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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:22 Foolishness wrote: That's totally a townie talking there. Not afraid to voice his opinion or yell at someone. Yes but in case he is mafia and knows that I am town, he'd be able to point the finger at my most vicious inquisitor. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:30 xtfftc wrote: Yes but in case he is mafia and knows that I am town, he'd be able to point the finger at my most vicious inquisitor. tell me about nard, mig and kurumi. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:56 Palmar wrote: Foolishness made some correct observations on day 1. In addition he claimed a shot in a way I don't think Scumishness would've done. However, the medic who saved him should absolutely claim at some point, I've not concluded how and when is the best point to claim. I think claiming before this night would be stupid. Perhaps just as this night ends in case he gets shot? I don't know. I disagree with this. In 99% of cases, you should never force a medic to claim unless they are hours away from being lynched. I can think of some wacky mass claim strat where a medic might claim early, but in most cases, we judge the person who says "I took a hit" based on their own posts and scumminess - medics can (and have) accidentally protected scum from vigi hits in the past. On August 22 2011 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: We'll start here guys. Palmar is SCUM. His case against BrownBear can be summed up in 2 lines. 1) Palmar feels BB's reaction to Palmar's scummy-ass tunneling is...scummy. 2) He sees BB's accusation and subsequent vote on JeeJee as diversionary. But look at the size of that post! Just look at it! Know why it's that size? Because everything he's posted before here has been 1 line throwing suspicion around and NOW he has to actually look like he's scumhunting! But read it...he's not. He's saying the same thing he's BEEN saying, only throws a quote or two in there to make it look like scumhunting. I haven't found BB OR DB to be particularly pro- or anti-town, but Palmar for some reason claims his scumhunting has been 'the best' in the game so far, and that he's 'more town than anyone' this game. He's manipulating everyone, and it's time it's over. He escaped lynch yesterday with this nonsense...the fact that there are those of you who believe him is unsettling. But Palmar is scum, and he needs to hang. I'm voting for him. You are correct in pointing out the simplistic tunneled idiocy of Palmar's argument, but I don't think he's scum. His play to me feels very enthusiastic, if bad, townie. If anything, he reminds me of a town Bill Murray - very prominent, wants to be at the center of everything, combative, not backing down, making himself the center of attention - not usually the attitude scum takes. Also, I've filtered his posts several times and have yet to discover any sort of seriously scummy behavior. Just a lot of tunnelling, screaming at people who disagree with him, and other bad town play. If he breaks out of his tunnel of me, I think he'll help us tear this game apart - he's shown he's capable of doing that in past games, why not this one? --- Anyway, I'm looking through xfftc, Mig, Vain, and Hiro's posts. A lot of you guys have already done this, but those of you who haven't should do so! | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote: Sorry for all the posting, but I just noticed this, gotta follow up: 1.) Okay, why? Why is nard suspicious to you? 2.) Why is xtfftc suspicious to you? 3.) Why is nard MORE suspicious to you than xtfftc? 4.) If you don't have a third person, what have you thought about Mig? Rayzor? 5.) Why are you lurking so hard? You sure love lists. Ok here it goes. 1: don't you see his posts are revolving around nothing at all? He's posting and saying nothing at the same time. Also withholding his vote so he doesn't have to elaborate that much in case of a switch. 2: Same as with nards with the vote witholding. and posts like this set me off a bit On August 21 2011 04:42 xtfftc wrote: In this case, ##Vote: Sevryn Now, let's proceed with a discussion of what actually matters. My gut says supersoft and QuickSilver but my gut is biased and wants those who go after me dead ^^ Although Supersoft being so cautious when defending Sevryn and yet so aggressive against me and his earlier bandwagonning is something worth remembering. I want to hear more from DropBear and BlackBear. I do not find DropBear particularly suspicious but he still has to answer the questions raised. BlackBear is suspicious (going too agressively against inactive players, some random accusations) and, unlike DropBear, is a target we might get a majority for. Hiro, judging by the OP I think we have about 6 hours left. He is basically saying he suspects 2 people and then just after that he wants us to don't mind him:\ He is pointing out that he wants to hear more but asks no questions. 3: nard is contradictive. He wanted to get sure we got a lynch but still voted brownbear, wtf? 4: didn't check all the posting history's yet 5: i'm not lurkin now, am i? also i didnt' really thought i had something to add so i refrained from posting what i guess i shouldn't have done | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: hiro is acting like cocky-ass scum this game, and I think he's hiding behind his meta. He doesn't usually play like this when scum (he doesn't often play scum at all actually)...one of his only games I've played with him though he was the lurky lacky of Palmar, in the game he referenced at the BEGINNING of the game, establishing his meta. I don't like it. Hiro takes the lead of second-runner-ups-to-Palmar-on-my-scum-list. Wait a minute, you said that me using meta in my arguments was pointless and (for the most part) rampant speculation. But now you're voting for Hiro based on meta? WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:40 Foolishness wrote: Wait a minute, you said that me using meta in my arguments was pointless and (for the most part) rampant speculation. But now you're voting for Hiro based on meta? WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD yeah, he's not following his own advice: On August 23 2011 00:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It's also a good way to find scum...in fact, contradictory behavior is one of the BEST ways to find scum. lol | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
afk | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:48 Curu wrote: Foolishness is scum because he's not trolling. afk NOBODY CARES | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
If you're scum, feel free to continue. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:58 Curu wrote: Seriously where are you Mig? Yeah I can understand that you're pissed at Personality, I'm pretty put off too, but if you're Town help us win this game. If you're scum, feel free to continue. You were in DrH's experimental game with Mig. Does anything about his behavior this game resemble that game? | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
looking forward to what BrownBear has to say. also, the following people need to chime in and give opinions: Trotske Lucidity Munk-E GreYMisT nard Pyo Kurumi | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote: ##Vote: Palmar He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us. However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around. I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour. This is interesting. Can't say it wasn't welcome at the time considering how much Palmar was tunnelling me, but I go back to it and it feels rather strange. He wants "one less player who throws meaningless accusations around" sounds a lot like he wants "no players throwing accusations around" because at that point Palmar was really the only guy who was putting any suspicion on anyone (there was the sevryn thing, but that wasn't born out of someone accusing sevryn, that was more born out of someone noticing a pretty obvious slip sevryn made). Thing is, if nobody's accusing anyone, that's a veeery pro-mafia atmosphere. I suppose from the other side, it could be seen as him wanting to clean up the thread a little bit, but generally, going for the guy with the most posts on day 1 means you want to make day 2 a lot quieter - not a very town-centric viewpoint unless the guy with the most posts is really obvious scum (which Palmar isn't). On August 20 2011 05:15 xtfftc wrote: Oh, the vote is in 30 hours, not in 6 hours. I thought we were running out of time. :/ Still, I'll stick to Palmar for now. Ok, fair enough, I'm sure you'll come back later in the day cycle to see how the discussion is panning out and see if you're opinion needs changing... On August 21 2011 03:04 xtfftc wrote: Mafia. The "pressure vote" thingie sounded too much like an attempt to be tough on mafia - and once he realised he screwed up he tried to disappear. I never said such a thing - I simply pointed out you were sloppy. Pretty weak and short reasoning to change your opinion and jump on a bandwagon dude. At least your Palmar accusation had some balls behind it. Also he and supersoft get in a small catfight over "please vote lists" which is completely inconsequential, so I'm gonna ignore it. On August 21 2011 03:24 xtfftc wrote: By the way, I have to apologise to supersoft - I just noticed that I didn't post in the voting thread, which was probably the reason he put me on his list (although it's still kind of sloppy). So I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself. Palmar, DropBear and BrownBear are a story that has to develop further. A little more explanation - but still not really any contribution. He wants to see the saga of me/DB/Palmar develop further... At that point it had pretty much settled into Palmar tunnelling me and Dropbear being mostly forgotten. I approve of the apology to supersoft tho. Good sportsmanship there, keep it up!  On August 21 2011 03:40 xtfftc wrote: The question is whether he will get modkilled enough to allow us another lynch target. Shows a little bit of a lack of paying attention to the thread... at that point Sev wasn't a modkill candidate (unless the fact that he had voted but unvoted meant he would get modkilled, but I don't think that's how it works. If I'm wrong, then nvm.) On August 21 2011 03:49 xtfftc wrote: I expected supersoft to be superhappy about this but noone else. Sevryn is basically dead, one way or another. No mafia will be dumb enough to protect him anymore and the townies are aware that going after anyone else now would look suspicious. But in case Sevryn gets modkilled, we need to use the opportunity for two town kills. This is "The Big Slip" that everyone keeps talking about. He explains it away as "town kills = kills by town" later, but... ehhh, lets look at it more. The way I think he meant it is, he wanted to use our lynch vote to hit someone else, then let Sevryn get modkilled to take out the maximum number of people that day. This brings us to ye olde "Double Vote Conundrum" from back when double votes were standard in games. Thing about DVs is, sometimes they nail us 2 mafia and we are happy. Sometimes they nail us a mafia and a town, and we're like "ok, cool, I guess." Most of the time, we lynch two town and basically give mafia a free extra kill. In a situation where we have confirmed scum (like a DT check or something), then this can be an alright thing to use. In our case on day 1, the other suspicious players were me (not scum), DropBear (probably not scum), Palmar kinda (not scum), and Rayzor (no clue). This is NOT a situation where we want to kill an extra person - we'd argue a bunch, probably settle on one of the 4 people above (most likely Rayzor, given how he almost got switched onto), and then... what? We'd have possibly 2 town dead for nothing, scum still gets to kill at night, we're one day closer to MYLO than we would have been. Someone's gonna say "But BrownBear, Sevryn was town! How dare you say an extra lynch would be a waste!" Yes, NOW that we know sevryn was town, we should have lynched someone else. DId we know sevryn was town at the time? No. The only person I saw who straight-up said Sev was town was Palmar, and I'm suspecting he just said that cause he was tunneled in on me and wanted everyone else to switch to me. Most other people either thought he was scum, or were convinced enough he could be scum to vote for him over a no-lynch. Towards the end of the day it got a little more vague with the switch, but clearly since everyone switched back, everyone preferred Sevryn to nobody, which is not the tack you'd take if you were 100% convinced sev was town. On August 21 2011 04:42 xtfftc wrote: In this case, ##Vote: Sevryn Now, let's proceed with a discussion of what actually matters. My gut says supersoft and QuickSilver but my gut is biased and wants those who go after me dead ^^ Although Supersoft being so cautious when defending Sevryn and yet so aggressive against me and his earlier bandwagonning is something worth remembering. I want to hear more from DropBear and BlackBear. I do not find DropBear particularly suspicious but he still has to answer the questions raised. BlackBear is suspicious (going too agressively against inactive players, some random accusations) and, unlike DropBear, is a target we might get a majority for. Hiro, judging by the OP I think we have about 6 hours left. This is a very random post. Supersoft and QS is a bit of an OMGUS, which he admits. His post about the Bears (it's BrownBear btw ^^ ) contains nothing to back up his accusations, which are wrong to begin with (wasn't going aggressively against inactives at all, posted in ONE POST "hey we should look at the guys who have only posted a few times and have contributed nothing", then Palmar jumped down my throat and made it seem like it was this huge thing that was the centerpiece of my evil plan to mislead and destroy town). Also, there was no chance I was gonna get lynched at that point. Whatever tho bro, continue to sheep along different paths without ever contributing your own ideas. On August 21 2011 07:46 xtfftc wrote: Would you pick a non-lynch instead of lynching Sevryn? Raises the concept of a no-lynch (this was in the period where everyone was thinking "wait a minute what if Sev's just dumb town?). On August 22 2011 23:12 xtfftc wrote: Sure. I'm still just as suspicious of Rayzor as I saw two days ago. His defense ("would a mafia say this?") did not convince me because he was in a position when he had to say something like this. However, just like to days ago, I think that he is someone who should be pressured to talk more until he makes another mistake or we are convinced he is town. Even if he is mafia, he is not particularly dangerous at the moment because he can not influence the town at the moment. This is why at the moment I'd go for Mig. Although he improved after his early post about Sevryn, he did not provide anything substantial. Also, although a lot of people casted their vote for Sevryn and then went to bed, Mig did it in in the middle tha attempted switch to Rayzor. This is true, he was the first to dump an accusation on Rayzor. Perhaps we should look at Rayzor more, now that I think about it. We did almost lynch him, after all. xtfftc does harp on his accusations of rayzor a LOT from this point out, so I'll gloss over the posts that are literally just "hey guyz i was the first to suspect rayzor did you know I still suspect him?" Although, he goes to mig as a better candidate. Let me highlight the part of his post that makes no sense to me: Also, although a lot of people casted their vote for Sevryn and then went to bed, Mig did it in in the middle tha attempted switch to Rayzor. So you're saying, instead of just voting and going to pass out, he voted late, then decided to switch for the guy you've been pushing all game... and this makes him scummy? I don't follow your logic at all, care to explain this one? After this post, it basically boils down to VE discovering xtfftc's big slip, and xtfftc frantically defending himself. VERDICT: He's focused a LOT on Rayzor and is "very suspicious" of him, but has always seemed to find a better lynch candidate (with really shitty logic usually, i might add.) His HUGE EFFING SLIP OMG is pretty damning - it seems he takes the "kill everyone and hope we hit mafia" approach, which I don't like one bit, because it's not a very town-favored viewpoint. He has yet to really contribute anything besides his Rayzor argument, and he hasn't backed that up too well. He's very comfortable sheeping along behind more vocal townies. He wanted stories that were already fully developed to "develop further". In short, he's very wary of putting his ass on the line, and he's using very misleading and bad logic, and he's slipped. I'm comfortable lynching him. ##Vote: xtfftc | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:40 Foolishness wrote: Wait a minute, you said that me using meta in my arguments was pointless and (for the most part) rampant speculation. But now you're voting for Hiro based on meta? WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD We need to be careful. I feel like there's enough disorganization that townies are making too many mistakes. We can't have red herrings fuck us in the ass from just having everyone be suspicious. Paranoia will make us unfocused, and that lets mafia win. For now, I propose that we focus on 3 or fewer lynch targets. At the moment, I think xtfftc has the strongest case. After, I would say we can make pretty good cases for both Mig and nard. Vain we can leave alone for now, we can't really build a case on him when he hasn't said anything to begin with. Once we hear some opinions from the players who currently aren't here I think we can get talking some more. | ||
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RayzorFlash
Canada253 Posts
On August 23 2011 06:25 hiro protagonist wrote: KK, my turn! what do you think of xtfftc? what about Mig? Thanks for the quality post... No regrets about keeping vote on you now... Xtfftc: I'm unsure... Some of his posts seem really scummy, but theres no obvious tell that makes me sure about him Mig: Leaning towards scummy... He had a few posts very aggressively against Sev, and then when it seemed secure that Sev was gonna be voted he switched to Chaoser based purely on meta in what would be a good setup by mafia for two mis-lynches | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
I have started catching up on the thread. It's a bitch. I didn't read the thread at all this weekend, which kind of fucked me over. If I'm not caught up tomorrow I'll ask for a replacement, because I don't want to be useless dead weight in the town. I don't know who the current lynch candidates are, but based on where I'm up to, xttcxtcttcxtcc would be there hopefully. Sorry again :< | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 23 2011 07:30 wherebugsgo wrote: We need to be careful. I feel like there's enough disorganization that townies are making too many mistakes. We can't have red herrings fuck us in the ass from just having everyone be suspicious. Paranoia will make us unfocused, and that lets mafia win. For now, I propose that we focus on 3 or fewer lynch targets. At the moment, I think xtfftc has the strongest case. After, I would say we can make pretty good cases for both Mig and nard. Vain we can leave alone for now, we can't really build a case on him when he hasn't said anything to begin with. Once we hear some opinions from the players who currently aren't here I think we can get talking some more. i totally agree with you. I was just about getting really paranoid. I don't understand the whole foolishness/mig/chaoser i know it's about meta etc. but why don't we just keep playing this out like usually. We have a pretty solid case against xtfftc based on his vote-patterns and his refuse to commentate on other suspects. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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