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On January 06 2012 04:18 risk.nuke wrote:
syllo, I started the post about 2 hours ago. I share what I want to share when I want to share it. Don't try and control me and please don't try to meta me. All my games I have a different style because I play varying of my mood.
Even disregarding meta, you've been reading the thread for 24 hours and then come up with a carefully crafted post containing nothing original; it's literally just a recap of everything that has been said about these people. EVERYTHING. This is typical mafia behaviour because they've a harder time producing original content due to knowing that people are innocent. Your post does nothing to further town's goals and you don't commit to lynching any of them. Granted in a two scum team setup it's a bit easier but scum are still much more likely to play like that. The post also appears to lack the common anxious behaviour townies exhibit because they have to produce a good lynch out of nothing.
Further, I think the meta argument is quite strong, judging by your post history.
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Blazinghand
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Dude Syllo don't you know risk.nuke is just in an unhelpful mood this game don't pay attention to his meta  PPP
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Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
Blazinghand quit floating around and write something helpfull yourself.
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So in conclusion
##vote risk.nuke
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On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick. He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum. He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts.
All but two of my posts as of when you said this occurred while I was one of 5 people with posts in the game. Clearly I shoulda been scum hunting hard with all that info in the thread. I also did not and do not want a lurker lynch today. I wanted Palmar and Erandorr to start contributing, and the thread was fairly inactive at the time, so I thought bringing up a more controversial idea like lynching a couple veteran players might help get things moving, or at least get them contributing a bit more. Also, please don't use my first game ever to establish a meta on me. I've obviously adjusted my play since then. Try checking out Steamship or Election (as TotallyNotTwoPeople, starting game day 2 for when I basically began playing solo) to get a better meta read on me.
@risk.nuke
Isn't carefree play usually a townie trait? How does seeming carefree implicate bluelightz? The "everyone looks town!" is surely incriminating, but I am not finding the carefree being incriminating. Why would town get nervous when accused? They know they are innocent. Explaining themselves, yes, but I know I get annoyed, not nervous.
@jackal, erandorr, xsksc and RebirthOfLeGenD
Planning on doing...anything? Posting things would be appreciated.
@refallen
In election mafia I was only able to clear you on the basis of you figuring out exactly what scum had done in several situations when pointing it out was solely detrimental to scum. That is not the most reliable way of establishing your innocence if you are in fact town. Do you have a lynch target yet?
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I think you are mafia. Me pushing you ruins nothing even if you are somehow town and your post was some sort of elaborate scheme, which is quite ridiculous given that you were just repeating what other people have said.
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Atleast dignify me with pointing out where everything I said I was just copying others because that is not true.
I wasn't anxious because I didn't think you were seriously suspecting me. You're just beeing shallow and lazy.
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Grackaroni:
In this post his writes a pile of nothing to call HoD scum. my comments have been italicised
On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick. He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) -a completely null tellAt the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. -asking to not reveal game winning strategies for the other team is weird for town?this strikes me as counter-intuitiveIn Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him -no scumhunting halfway into day 1, applies to a large number of players in this game and isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do.Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum. He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts. -here he accepts HoD's early posting is null tell-he offers weak "meta analysis" based off of a single game-decides to wait for more information, likely because the case isn't strong enough to justify voting
Here, he decides that the person that he thinks should die right now, which is equivalent to his best lynch target for now is not HoD but Bluelightz
On January 06 2012 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
As for the Palmar question I would shoot Bluelightz because he could easily be mafia, there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something.
However the lynch is used for Information as well as killing scum, it wouldn't give the most information but more than I previously thought as a lot of people seem split on whether he is scum or not.
Question for Syllogism, Why do you dislike lynching BlueLightz?
Is it because you have gotten a town read on him, (if yes plz do share), or was it just because of the way I presented his lynch.
Says he would lynch bluelightz mostly because "there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something" which is an awful reason to kill a player.
On January 06 2012 04:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:23 Blazinghand wrote:
If I knew 100% Bluelightz was town, I'd be focusing other players.
There's a difference between saying I wouldn't mind if he is town and it might be good to kill, just because even if he is town he could be useless.
"Oh but Blazinghand I am grackaroni and have no understanding of nuance please explain"
Oh, Grackaroni, you are always so self-derprecating. Here I will help you.
If Bluelights is lynched and flips scum, that would be sweet.
If Bluelightz flips town, i'm gonna mind a lot. I'm gonna be pissed because he played like shitty dick. It will still have been the right move to have lynched him based on the info we had, and even if he is town, you have to admit he's useless-- indistinguishable from scum and actively hurtful if he, somehow, lives to LYLO.
So I guess my question for you, Captain Grack Sparrow, is, do you really think I'd be happy lynching a townie day 1? Or do you think I'm just willing to accept the consequences of my actions, like a goddamn man, make a case, like a goddamn man, and ACTUALLY VOTE AND DO STUFF.
fine. ##Vote: HarbingerofDoomBut with that I am off, Will be back in a few hours though, I promise 
votes that we lynch and kill a player other than the player he said he would most like to kill 2minutes earlier
this is a glaring contradiction. I cannot understand why he would post such a thing as town.
a universe in which those actions make sense would be a universe that sucks big ol' hairy BearBollocks.
It seems that he could have decided to vote because Blazinghand told him to do something and he responded by voting, but all i can see is weak/barely even reasoning behind him thinking HoD is scum and nothing of worth to justify a vote. I do not think we should let players vote for such bad reasons. I think the vote is scummy.
Does anybody thing his defence in this post is adequate? ( i do not )
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On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@risk.nuke
Isn't carefree play usually a townie trait? How does seeming carefree implicate bluelightz? The "everyone looks town!" is surely incriminating, but I am not finding the carefree being incriminating. Why would town get nervous when accused? They know they are innocent. Explaining themselves, yes, but I know I get annoyed, not nervous.
It depends. If you are having a single one or two people accusing you, you get annoyed. Like I am now now with syllo. Or example in steamship prplhz tried to get me lynched on a bad case. I got annoyed. Then there are situations where you have a majority of people looking suspiciously at you. You've likely messed up and done something to justify their suspicions but you need to defend yourself. If you mess up town mislynch you. There is a situation I would be nervous in.
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On January 06 2012 05:39 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@risk.nuke
Isn't carefree play usually a townie trait? How does seeming carefree implicate bluelightz? The "everyone looks town!" is surely incriminating, but I am not finding the carefree being incriminating. Why would town get nervous when accused? They know they are innocent. Explaining themselves, yes, but I know I get annoyed, not nervous. It depends. If you are having a single one or two people accusing you, you get annoyed. Like I am now now with syllo. Or example in steamship prplhz tried to get me lynched on a bad case. I got annoyed. Then there are situations where you have a majority of people looking suspiciously at you. You've likely messed up and done something to justify their suspicions but you need to defend yourself. If you mess up town mislynch you. There is a situation I would be nervous in.
Hmm, a fair point I suppose, but he had about as many people saying he was a bad lynch as he had saying he was a decent target, so I still don't know how much nervousness that would really induce. Also, an accusation from syllo is more likely to be a death-sentence than an accusation from someone like grackaroni or blazinghand, so I would think that would be more of the nervousness inducing suspicion... :-)
@Grackaroni
Could you please explain why you are using your previous game experience with bluelightz, where he was scum, to influence your opinion of how useful he may end up being as town in this game? Things like that along with your poorly constructed case on me certainly aren't looking very good to me so far, but I'll be checking out your previous games to see what kind of standard you should be held to when it comes to your use of logic/case building.
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On January 06 2012 05:24 risk.nuke wrote:
I wasn't anxious because I didn't think you were seriously suspecting me.
Anxious about finding scum, a reference to your big post rather than your reaction to my accusation
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- You most post in the thread at least once every 24 hours. Your role may also include other activity requirements which you must follow.
And that's the bare minimum, not the recommended amount. Seriously people, this feels like a maybe 8 player game with some random cameo appearances thrown in.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 06 2012 06:37 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +- You most post in the thread at least once every 24 hours. Your role may also include other activity requirements which you must follow. And that's the bare minimum, not the recommended amount. Seriously people, this feels like a maybe 8 player game with some random cameo appearances thrown in.
Who are you addressing? Call them out.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 06 2012 04:56 risk.nuke wrote:
Blazinghand quit floating around and write something helpfull yourself.
Ah yes you're right clearly i'm not comitting, making cases and being helpful maybe I should be like you when I grow up.
Oh no wait that's not convincing anyone. People in this thread are not oysters with their heads in the sand, man.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
EBWOP: Ostriches. People are not ostriches
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On January 06 2012 06:54 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 06:37 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:- You most post in the thread at least once every 24 hours. Your role may also include other activity requirements which you must follow. And that's the bare minimum, not the recommended amount. Seriously people, this feels like a maybe 8 player game with some random cameo appearances thrown in. Who are you addressing? Call them out.
Well, most people in this game. I pointed out the 4 worst offenders here:
@jackal, erandorr, xsksc and RebirthOfLeGenD
Planning on doing...anything? Posting things would be appreciated.
But people like mr wiggles, tyrran, zephirdd, cwave, and I am sure there are some others as well, would also be nice to hear more from.
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On January 06 2012 07:00 Blazinghand wrote:
EBWOP: Ostriches. People are not ostriches
i <3 this post
What do you make of Grackaroni?
What do you make of my "case" against him
+ Show Spoiler +
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 06 2012 07:21 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 07:00 Blazinghand wrote:
EBWOP: Ostriches. People are not ostriches i <3 this post What do you make of Grackaroni? What do you make of my "case" against him + Show Spoiler +
Grackaroni is a largely noncommittal semi-lurk who deserves the scorn of women and the hatred of men. If he somehow made it into the history books, the world would look back upon him and shudder with violent grief.
Your case against him is fine. I want to see what he does. Inb4 noncomittal Grack is noncomittal.
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thread is feeling pretty dead
if only there was a way to make xsksc Jackal58 and RoL and Erandorr post...
i have to go sleep soon
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