vain, mig and kurumi please. Just your thoughts. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:37 xtfftc wrote: It puts pressure on everyone and can be detrimental to discussion. Don't take things out of context, please. I did not say anything about the negative aspects of random accusations. I said that if I was scum, I would not want someone around that randomly accuses people. | ||
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