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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 23 2011 01:45 GMT
#961
He must save the cheerleader to save the world.
wat
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#962
Mig, may I take your accusation of DropBear to me that you think xtfftc is townie?
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#963
EBWOP: to mean*
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 23 2011 01:51 GMT
#964
Palmar thinks xtfftc is townie.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 23 2011 01:52 GMT
#965
On August 23 2011 10:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Last question for Mig: other than chaoser, who do you find scummy? What do you think of xtfftc, hiro, nard?

Once we get this I think I'll be ready to put together another post summing my ideas together.


I think db/chaoser are both hella scummy.

hiro - has contributed nothing but seems much more active than when I played with him in AA and he was scum. His posts also feel more bold to me, he was a lot more reserved and skittish before. So leaning town.

nard - scummy lurker, has a couple of posts where he just writes one line about a bunch of different subjects and contributes nothing. He only has like 4 posts though and he is very new but I would lean scum towards him.

xtfftc - initial posts I thought were extremely scummy. His first vote of palmar also was extremely suspect and wishy washy. He has a ton of posts where he doesn't seems to want to take a stand and several times he dodges questions people ask him. I would lynch him next if no one agreed with db/chaoser.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 23 2011 01:52 GMT
#966
On August 23 2011 10:46 Foolishness wrote:
Mig, may I take your accusation of DropBear to me that you think xtfftc is townie?


hm no why? Is there a connection I have missed between them?
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 23 2011 01:54 GMT
#967
On August 23 2011 10:52 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 10:46 Foolishness wrote:
Mig, may I take your accusation of DropBear to me that you think xtfftc is townie?


hm no why? Is there a connection I have missed between them?

Errr no, it's just because xtfftc seems to be a big candidate for lynch (I'm still not entirely sure how his attitude is scummy) so I thought you would vote for him just in case everyone wanted to kill you.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 23 2011 01:55 GMT
#968
I made the case against DB because I thought he was the most likely to be scum.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 23 2011 01:57 GMT
#969
On August 23 2011 10:28 Mig wrote:
I know some people are going to cry omgus omgus vote here but I wanted to go back and look through all the posts of the people jumping on my bandwagon first. And dropbear looks extremely scummy to me. Here are the points against him

1) His play at the start of the game. Dropbear starts the game off with fluff posts concerning no lynches and his mayor thing. While palmar is attacking him and generating actual discussion that can be used to find scum, db is deflecting the discussion onto unrelated subjects. And as soon as soon as palmar calls him out on this db tries to turn it around and tries to actually take credit for getting discussion started. When really he has done 0 scum hunting and all his posts are bland ways to look like you are contributing.

2) Contradictions. Look at some of these quotes by db.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 07:32 DropBear wrote:
I WOULD LIKE TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST


- Voting sevryn just because. No reasoning given.



Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 07:49 DropBear wrote:

- I think the case against Mig is at this point non-existent


Ok so he wants to lynch hiro for not giving reasons for his sevryn vote, he also thinks there is no case against me. Then this is his post where he votes me on day2.

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 04:25 DropBear wrote:
Ok so I'm ok with hiro now, he tried to lead the lynch off sevryn who flipped town so he gets brownies, at least temporarily.

On August 23 2011 04:15 supersoft wrote:
i just saw, mig already stacked 3 votes on him. Like I said earlier, I don't trust him etc. but for me it's too early to lynch him.

Do show me where! If you don't trust him, why not lynch now?

##Vote Mig


Gives absolutely no reasons for voting me even though he had said earlier there was no case against me huh? What changed your mind dropbear? He also states he is fine with hiro now for trying to deflect the sevryn lynch when I had done the exact same thing.

3) Activity. Don't look at the amount of posts DB has overall but look at when he is active. He was extremely active right at the start of day 1 posting where he has a bunch of fluff and tried to claim town cred for it. However what about after that? He pretty much disappears then shows up right before the end of day 1 makes 2 short posts attacking hiro and chaoser and disappears. So he introduced 2 new candidates right at the end of the day BUT didn't stick around to actually push for their lynches. He knew sevryn was going to flip green and didn't want to get any backlash from it so instead he posted a couple short cases against people not in danger of being lynched and then vanished to let the town argue amongst themselves. And what about day2? We are 24 hours in and db has one post. This is classic mafia activity. Active right at the start of the game where he is trying to buy town cred for himself but once we get deeper in and real analysis starts he is completely MIA.

So seriously look at DB's posts and ask yourself what his motivations are. Has he put any effort into scum hunting? Does he care if town makes the correct decisions? No. He comes in posts a ton at the start to buy credit but afterwards he basically sits out of the sevryn lynch, doesn't push for the people he actually thinks are scummy to be lynched at all and then on day2 he votes for me because it is a chance to jump on a bandwagon to get a strong town player lynched even though he had said earlier there was no case against me.

#Vote Dropbear





On August 23 2011 10:52 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 10:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Last question for Mig: other than chaoser, who do you find scummy? What do you think of xtfftc, hiro, nard?

Once we get this I think I'll be ready to put together another post summing my ideas together.


I think db/chaoser are both hella scummy.

hiro - has contributed nothing but seems much more active than when I played with him in AA and he was scum. His posts also feel more bold to me, he was a lot more reserved and skittish before. So leaning town.

nard - scummy lurker, has a couple of posts where he just writes one line about a bunch of different subjects and contributes nothing. He only has like 4 posts though and he is very new but I would lean scum towards him.

xtfftc - initial posts I thought were extremely scummy. His first vote of palmar also was extremely suspect and wishy washy. He has a ton of posts where he doesn't seems to want to take a stand and several times he dodges questions people ask him. I would lynch him next if no one agreed with db/chaoser.



Thanks, Mig.

I think this sheds some light on what's been happening today. Firstly, town needs to seriously reevaluate ALL suspects. Right now we have a lot of votes on xtfftc. I feel like the case is still strong, but we need to go back and reaffirm our votes. It's also vitally important that we have a viable second choice. I'm going to look into DB's posts, and whoever else's name has popped up over the past few hours (and that's quite a few people.)

I think what has happened over the past 24-48 hours is that mafia has stood by while the town has misled itself. I think some information has been mafia-influenced. We have a large number of relatively inactive/lurking players. Since there are so many lurking players and 6 mafia, we have no idea how many mafia are hiding.

Palmar thinks xtfftc is townie. If more of you think he is town as well, please state your cases. Right now I don't really know why Palmar should be taken seriously on this matter. Personally I won't until he actually refutes the evidence against xtfftc and provides an answer to the question I posed to him a little while ago.

For a second choice, I'm willing to go with nard. We need some more information, IMO, on DB/chaoser before we can lynch them. It might be in our best interest to just let them live till tomorrow. If anyone disagrees, please come forth.

I'll be back shortly with my thoughts on some of the players I didn't mention last time, and my reevaluations of things I think I got wrong before.



Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 23 2011 02:14 GMT
#970
I'll be down to lynch chaoser for his general uselessness and jumping all over the OMGUS vote onto Mig (leaning more towards the scum being him now).

Vain is someone we should look at, I have no idea why Palmar thinks xtffc is Town.
wat
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 23 2011 02:20 GMT
#971
My scum-list is long. And hard.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 23 2011 02:34 GMT
#972
On August 23 2011 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Foolishness, hiro protagonist, Palmar, xtfftc.

BOOM Headshot.

Discuss.

Heading by the policy known as "VisceraEyes's mafia list is always wrong" we can safely say we have 4 confirmed townies now.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 23 2011 02:37 GMT
#973
Ok, this post needs some serious love:

On August 23 2011 10:28 Mig wrote:
I know some people are going to cry omgus omgus vote here but I wanted to go back and look through all the posts of the people jumping on my bandwagon first. And dropbear looks extremely scummy to me. Here are the points against him

1) His play at the start of the game. Dropbear starts the game off with fluff posts concerning no lynches and his mayor thing. While palmar is attacking him and generating actual discussion that can be used to find scum, db is deflecting the discussion onto unrelated subjects. And as soon as soon as palmar calls him out on this db tries to turn it around and tries to actually take credit for getting discussion started. When really he has done 0 scum hunting and all his posts are bland ways to look like you are contributing.

2) Contradictions. Look at some of these quotes by db.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 07:32 DropBear wrote:
I WOULD LIKE TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST


- Voting sevryn just because. No reasoning given.



Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 07:49 DropBear wrote:

- I think the case against Mig is at this point non-existent


Ok so he wants to lynch hiro for not giving reasons for his sevryn vote, he also thinks there is no case against me. Then this is his post where he votes me on day2.

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 04:25 DropBear wrote:
Ok so I'm ok with hiro now, he tried to lead the lynch off sevryn who flipped town so he gets brownies, at least temporarily.

On August 23 2011 04:15 supersoft wrote:
i just saw, mig already stacked 3 votes on him. Like I said earlier, I don't trust him etc. but for me it's too early to lynch him.

Do show me where! If you don't trust him, why not lynch now?

##Vote Mig


Gives absolutely no reasons for voting me even though he had said earlier there was no case against me huh? What changed your mind dropbear? He also states he is fine with hiro now for trying to deflect the sevryn lynch when I had done the exact same thing.

3) Activity. Don't look at the amount of posts DB has overall but look at when he is active. He was extremely active right at the start of day 1 posting where he has a bunch of fluff and tried to claim town cred for it. However what about after that? He pretty much disappears then shows up right before the end of day 1 makes 2 short posts attacking hiro and chaoser and disappears. So he introduced 2 new candidates right at the end of the day BUT didn't stick around to actually push for their lynches. He knew sevryn was going to flip green and didn't want to get any backlash from it so instead he posted a couple short cases against people not in danger of being lynched and then vanished to let the town argue amongst themselves. And what about day2? We are 24 hours in and db has one post. This is classic mafia activity. Active right at the start of the game where he is trying to buy town cred for himself but once we get deeper in and real analysis starts he is completely MIA.

So seriously look at DB's posts and ask yourself what his motivations are. Has he put any effort into scum hunting? Does he care if town makes the correct decisions? No. He comes in posts a ton at the start to buy credit but afterwards he basically sits out of the sevryn lynch, doesn't push for the people he actually thinks are scummy to be lynched at all and then on day2 he votes for me because it is a chance to jump on a bandwagon to get a strong town player lynched even though he had said earlier there was no case against me.

#Vote Dropbear





This is the best case posted yet IMO.

I really don't like this post by Jackal:

On August 23 2011 09:24 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:

Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me

Sure I did. It was a coin flip between you and Vain. It was your late vote on Sevryn to hammer home a lynch when it was almost shifted to Rayzor.

Explain please.


Coinflip sure, but why Mig? If Town he is undoubtedly the stronger player than Vain. Mig had actually tried to start something about chaoser earlier, whereas Vain jumped in with an absolutely nonsensical post that was complete flip-floppery over Sevyrn/Rayzor yet conveniently landed his vote on Sevyrn and disappeared. He has also shown no interest or contributing or scumhunting, only in defending himself. Vain for sure looked worse than Mig and Mig is for sure the more dangerous player against Mafia. Yet you chose to put your votes on Mig when there was a wagon building up on him from Foolishness/chaoser rather than pursuing Vain. Can you explain this more?

xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip?????

chaoser is a mostly meta argument but he has been so useless this game. His vote is an OMGUS onto Mig and he's done no real scumhunting or Town contributions of his own.

Vain:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=53652

0 contributions on day 1, a quickvote on Sevyrn when people were talking about scum likely avoiding the thread. He's become a bit more active now that people suspect him, but with still no relevant contributions. Plunks his top suspect as nard, where it can lie uselessly.

DropBear wasn't even on my radar (I thought it was just something Palmar was doing to draw reactions) but Mig's post is excellent. I don't think a chaoser lynch will happen today, but I think any of Vain, xtfftc, or DB are great lynches for today. The Mig/xtfftc wagons ran concurrently, so one may be a case of scum trying to push a diversion wagon.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 23 2011 02:39 GMT
#974
Oh and ##Vote xtfftc
wat
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
August 23 2011 02:40 GMT
#975
I've had a couple complaints about excessive spam from people, so i would appreciate it you people would keep the spam down to a minimum. Thank you kindly, and please don't make me have to say it more rudely ^_^
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 23 2011 02:42 GMT
#976
Curu did you just say my case against db is the best in the thread then vote for xtfftc? Wtf?
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 23 2011 02:43 GMT
#977
Man I don't want to have to defend xtfftc I hope he comes back soon
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 23 2011 02:44 GMT
#978
Thanks GM, jesus christ guys, this is a mafia game thread, not friggin' instant messenger. I've read the previous pages and they're basically different people asking other people one liner questions followed up with the other person answering with one line and then the first person going, wait, i have some follow up questions. I'm getting a headache just trying to piece together who is asking who what and who is answering who with what and WHAT THE FUCK is being said. This ain't PM, keep the spam to a minimum. Jut had to get that out of the way first.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 23 2011 02:45 GMT
#979
Yes. Your post is excellent and needs love, but I still feel more strongly about xtfftc, especially given the timing of the two wagons. Your post did prod me to consider DB in a new light, and I encourage everyone to read the case and do the same, but I'm still leaning harder scum on xtfftc.

Hey chaoser, got any RELEVANT things to say? You know, about the people in this game. You still think your vote should lie on Mig?
wat
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 23 2011 02:46 GMT
#980
Just had to get that out of the way first.


Just had to get that out of the way first.


Just had to get that out of the way first.


Just had to get that out of the way first.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
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