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On August 23 2011 07:14 hiro protagonist wrote:
Palmar, what is your opinion of xtfftc?
looking forward to what BrownBear has to say.
also, the following people need to chime in and give opinions:
Trotske
Lucidity
Munk-E
GreYMisT
nard
Pyo
Kurumi
I already stated earlier on that I no longer have the time I did and GMarshal is looking for a replacement. If you read my post from before day2 began you will see my opinion.
I'll restate it here.
On August 21 2011 12:22 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I think we need to take a look at nard again, he is my pick for top scum, along with rayzorflash.
here is a link to his filtered post. =http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=50551
Notice that 2 of his biggest posts are simply lists that serve no purpose. In fact nothing, he has said this entire game has seemed to serve any purpose whatsoever, most of them simply rehash what others have said. His major lynch target was sevryan, but switched to brownbear because
"as the situation didn't change too much since my last post and we have a whole lot of people on sevryn already i will support the votes for brownbear to make a last minute change at least possible - i plead you to read the case against him and his posts again and think again."
He references the reasoning provided by palmar, but provides none himself. All he said essentially was that "yea I know i think sevryan is town, but im going to vote for brownbear."
I dont know about you guys but I find this really fishy behavior. If you believe sevryan is mafia, y not vote for him? if i have my times correct we didn't even have a majority then.
##Vote: Nard
I feel nard is my bet to be scum atm. Vain and Xfftc also rate high on my list of scum. I posted an analysis of a post by xfftc early on. here it is as well:
On August 19 2011 10:45 GreYMisT wrote:I have to agree with the above post fingering xfftc. On page 7-8 he starts an argument about what it means to lurk in a game with new people. He is seemingly advocating lurking in this post below Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:03 xtfftc wrote:
Surely the Mafia is aware that open discussion is the ordinary citizens' strongest weapon and are thus likely to target those who are unafraid to speak their minds? A dictator always targets the means of communication: the media, the internet, etc. But in the below post he contradicts himself by saying that if 1 person doesn't post, we all lose. Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:03 xtfftc wrote:
Surely the Mafia is aware that open discussion is the ordinary citizens' strongest weapon and are thus likely to target those who are unafraid to speak their minds? A dictator always targets the means of communication: the media, the internet, etc. Threads like these only serve to create confusion, and are not a good sign on day one
Sorry I cant contribute more guys. Im trying to keep up with the thread as best as I can but dont have time to post usally. Until we get that replacement though, I will try to remain as active as possible.
so ##VOTE: NARD
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:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Guys, that's entirely beside the point. Meta is all you people listen to. METAMETAMETA. I bring up one post about meta and NOW you're scumhunting. NOW you're looking for contradictions in peoples' posts.
[sarcasm]Brilliant. I'm certainly more trusting of you now...[/sarcasm]
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Foolishness, hiro protagonist, Palmar, xtfftc.
BOOM Headshot.
Discuss.
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Give me an introductory period...hop on hiro protagonist. See where that lynch goes. If you don't like it, you can send back the rest of the list free of charge. But I have a feeling you'll be pleased.
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On August 23 2011 08:37 Palmar wrote:
xtfftc is not scum
Why do you say this?
Anything new on BB or is it your standard fare? I going to look over more of the posts as soon as I get home.
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United States4714 Posts
My activity this game has been a lot lower than most of my games. I am really burned out on mafia right now. I have played too many games recently and I am going to take a break after this game. I have to force myself just to actually read the thread. It is no excuse for my poor play but it is the truth. So if I am lynched because of it my apologies for sucking.
But is no one else seeing the extremely poor reasoning behind some of the people jumping on my bandwagon?
Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me
dropbear - First you say you are ok with hiro because he tried to lead the lynch off of sevryn. Wtf I was trying to get people to vote chaoser before the rayzor bandwagon even really got started. And you even agreed with me while I was trying to make it happen. You then proceed to vote for me without giving a single reason.
Varp - Did you even read my post about meta arguments or did you just intentionally ignore the meaning of it? I am not against meta arguments. I used meta arguments to help get you lynched in the last game we played together. I use meta pretty much every game I play. My entire point was foolishness' meta argument was trash and didn't actually show I was scum at all.
Curu - just a pure meta reason
Nobody has defended me at all this game. Has my play really been so scummy this game that if I were mafia not a single one of my team members would be willing to try and save me?
If am lynched because of my poor play it's my own fault but people should take a look at everything surrounding my bandwagon.
Anyway it doesn't appear I have any shot at convincing people to vote chaoser so I will write up a case on who I feel is the next scummiest in the next few minutes.
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I see it Mig, but I feel like most everyone you just listed is town...
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On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me
Sure I did. It was a coin flip between you and Vain. It was your late vote on Sevryn to hammer home a lynch when it was almost shifted to Rayzor.
Explain please.
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LOL maybe this is why there were feelings of paranoia.
I need to reread AGAIN. Thanks Mig. If you can, please answer Jackal.
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United States4714 Posts
On August 23 2011 09:24 Jackal58 wrote:
Sure I did. It was a coin flip between you and Vain. It was your late vote on Sevryn to hammer home a lynch when it was almost shifted to Rayzor.
Explain please.
Ok look at everything surrounding sevryn's lynch
A) I tried to shift the lynch onto chaoser before anyone was really trying to save sevryn at all.
B) I didn't need to hammer home a lynch on sevryn. We needed 16 votes for majority, Rayzor only got up to 10 votes he was never in any real danger of being lynched. I voted sevryn because I had thought he was scummy all day and if you look at rayzor's post about taking the blame if sevryn was green it would be an incredibly ballsy thing for a 1st time mafia player to say. I voted for which one I thought was most likely to be scum.
C) And the main point is if I am scum and I knew sevryn was green why was I going through this effort? Why did I post giving my reason for sticking with him over rayzor? Rayzor didn't need saving I could have just sat back silently and avoided drawing attention to myself.
People are convicting me for getting sevryn lynched when none of you even know if rayzor is red. And at least I was around to give my opinion on what I thought was the best play.
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Thank you Mig. The part that drew my attention to both of you was the voting 3 minutes apart from each other when both of you are next to invisible in the thread.
I have some thinking to do.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 23 2011 08:37 Palmar wrote:
I still think we should lynch brownbear.
All in due time my friend...all in due time
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On August 23 2011 10:02 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 08:37 Palmar wrote:
I still think we should lynch brownbear. All in due time my friend...all in due time
I don't like this 
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On August 23 2011 10:13 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:02 Foolishness wrote:On August 23 2011 08:37 Palmar wrote:
I still think we should lynch brownbear. All in due time my friend...all in due time I don't like this
If it's any consolation I think you're all scummy.
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Last question for Mig: other than chaoser, who do you find scummy? What do you think of xtfftc, hiro, nard?
Once we get this I think I'll be ready to put together another post summing my ideas together.
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United States4714 Posts
I know some people are going to cry omgus omgus vote here but I wanted to go back and look through all the posts of the people jumping on my bandwagon first. And dropbear looks extremely scummy to me. Here are the points against him
1) His play at the start of the game. Dropbear starts the game off with fluff posts concerning no lynches and his mayor thing. While palmar is attacking him and generating actual discussion that can be used to find scum, db is deflecting the discussion onto unrelated subjects. And as soon as soon as palmar calls him out on this db tries to turn it around and tries to actually take credit for getting discussion started. When really he has done 0 scum hunting and all his posts are bland ways to look like you are contributing.
2) Contradictions. Look at some of these quotes by db.
On August 21 2011 07:32 DropBear wrote:
I WOULD LIKE TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST
- Voting sevryn just because. No reasoning given.
On August 21 2011 07:49 DropBear wrote:
- I think the case against Mig is at this point non-existent
Ok so he wants to lynch hiro for not giving reasons for his sevryn vote, he also thinks there is no case against me. Then this is his post where he votes me on day2.
On August 23 2011 04:25 DropBear wrote:Ok so I'm ok with hiro now, he tried to lead the lynch off sevryn who flipped town so he gets brownies, at least temporarily. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 04:15 supersoft wrote:
i just saw, mig already stacked 3 votes on him. Like I said earlier, I don't trust him etc. but for me it's too early to lynch him. Do show me where! If you don't trust him, why not lynch now? ##Vote Mig
Gives absolutely no reasons for voting me even though he had said earlier there was no case against me huh? What changed your mind dropbear? He also states he is fine with hiro now for trying to deflect the sevryn lynch when I had done the exact same thing.
3) Activity. Don't look at the amount of posts DB has overall but look at when he is active. He was extremely active right at the start of day 1 posting where he has a bunch of fluff and tried to claim town cred for it. However what about after that? He pretty much disappears then shows up right before the end of day 1 makes 2 short posts attacking hiro and chaoser and disappears. So he introduced 2 new candidates right at the end of the day BUT didn't stick around to actually push for their lynches. He knew sevryn was going to flip green and didn't want to get any backlash from it so instead he posted a couple short cases against people not in danger of being lynched and then vanished to let the town argue amongst themselves. And what about day2? We are 24 hours in and db has one post. This is classic mafia activity. Active right at the start of the game where he is trying to buy town cred for himself but once we get deeper in and real analysis starts he is completely MIA.
So seriously look at DB's posts and ask yourself what his motivations are. Has he put any effort into scum hunting? Does he care if town makes the correct decisions? No. He comes in posts a ton at the start to buy credit but afterwards he basically sits out of the sevryn lynch, doesn't push for the people he actually thinks are scummy to be lynched at all and then on day2 he votes for me because it is a chance to jump on a bandwagon to get a strong town player lynched even though he had said earlier there was no case against me.
#Vote Dropbear
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On August 23 2011 07:08 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 06:58 Curu wrote:
Seriously where are you Mig? Yeah I can understand that you're pissed at Personality, I'm pretty put off too, but if you're Town help us win this game.
If you're scum, feel free to continue. You were in DrH's experimental game with Mig. Does anything about his behavior this game resemble that game?
I don't even remember tbh, I was trolling that entire game and trying to get Coagulation lynched.
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Oh there's Mig, re-read time.
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Mig, what's your opinion on Hiro?
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