EPTThe casters are far less than par if you want analysis.
Nobody below mid masters should cast imo. I can't stand casters with terrible game knowledge.
It's appalling.
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TyrionSC2
United States411 Posts
The casters are far less than par if you want analysis. Nobody below mid masters should cast imo. I can't stand casters with terrible game knowledge. It's appalling. | ||
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malady
United States600 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On December 27 2012 02:27 FreudianTrip wrote: Nope. TB and Husky have been shitting up SC2 tournaments for years now. Them criticizing these guys is a joke. They are at least known, and lots of people like them. Whiplash and Snm have nearly no experience (I understand Snm has some recasting PL or something). TB and Husky has done a lot for SC2 over the past few years, despite what some haters are willing to admit. | ||
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dubRa
2165 Posts
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On December 27 2012 02:52 Zenbrez wrote: They are at least known, and lots of people like them. Whiplash and Snm have nearly no experience (I understand Snm has some recasting PL or something). TB and Husky has done a lot for SC2 over the past few years, despite what some haters are willing to admit. Furthermore, they've grown into good casters over the last two years, the keyword being grown. Proleague (two years into Starcraft 2's existence) is not the place to be growing talent from scratch. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On December 27 2012 02:46 TyrionSC2 wrote: The casters are fine if people want play by play. The casters are far less than par if you want analysis. Nobody below mid masters should cast imo. I can't stand casters with terrible game knowledge. It's appalling. Whiplash was GM lol | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
I personally enjoy a lot totalbiscuit casts, not because he knows about the game but because listening to him actually brings something to the stream, because he's a professional caster. His elocution and sense of hype make games enjoyable to me, especially when paired with an analytical caster. I also love artosis, apollo and day9 because of their analysis, that doesn't necessarily learns you things, but still is interesting to listen to. They also all have great personalities, and it's rare you won't smile or laugh several time watching streams they cast. When I don't like a caster, I just mute him, cause I don't need someone to explain me how the game goes anyway. Because I watch the games, and what interests me the most is how people plays, not listening to guys that I may or not like. And even less hating on them on forums. That's so annoying to see so many thread shitting on casters just because people love drama and feel important when they post hating on them, explaining that they are so good at the game that they can spit on TB or husky. TL:DR; If you love sc2, watch the games. Mute if you don't like the cast, cause you're watching for the game/players anyway, not the guys talking. Nobody cares if you know sc2 better than someone else. | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
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Hundisilm
Estonia99 Posts
On December 26 2012 19:39 Waxangel wrote: so apparently there's a terrible-casters guild that agrees not to criticize each other, but gangs up on newcomers alright, so that's exaggerating somewhat - inc and husky have improved a lot since NASL S1 and the SC2 beta days, respectively. But I can't be the only one who finds the act of holding PL up on some pedestal in order to take down two newcomers somewhat distasteful and hypocritical. All the polite language in the world doesn't mask that. I think it was kind of their point that they were people are bad in the beginning and Proleague shouldn't be the place where they learn their trade? They probably shouldn't start from main streams of any bigger tournaments probably. You might argue that as casters they shouldn't voice their opinions (not in public), but they probably do have a more closer perspective on the caster issue compared to an average forum poster (which kind of makes their perspective valuable). Saying that they are holding up PL just to take someone down seems a bit cynical to be honest (a bit too far maybe?). Do you agree or disagree with the argument though (should Proleague be using rookie casters) regardless of whether other caster should talk about it? You should not have a conflict of interest in that respect so it should be ok for you to have an opinion on this? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 27 2012 03:04 dubRa wrote: Why don't we all shut up and provide some constructive criticism for SNM and Whiplash so that everybody can benefit. SNM needs to work on enunciation and articulating thoughts. There's many different online guides like this one as well as video series on improving enunciation. Articulating thoughts will improve with more confidence and experience. People can criticize TB and Husky for being play-by-play casters, but there's no denying that they handle the technical speaking aspect better. There are many other casters, however, who would benefit from better enunciation. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 26 2012 20:10 Waxangel wrote: don't care about what happens to snm and whiplash, and I don't care whether what inc and others in this thread are saying is right or wrong. i just think it's low of other casters to publicly undermine others after a long history of never calling each other out Kind of ironic isn't it? They're calling each other out for the same things they were guilty of lmao. Perhaps they need a little reminder. It needs to be squashed. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
, or if casting is easy as I read few pages ago, why don't you go ahead and cast? Because I have better things to do, and even if I did.. It's not like I want then be hired to cast PL, so that's a terrible argument. But I agree, I don't care how knowledgeable the casters are, since I don't need them to explain everything to me, I already understand it all. It comes down to the voice of the caster, do I like listening to them, or do they give me a headache? Things of course they can't really control with improvement, it's just who that are as people. Lately I have been muting some streams and found myself enjoying the games more | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On December 26 2012 19:39 Waxangel wrote: so apparently there's a terrible-casters guild that agrees not to criticize each other, but gangs up on newcomers alright, so that's exaggerating somewhat - inc and husky have improved a lot since NASL S1 and the SC2 beta days, respectively. But I can't be the only one who finds the act of holding PL up on some pedestal in order to take down two newcomers somewhat distasteful and hypocritical. All the polite language in the world doesn't mask that. Am I the only one absolutely gobsmacked that a TL employee has the audacity to spout such bullshit? This thread is fucking toxic and a TL employee is leading the way, holy shit. Want to know what's literally killing eSports? This. The inability to discuss things like adults without resorting to tit-for-tat ad hominem wankery. You know who is in a really good position to criticize casters? Other casters. Most of the people in this thread know next to nothing about how to cast an event, only what they personally want from their casters which is going to vary from person to person. Zero experience in events or the business behind eSports leads to fairly poor quality feedback. You wanna know the reason why some casters are talking about this issue? Because it's in our best interests not to see Proleague fall flat on it's arse. The more Kespa realizes that the foreign audience is actually important, the better off the scene will be. What happened when they switched out casters? A 50-75% drop in audience that hasn't recovered yet. Like it or not prominent casters have an audience of their own that they can bring to the table. Remember when tournaments would get half the views if they didn't have Tastosis or Day[9] casting? That was a while ago but the effect is still there to a lesser degree, particularly when you're watching a bunch of unfamiliar Koreans in a strange format. If you lose your audience because you don't have a casting duo that can keep them, you're in trouble. Kespa as a result views the foreign audience as unimportant, stops cooperating with foreign organizations and we get back into a BW-esque situation of foreigners becoming a niche that's not catered to. It benefits nobody. Yeah, I can totally understand the problem with getting an experienced casting duo. The gig is actually terrible. The amount of money offered was not enough to pay any regular event caster and the setup was less than ideal. Casting at 4am was not that fun. However the ability to speak fluent English and cast well with your partner is important to pretty much every listener ever, regardless of their preferences and Proleague is not the place to practice that. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
I think the current PL casters could develop into something great. They aren't great right now and they know it and everyone knows it. As PL goes through this rough time, I can't help but feel proud of the rest of the world, a pride which perhaps only veteran BW fans could understand, a pride grown from the ashes of nearly a decade of KeSPA (and its predecessors) being the be-all and end-all while the rest of the world was nothing. We had an opportunity to develop and we did. We developed so much that there are a dozen or more established commentators who couldn't be convinced to take the PL job. I really don't mean anything negative by this post. I can see how it can be taken that way but I really want to emphasize that we have created value. It's only in light of the great value that we have created that PL seems to be stumbling in its first steps on the scene. I welcome them to the scene and invite them to compete to be the greatest show on earth  | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 27 2012 03:29 TotalBiscuit wrote: Am I the only one absolutely gobsmacked that a TL employee has the audacity to spout such bullshit? I'm not, cause Wax spouts a lot of bullshit in live threads all the time, so it's nothing new for him. It's his gimmick to make snarky and inane comments all the time about pro players or anybody in general on here and on twitter. | ||
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
On December 27 2012 03:29 TotalBiscuit wrote: Am I the only one absolutely gobsmacked that a TL employee has the audacity to spout such bullshit? Am I the only one gobsmacked that TB is taking a forum post, totally over-reacting about it and then being a dick about it? Yes, yes I am. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On December 27 2012 03:32 Canucklehead wrote: I'm not, cause Wax spouts a lot of bullshit in live threads all the time, so it's nothing new for him. It's his gimmick to make snarky and inane comments all the time about pro players or anybody in general on here and on twitter. Well said. Absolutely spot on. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On December 27 2012 03:32 FreudianTrip wrote: Am I the only one gobsmacked that TB is taking a forum post, totally over-reacting about it and then being a dick about it? Yes, yes I am. I doubt anyone who says "TB AND HUSKY HAVE BEEN SHITTING UP TOURNAMENTS FOR YEARS" has any worthwhile opinion to share. | ||
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