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ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 13:49:33
December 26 2012 13:48 GMT
#841
On December 26 2012 22:40 proofy wrote:
The casters for proleague are awful. Seems like kespa literally asked them in twitch chat, "Hey want a job?".


Better than Doa plus LOL caster combo clearly, if Doa is widely praised, why are these two getting so much shit from people?
Searching for my twin ling brother.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
December 26 2012 13:55 GMT
#842
On December 26 2012 22:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 22:40 proofy wrote:
The casters for proleague are awful. Seems like kespa literally asked them in twitch chat, "Hey want a job?".


Better than Doa plus LOL caster combo clearly, if Doa is widely praised, why are these two getting so much shit from people?

Doa and that other guy actually know how to cast, and are good at it. The guys they've got on now have no idea what they're doing, and it shows. The fact that you even posted what you did is extremely confusing.
Blind Io
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom56 Posts
December 26 2012 14:02 GMT
#843
I would personally love to see Jorosar casting Proleague, I think he's worked hard and paid his dues. IMO he did an great job at Dreamhack (even tweet casting the game when the stream went down) and at IEM. He is strides ahead of whiplash and SNM in both hype/personality and game knowledge/analysis, plus he has no other contractual commitments with any other events.
TaeJa GOAT
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 14:09:01
December 26 2012 14:02 GMT
#844
On December 26 2012 22:55 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 22:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On December 26 2012 22:40 proofy wrote:
The casters for proleague are awful. Seems like kespa literally asked them in twitch chat, "Hey want a job?".


Better than Doa plus LOL caster combo clearly, if Doa is widely praised, why are these two getting so much shit from people?

Doa and that other guy actually know how to cast, and are good at it. The guys they've got on now have no idea what they're doing, and it shows. The fact that you even posted what you did is extremely confusing.


Doa and the other guy know nothing about proleague, fail to recognize some very famous players, even worse than TB and Mr. Bitter combo at this aspect. Mr. Bitter knows famous players at least. And if you compare game knowledge, a noob plus a LoL casters compared to a Korean and a former progamer combo is no contest. What else can Doa combo offer? English is not an issue, since new combo are both American citizens probably, at least Korean guy's family is in Jersey, don't know it is his native language or not. Even if Korean guy's language is not perfect, his translation and talking to progamers give him the edge in language aspect.

Searching for my twin ling brother.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
December 26 2012 14:09 GMT
#845
On December 26 2012 23:02 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 22:55 forsooth wrote:
On December 26 2012 22:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On December 26 2012 22:40 proofy wrote:
The casters for proleague are awful. Seems like kespa literally asked them in twitch chat, "Hey want a job?".


Better than Doa plus LOL caster combo clearly, if Doa is widely praised, why are these two getting so much shit from people?

Doa and that other guy actually know how to cast, and are good at it. The guys they've got on now have no idea what they're doing, and it shows. The fact that you even posted what you did is extremely confusing.


Doa and the other guy know nothing about proleague, fail to recognize some very famous players, even worse than TB and Mr. Bitter combo at this aspect. Mr. Bitter knows famous players at least. And if you compare game knowledge, a noob plus a LoL casters compared to a Korean and a former progamer combo is no contest. What else can Doa combo offer? English is not an issue, since new combo are both Americans probably, at least Korean guy's family is in Jersey, don't know it is his native language or not.


All of us who watch Proleague and know its history don't need some caster to offer us deep and insightful commentary (which the two clowns they have now don't even do) nor do we require them to recognize every single progamer the instant they appear on camera. What matters is being well spoken, being able to do good play by play, and being professional. How do you think it looks when someone unfamiliar with SC2 tunes in and hears some person constantly stuttering, enunciating poorly, randomly yelling, and generally behaving like a poorly socialized nerd on stream? Right now, that's exactly what we've got and it's terrible. Absolutely terrible. I know that a few prominent members of the community who have posted in this thread are trying to be diplomatic about it, but I can't be bothered when the casting is this bad. It's honestly a joke.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
December 26 2012 14:13 GMT
#846
The arguments that "it should be really good casters" don't really hold water when a guy like Tasteless can just umm and uhhh his way through a cast and generally be terrible at his job but untouchable because he has earned that right. What does this hypothetical new viewer think of him? No one seems to care, not one of the caster cabal speaking out would ever utter his name, because it's Tasteless. Why are these casters held to a standard old casters simply aren't?
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 26 2012 14:16 GMT
#847
Haha I like it, Terrible caster Guild. Will remember that term.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
December 26 2012 14:17 GMT
#848
On December 26 2012 23:13 floor exercise wrote:
The arguments that "it should be really good casters" don't really hold water when a guy like Tasteless can just umm and uhhh his way through a cast and generally be terrible at his job but untouchable because he has earned that right. What does this hypothetical new viewer think of him? No one seems to care, not one of the caster cabal speaking out would ever utter his name, because it's Tasteless. Why are these casters held to a standard old casters simply aren't?

Dont worry, its highly unlikely Tasteless will cast for proleague, since you dislike him so much
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
December 26 2012 14:19 GMT
#849
On December 26 2012 23:09 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 23:02 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On December 26 2012 22:55 forsooth wrote:
On December 26 2012 22:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On December 26 2012 22:40 proofy wrote:
The casters for proleague are awful. Seems like kespa literally asked them in twitch chat, "Hey want a job?".


Better than Doa plus LOL caster combo clearly, if Doa is widely praised, why are these two getting so much shit from people?

Doa and that other guy actually know how to cast, and are good at it. The guys they've got on now have no idea what they're doing, and it shows. The fact that you even posted what you did is extremely confusing.


Doa and the other guy know nothing about proleague, fail to recognize some very famous players, even worse than TB and Mr. Bitter combo at this aspect. Mr. Bitter knows famous players at least. And if you compare game knowledge, a noob plus a LoL casters compared to a Korean and a former progamer combo is no contest. What else can Doa combo offer? English is not an issue, since new combo are both Americans probably, at least Korean guy's family is in Jersey, don't know it is his native language or not.


All of us who watch Proleague and know its history don't need some caster to offer us deep and insightful commentary (which the two clowns they have now don't even do) nor do we require them to recognize every single progamer the instant they appear on camera. What matters is being well spoken, being able to do good play by play, and being professional. How do you think it looks when someone unfamiliar with SC2 tunes in and hears some person constantly stuttering, enunciating poorly, randomly yelling, and generally behaving like a poorly socialized nerd on stream? Right now, that's exactly what we've got and it's terrible. Absolutely terrible. I know that a few prominent members of the community who have posted in this thread are trying to be diplomatic about it, but I can't be bothered when the casting is this bad. It's honestly a joke.


Not all of us know proleague history, I bet over half of the viewers never watched proleague before this season.

Imo, Doa is terrible at being professional, there is example of that we all know. About casting edge you are mentioning, Doa provides no insights to the game, best he can do is play by play calling. Korean guy and a former progamer provide much more insights to the game and players. The edge you mentioned for Doa combo are all subjective, nothing objective.

Searching for my twin ling brother.
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
December 26 2012 14:37 GMT
#850
I kind of agree with the poster above me. People are calling out the new casters over stuff that other casters do as well, however its only a problem when its whiplash/SNM (?) but not anyone from the "established" casters . I for one prefer the new guys already much more than Khaldor and wolf or TB with anyone. KeSPA never had to cater to a foreign audience and they are also figuring out the best way to approach this. Some people pointing to gom- Kelly or moletrap anyone? I didnt have anything in particular against them (maybe Kelly) but the amount of hate thrown around was probably even bigger, yet now gom is at a point where majority seems to be satisfied with the casting setup. Whats to say it wont be the same for PL. To majority of people PL is just another new tournament because they were not around during the BW scene, and so please stop over exaggerating its current "prestige" as an excuse to bash on casters.

Thats why i completely agree with Waxangel. Why are established casters bashing newcomers while pretending they are not? What has changed that all of a sudden they became so vocal and are voicing "their concerns" about specific casters when they have never (?) done it in the past. I understand that the SC2 market may be shrinking, and with it the amount of events that are in need of casting duos, but I still think its better overall to PM them some good casting advice, and not look out for their own self interest. I know it would be sweet for incontrol to get a casting gig with the EGTL partnership from his cozy home in the US, get paid without moving anywhere down the line like he probably would, but this is not the way to go about the situation.

TLDR: Give them some time, they will get better (as always) and stop the blind circlejerking. Casters be more like you always are, dont cockblock your friends in the casting craft.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10128 Posts
December 26 2012 14:46 GMT
#851

On December 26 2012 23:02 Blind Io wrote:
I would personally love to see Jorosar casting Proleague, I think he's worked hard and paid his dues. IMO he did an great job at Dreamhack (even tweet casting the game when the stream went down) and at IEM. He is strides ahead of whiplash and SNM in both hype/personality and game knowledge/analysis, plus he has no other contractual commitments with any other events.


personally i dont have anything against the currents casters, i will wait for some improve but what Blind said is also true, Jorosar would be a good choice, i have heard him in some tournaments and imo he is a good caster and one of te better in this new pack of casters that are coming out.
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 15:00:22
December 26 2012 14:55 GMT
#852
You know, I wouldn't mind EG.Azael casting since he went back to Canada at the end of the EGMC (I felt he deserved to cast the finals as he had put so much work into it). He had made a twitter post that something regarding negotiating his contract. I don't know what he has in mind in terms of professional gaming and how that might influence this possibility though.

I find the criticism unfair that the casters have formed an alliance against new competition in their business. There is little justification for attacking the character of the people involved instead of their qualifications since there is no evidence they're losing opportunities with new people coming to the scene.

That said, I don't know what will happen with SNM and SPL and I would like to see the community at least try to be constructive if SNM is going to stay in place. I would like to see a few threads diplomatically and clearly outline what's wrong and what he can do to improve. Its silly that I have to keep the stream on mute but not because its 2AM.
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
December 26 2012 15:28 GMT
#853
I can't believe they didn't give EG-TL the casting gig... It was really quite good the week that they did.

I bought a $5 season pass when EG-TL was casting, and I know it's only $5 and still definitely worth it, it's kind of disappointing that I have to watch one of my favorite leagues with the sound muted T_T.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 26 2012 15:49 GMT
#854
On December 26 2012 19:39 Waxangel wrote:
so apparently there's a terrible-casters guild that agrees not to criticize each other, but gangs up on newcomers

alright, so that's exaggerating somewhat - inc and husky have improved a lot since NASL S1 and the SC2 beta days, respectively. But I can't be the only one who finds the act of holding PL up on some pedestal in order to take down two newcomers somewhat distasteful and hypocritical. All the polite language in the world doesn't mask that.

You probably are the only one tbh.
Refer to my post.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
December 26 2012 16:03 GMT
#855
On December 26 2012 23:13 floor exercise wrote:
The arguments that "it should be really good casters" don't really hold water when a guy like Tasteless can just umm and uhhh his way through a cast and generally be terrible at his job but untouchable because he has earned that right. What does this hypothetical new viewer think of him? No one seems to care, not one of the caster cabal speaking out would ever utter his name, because it's Tasteless. Why are these casters held to a standard old casters simply aren't?

Whatever he lacks in analysis and colour commentary, he more than makes up for it with his chemistry with Artosis imo.

I've seen Artosis cast with many people, including Grubby which was fucking amazing, but frankly I feel that the overall effect is best when he's with Tasteless.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
December 26 2012 16:27 GMT
#856
As far as I'm concerned, I'm ok with SNM and whiplash. They will only improve meanwhile online cast is very limited and has very few margin of improvement. Plus I don't mind hearing new voices, the more people the better for the industry. I understand Inc&Co are jelly and are trying to defend what used to be their oligopoly, but having only a couple of "proven" casters is not good in the long term, the more competition the better for the fans. If SNM and whiplash end up being not good enough at the end of PL, they will be naturally fired and replaced by other ones who are willing to move to seoul. If you think PL is the holy league, you can not ask for online cast because it's simply bad.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 16:53:51
December 26 2012 16:49 GMT
#857
On December 27 2012 01:27 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, I'm ok with SNM and whiplash. They will only improve meanwhile online cast is very limited and has very few margin of improvement. Plus I don't mind hearing new voices, the more people the better for the industry. I understand Inc&Co are jelly and are trying to defend what used to be their oligopoly, but having only a couple of "proven" casters is not good in the long term, the more competition the better for the fans. If SNM and whiplash end up being not good enough at the end of PL, they will be naturally fired and replaced by other ones who are willing to move to seoul. If you think PL is the holy league, you can not ask for online cast because it's simply bad.

Please expand on how online cast is limiting and "has very few margins of improvement" compared to none online cast regarding learning, I particularly would like you to explain the parts I quoted.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Virtue
Profile Joined July 2010
United States318 Posts
December 26 2012 17:22 GMT
#858
I think out of all of the casters who have casted Proleague, I have enjoyed Doa and MonteCristo the most. Even when good, well known casters like Bitter and TB casted, it didn't feel as exciting or as fun as when two people actually there were casting it.
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 17:29:00
December 26 2012 17:27 GMT
#859
On December 27 2012 00:49 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 19:39 Waxangel wrote:
so apparently there's a terrible-casters guild that agrees not to criticize each other, but gangs up on newcomers

alright, so that's exaggerating somewhat - inc and husky have improved a lot since NASL S1 and the SC2 beta days, respectively. But I can't be the only one who finds the act of holding PL up on some pedestal in order to take down two newcomers somewhat distasteful and hypocritical. All the polite language in the world doesn't mask that.

You probably are the only one tbh.

Nope. TB and Husky have been shitting up SC2 tournaments for years now. Them criticizing these guys is a joke.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
December 26 2012 17:35 GMT
#860
It is unfortunate. I can tell the current casters have a lot of enthusiasm... but I just don't like them as much as Doa. Sorry. He's got good showmanship & a naturally talented voice. Kespa is just shooting themselves in the foot here. I'll watch less & won't get the ticket with this kind of a stream. Not saying it isn't worth it - just not to me.

Too bad.
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