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On January 06 2012 09:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 09:34 Jackal58 wrote:On January 06 2012 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Erandorr, at the time of this post, has not posted here in about 23 hours.
Jackal, at the time of this post, has not posted here in just under 24 hours.
Mr Wiggles, at the time of this post, has not posted here in over 24 hours.
xsksc, at the time of this post, has not posted here in WELL over 24 hours.
Can we get some replacements?
No you can't. Get over your self important self. I have a job. And it's not asking if you'd like fries with that order. When I'm here I'll read the thread and post my opinions and vote accordingly. When I'm not here I'm working or paying bills or fixing shit my wife broke. Mafia is not my career it's how I choose to spend my leisure time. Some days I have more of it than others. I will post every day. When time permits you'll be sick of seeing me. When work permits I'll post from there. Today was not one of those days. So get over it. How am I supposed to know if you've legitimately left the thread or not? Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 15:39 Zona wrote:
- You most post in the thread at least once every 24 hours. Your role may also include other activity requirements which you must follow. Look I can't tell if you have a job or you're busy or whatever, but if you just disappear for 24 hours people are gonna wonder where you've gone. Mafia is obviously second-place to work, sleep, life, etc, but I'd appreciate it if I KNEW IF YOU WERE STILL HERE. That's all.
How can I possibly let you know that? I have over an hour commute each way and work a 10 hour day. I leave at 6 am and get home at 6:45 pm. Some days at work I have absolutely nothing to do and am able to post here. Some days my services are required. You have no way of knowing by the frequency of my posts. You have to rely on the contents of my posts.
And right now I'm calling Palmar scum.
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Blazinghand
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On January 06 2012 09:51 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 09:39 Blazinghand wrote:On January 06 2012 09:34 Jackal58 wrote:On January 06 2012 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Erandorr, at the time of this post, has not posted here in about 23 hours.
Jackal, at the time of this post, has not posted here in just under 24 hours.
Mr Wiggles, at the time of this post, has not posted here in over 24 hours.
xsksc, at the time of this post, has not posted here in WELL over 24 hours.
Can we get some replacements?
No you can't. Get over your self important self. I have a job. And it's not asking if you'd like fries with that order. When I'm here I'll read the thread and post my opinions and vote accordingly. When I'm not here I'm working or paying bills or fixing shit my wife broke. Mafia is not my career it's how I choose to spend my leisure time. Some days I have more of it than others. I will post every day. When time permits you'll be sick of seeing me. When work permits I'll post from there. Today was not one of those days. So get over it. How am I supposed to know if you've legitimately left the thread or not? On December 28 2011 15:39 Zona wrote:
- You most post in the thread at least once every 24 hours. Your role may also include other activity requirements which you must follow. Look I can't tell if you have a job or you're busy or whatever, but if you just disappear for 24 hours people are gonna wonder where you've gone. Mafia is obviously second-place to work, sleep, life, etc, but I'd appreciate it if I KNEW IF YOU WERE STILL HERE. That's all. How can I possibly let you know that? I have over an hour commute each way and work a 10 hour day. I leave at 6 am and get home at 6:45 pm. Some days at work I have absolutely nothing to do and am able to post here. Some days my services are required. You have no way of knowing by the frequency of my posts. You have to rely on the contents of my posts. And right now I'm calling Palmar scum.
On December 28 2011 15:39 Zona wrote:
- You most post in the thread at least once every 24 hours. Your role may also include other activity requirements which you must follow.
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Blazinghand
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So, our chief reasoning for Palmar being scum is his relative inactivity? Palmar is an aggressive scumhunter D1 whenever he is town, and today he has been largely unaggressive and not scumhunting on par with his usual-- as though he's holding something back. Is this an accurate characterization of the Palmar case?
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On January 06 2012 09:53 Blazinghand wrote:
So, our chief reasoning for Palmar being scum is his relative inactivity? Palmar is an aggressive scumhunter D1 whenever he is town, and today he has been largely unaggressive and not scumhunting on par with his usual-- as though he's holding something back. Is this an accurate characterization of the Palmar case?
Not inactivity for me. He's not being his normal aggressive self, but beyond that, he's been very timid in his posting, both in tone and content, and he has yet to actually push a scum read in the thread while trying to push around a relatively new player for doing the same thing. Beyond that, go read my case. Vote for him if you agree, he's scum.
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On January 05 2012 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 11:42 Bluelightz wrote:Blast me with questions now im available again!  ! :/ it's not my responsability to make you do the right thing. At some point you will make a post with more than 2 lines, and when that day comes, the heavens shall be rent asunder in agony and anguish unlike any ever known before. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts:
Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. You claim "everyone" is tunneling the lurkish newbie, but I don't see anyone tunneling bluelightz. Like, I think that question is just... false. I have vigorously questioned him and voted him, but I don't think anyone else has done anything remotely like tunneling him. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote:it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? Who are you quoting here? Cause I don't know who you're quoting. It looks like you might be quoting me but man would it kill you to say who you're quoting? In any case, Bluelightz is still being terrible. Hopefully he'll pick up the pace presently. My goal isn't to kill him unless he's scum. However, his current posting habits are entirely unacceptable. I will not stand for this, I will not sit for it. Not on a plane or on a train or in a house or with a mouse.
"everyone tunnelling him" was a poor choice of words on my part, hyperbole. What I really wanted to say was, and I'm sure many would agree, that making a "good, solid case" on someone on the first third of the first day, when most of the players haven't even posted yet, on someone who seems obviously newbie and not experienced as mafia, is not going to happen. It was a bad case.
Blazinghand wrote
You are aware that demons have the same effective KP as angels right ._. every other night they "kill" two town votes with corruption, one by a townie no longer being able to vote, and one by the demons getting an extra vote. Look, just lynch hella mafia and our problem here is solved anyways. More lynching more win.
I don't agree with this exactly, but ok, yes, obviously we should lynch anyone mafiaish. The point I was trying to make is that thereocrafting the setup provided a nice way to open up conversation about the game, especially in day 1. We were all thereocrafting setups and strats, including you blazinghand.
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Non committal
For now, I don't have a lynch target.
I want Palmar to start posting.
Syllo, it was this post where I expressed I wanted to look at Palmar. Maybe it sounds non-committal to you, but it's pretty clear to me that I was wanting to take a closer look at him.
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risk.nuke wrote
What I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town.
Even though I approve of strategy talk to give us something to talk about day 1 this doesn't fit. This is just empty. There is nothing here that can be of used by town or be discussed about. Fluff.
Firstly, of course I'm trying to look town. I believe someone said somewhere before, but establishing yourself as town should be the goal of every townie.
My strat discussion was as empty as the thread was prior to me posting it. We can agree that yes, it's pretty much practically useless, yes, I have addressed that. I just don't see how anyone could put that as mafia-ish.
Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown?
"Everyone not tunneling" is as I said before, a poor choice of words. But yes, I tried to come to bluelightz defense because I do not want a day1 lynch to be wasted, again, on some halpless newbie who turns up green/blue like always. And yes, obviously I want to get some town cred.
The rest of the post is...
"fluff"
"I don't have a lynch target"
"I Want palmar to start posting"
"I want palmar to start posting" <-- "I want to take a closer look at Palmar if he dosen't start posting more"
+ Show Spoiler + This is just a stall post imo. He confirms he knows he is beeing looked at but doesn't write much for a defense. Instead he just says that tomorrow he'll write something usefull.
Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him.
It was 2 freaking am and I was beat when I came back from the party. And it obviously wasn't a lie that I was going to sleep because if you look at my other games, I NEVER EVER EVER post during those times because, guess what, I was asleep. I am so mad that I'm still getting flak for this, after three games.
risk.nuke, I think this was one of the worse case by you. I think you're just trying to find a lynch target and make some half-assed case so you appear town as well (gasp cwidt).
In fact, I'm pretty suspicious of you right now. In election mafia, on the first day, you were not afraid to be aggressive, outspoken, obnoxious. You do not try to cook up shitty cases if you don't have one. Instead, you just post stuff like these;
+ Show Spoiler +Also GiygaS is scummy bastard. Todays lynches I would like one of these two. Graymist and GiygaS. Though there is a dilemma. I am more sure on Graymist then on Giygas and we'll learn more from Graymists flip then Giygas. Against Graymist probably beeing a more valuable townie then Giygas.
No convoluted cases, just a straightforward, "I trust my own reads" kind of post.
syllo, I started the post about 2 hours ago. I share what I want to share when I want to share it. Don't try and control me and please don't try to meta me. All my games I have a different style because I play varying of my mood.
Well, haven't played more than a game with you so I can't tell if this is true or not. At the moment it seems like a cop out to me.
So yes, to answer your question, if I were to shoot someone now, it would be you.
(More posts inc after breakfast)
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Tyrran
/in
And the game is on.
I'll start with some basic guidelines about mafia :
O NOT BANDWAGON. Please always gives a reason for you vote. More importantly dont vote without thinking about just because 5 other players already voted.
*BUILD STRONG CASE WHEN SCUMHUNTING. This game is about convincing other people, not yourself. dont expect people to follow your vote if dont build a strong case.
EFEND YOURSELF. Even as town, you migth get FoS'ed or have a case build up against you. Please dont go troll mode, dont call everyone dumb, but instead defend yourself and tell us what was going through your mind. This is your best chance of not being lynched.
Not following these basic guidelines is what screwed town over in the steamship mafia. Follow them to maximize our chances to win this game.
Going to lunch now, I'll post about the specificities of the setup later today.
Ok, sure, filler post, but whatever, start of day 1, generates discussion.
Okay, first of all, as many people already have stated, the angel of Death should be our first target. Not only does he hold the angel KP, but the main issue for me is that The roles and alignement of his victim is NOT revealed. This does not seem to be the case if the other Angels use the slay ability.
Restating what other people stated, useless practically, but ok, many people including me did discuss about this.
Reffalen
On January 04 2012 17:59 Refallen wrote:
Not to mention that while angels CAN kill demons, it hardly seems optimal for them. With 11 town and only 3 of each faction, for angels to kill off demons would just mean that town will have an easier time. I think that we can consider the scenario of angel and demon killing each other therfore, highly improbable.
I would like him to explain this statement. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me. Actually it looks more like he is saying "hey angels, please dont shoot demons". In practice of course killing all the demons is pretty good for the angels as they would not have to worry about them getting a lot of votes through corruption. And a blue is not more threatening than a demon for an angel.
So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ?
I was pointing out how as town we cannot rely on angels to kill demons as it is not game-optimal for them. And I don't see how you can see "much drawback" for them in doing this. If angels all devoted their night-time actions to killing demons for example, by day 4, obviously town will have a huge advantage because there's only 3 scum left.
So yeah, pretty shitty ass case on me. So back to you. Basically, you have had 2 posts discussing the setup, objectively useless in scumhunting. But you know that's ok, that's not mafiaish (yet, but if people keep doing this throughout the day then it's a scumtell imo)
Says we should ignore Palmar/syllo banter? Completely disagree. Syllo obviously had a really good reason for pushing Palmar, and to say you want to completely disregard it is pretttttty bad/scummy. Looks almost like you're soft-defending Palmar tbh.
Leaning scummy on Tyrran
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I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case.
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I have leaning town reads on syllo, blazinghand, layabout.
And yes, before anyone points out, I am now AGAIN suspicious of Palmar (after, as I said in my post 8 hours ago, rereading the thread again), mainly because of Tyrran's soft defense, as well as the cases Wiggles and Jackal made, both of whom I am leaning town on, and both of whom are better players than me. Furthermore, if Palmar flips red I think we should definitely go after Tyrran next.
So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first.
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On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first.
Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary.
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xsksc is warned for 36 hours of inactivity. As in Steamship Liquidia, warnings are handed out for a 36 hour period of inactivity, or multiple 24 hour periods of inactivity. Anyone who has been warned and continues to be inactive will then be replaced at my discretion.
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On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first. Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary.
Yes, but there is a difference in which one I want to lynch FIRST. I don't see where that scum accusation came from, I really don't.
With that said though, you're probably right that we should lynch the better scum player first, which is Palmar (I'm assuming).
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Updated list of reads:
Blazinghand, Leaning Town: From the way he is posting I assume that he is Town
Cwave, Null: His post's contain pressure to Dirkzor discussion about strategy
Dirkzor, Null: When comparing his post's from Mr.Wiggles Mini and Here he acts differently, In Mr.Wiggles Mini he analyzes
other people's post, etc that is town Dirk. But here, he discusses Strategy,etc but this is a new/ diffrent setup
Errandor, Null: Lurking he has not contributed in any way so i cannot determine his alignment
Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me.discussing about the lurkers in this game. and responding to accusations by HoD
HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers
Jackal58, Null: He votes for Palmar because of meta.
Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion
Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content.
Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself.
RebirthOfLeGenD, Null/FoS: Lurking cannot determine alignment but, he had 6 hours after he started to post in the thread
Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers, also his suspicions on Palmar and risk.nuke
risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot so, Null
syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others.
Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment
xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting
Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy
For now, I want the lurkers to start posting.
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Fucking null team is gonna kick our fucking asses all over the place.
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@Grackaroni:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 09:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick. He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum. He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts. All but two of my posts as of when you said this occurred while I was one of 5 people with posts in the game. Clearly I shoulda been scum hunting hard with all that info in the thread. I also did not and do not want a lurker lynch today. I wanted Palmar and Erandorr to start contributing, and the thread was fairly inactive at the time, so I thought bringing up a more controversial idea like lynching a couple veteran players might help get things moving, or at least get them contributing a bit more. Also, please don't use my first game ever to establish a meta on me. I've obviously adjusted my play since then. Try checking out Steamship or Election (as TotallyNotTwoPeople, starting game day 2 for when I basically began playing solo) to get a better meta read on me. That's basically one of the reasons I'm suspicious. You post a lot at the start and then when scumhunting begins you disappear, not that you didn't scumhunt at the start. The only meta I got from you was that you seemed like somebody who posted a lot and spent a lot of time scumhunting in that game. I should have looked into more recent games but what's wrong with letting me think that of you? Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 05:50 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 06 2012 05:39 risk.nuke wrote:On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@risk.nuke
Isn't carefree play usually a townie trait? How does seeming carefree implicate bluelightz? The "everyone looks town!" is surely incriminating, but I am not finding the carefree being incriminating. Why would town get nervous when accused? They know they are innocent. Explaining themselves, yes, but I know I get annoyed, not nervous. It depends. If you are having a single one or two people accusing you, you get annoyed. Like I am now now with syllo. Or example in steamship prplhz tried to get me lynched on a bad case. I got annoyed. Then there are situations where you have a majority of people looking suspiciously at you. You've likely messed up and done something to justify their suspicions but you need to defend yourself. If you mess up town mislynch you. There is a situation I would be nervous in. Hmm, a fair point I suppose, but he had about as many people saying he was a bad lynch as he had saying he was a decent target, so I still don't know how much nervousness that would really induce. Also, an accusation from syllo is more likely to be a death-sentence than an accusation from someone like grackaroni or blazinghand, so I would think that would be more of the nervousness inducing suspicion... :-) @Grackaroni Could you please explain why you are using your previous game experience with bluelightz, where he was scum, to influence your opinion of how useful he may end up being as town in this game? Things like that along with your poorly constructed case on me certainly aren't looking very good to me so far, but I'll be checking out your previous games to see what kind of standard you should be held to when it comes to your use of logic/case building. the first part of your quote strikes me the wrong way because I get the feeling that you just wanted to downplay my abilities, you don't care if I accuse you and think my opinion should be worth less than a veteran like syllogism. You've done nothing to change my mind, the only person you call scummy is me and your reasoning is that you think my case against you is shitty + you add in my opinion of bluelightz which I don't think you would have even mentioned if I didn't accuse you. Next you make some posts about people lurking and leave. You haven't been scumhunting but you keep giving me reasons to believe that you have lots of time to do so : [previous game with lots of scumhunting and posting, early signup, post a lot on strategies at the start of the game (early to find out it started too) quick to see my post and has time to defend yourself] You're definitely holding back in your posting. Yes, I give your opinion less weight than I give syllo's. If you want to change that, be correct as often as he is over the course of many games. I am often around, as I work from a computer all day, but my availability fluctuates. I found out about this game through a PM for early signups from Zona, so yes I found out about it pretty early, I don't see what that has to do with anything. If you check when I usually start posting during the day, you will find that it is often around the time you posted your accusations against me. I am not holding back in my posts, I just like to get at least something from everyone before I really start making judgements. If you actually cared, you could easily look up my more recent play and you'd find that I tend to ask a lot of questions during games and I don't usually do a ton of case-building day 1 and realize your meta-argument is useless. If you think inactivity is a scum tell for me, be sure to read day 1 of election mafia. I did roughly nothing, I was town. Basically what I am trying to say is, you are wasting time/effort tunneling me and I'd appreciate it if you put in the effort needed to realize that. Speaking of asking questions, you ignored my question regarding bluelightz.
Anyway, on to more useful topics. Re: Palmar
I agree that his lack of activity is suspicious and rather out of the ordinary for him, but I am wondering if it is worthwhile to risk lynching a potentially very strong scum-hunter on the grounds of not caring this early into the game. I know of at least one other game where he didn't take day 1 very seriously (XVIII I think it was?). If that is the only one, than obviously his play so far is more damning than if he does this every so often. If any of the vets could fill me in on whether or not he has messed around day 1 in other games as well it would be appreciated. I'd also like to hear syllo's opinion on the matter, since if I am not mistaken syllo is usually quite good at reading Palmar. (If I am mistaken, feel free to correct me)
@Refallen
You seem more aggressive/bold in your defense than the past two games of yours that I just took a quick look back at. Have any explanation in particular for that?
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Bluelightz, if you havent got your clue from our previous posts, a full null list is useless. Don't do it. If you want to post a list, post a list of players you think are scum, not a read on every single player. Keep these to yourself, because they don't help at all.
I agree that Palmar looks waaay too calm, too passive if you want. That's not the usual dayvig-claiming Palmar that I'm used to, not the usual president-Palmar I'm used to. And certainly not the aggressive town Palmar I'm used to. The only reason I see for a town Palmar to do that is that he would want to avoid getting shot n1, but any decent scum team will shoot him n1 regardless unless he is actually disruptive(which he is pretty capable of being, tbh). Either way, this Palmar is too passive.
Ten are required for a lynch. Depending on reactions tomorrow I'll vote him.
However, Refallen.
if Palmar flips red I think we should definitely go after Tyrran next.
Care to elaborate the connection between Palmar flipping red and Tyrran becoming a target?
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Hi Harbringer, yes actually, there is. I've been wanting to play more aggressive since I kinda got tired of being forced to passively defend in election mafia. I made several references to this in both election mafia and in this thread I think.
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On January 06 2012 12:34 Refallen wrote:
Hi Harbringer, yes actually, there is. I've been wanting to play more aggressive since I kinda got tired of being forced to passively defend in election mafia. I made several references to this in both election mafia and in this thread I think.
Ah, you are correct. My apologies, I tend to not pay attention to pre/post game posts for determining a player's meta, for obvious reasons.
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I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing.
Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first. Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary.
This is just fearmongering.
@Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum.
And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse.
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Hey Zephirdd, what is your opinion of Grackaroni and of Tyrran so far?
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Zeph, as I said, i feel like Tyrran is soft-defending Palmar.
risk.nuke, Yes, I'm still learning on how to best do that. But, please, before you suspect me any further, read my above posts and see what you think. I believe that has some actual content.
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I'm not reading anything that long tonight, it's 5 am and I'm only up because sweden are fucking bosses at hockey!!
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Gackaroni's vote decision was bad, as I don't think you should just throw votes in the air because of emotions or something like that.
Not only that, he says to be suspicious only give a real reason later. However, in my eyes this is just bad posting and lack of organization; not scummy.
Tyrran hasn't done anything too bad in my eyes either, except maybe for the "ignore the palmar/syllo stuff". He has only four posts which is the normal for town Tyrran(form my experience on Steamship, he tends to have few posts, but good posts). No, I don't think he looks bad.
Either way, that doesn't mean either of these look good for me. I hate to say I have null reads, but I guess these are more of "I'm on the fence" than "I don't know". Either player could be scum, but I'd need more posts and positions from them to get a solid read to either side.
Either way, gotta wake up in 8hours; and I hate to sleep less than 10 hours. Go figure, teenager's body. 'Night y'all.
By the way, we are lynching someone tomorrow. Day1 no-lynch gives little for town, where even a mislynch will help us start tracing scum much better.
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