On January 06 2012 09:16 Erandorr wrote:
Ya I probably should post sometime soon but I am really tired and want to sleep soon. If anyone has any question for me just go ahead, I will provide content of my own tomorrow.

This guy should be shot during the night.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 10:37 GMT

#442

What do you think about risk.nuke

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 06 2012 10:41 GMT

#443

I think he's too much of an asshole to flip scum. In addition, he called me the best player in the game, so that's townie points.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 10:43 GMT

#444

Really? Filter him in election, then filter him here and look at his one big post and his first two replies to me

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 06 2012 10:48 GMT

#445

Can't you just point it out to me?

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 06 2012 10:52 GMT

#446

If you're too lazy I'll have a look later, I just don't wanna read another ton of posts after catching up with this game since yesterday.

Do you not want to lynch wiggles? Did you read my omgus case?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 10:53 GMT

#447

Uh you could just read what I said about him earlier. Are you reading the thread? Were you really busy yesterday? Anyway, look how little he has posted and how different his play is so far from his election mafia's wacky aggressive style. His only case post is a compendium of things already said by others.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=76576

Does this response feel genuine to you? Could he possibly believe what he is saying

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13007613

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 10:55 GMT

#448

It's quite possible that wiggles is scum, but considering you don't particularly appear to care about the game, I'm hardly sold based on your "wiggles possibly can't be this bad!" case. Do you think I'm town? Why don't you care about who I think is scum?

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 06 2012 11:08 GMT

#449

I kinda lean town-ish on you. I'm not sure though, at least you look useful for now. If you're scum, you've at least stepped it up since last game. (for those that don't know I was mafia traitor, and since syllo was so obvious scum day 1, my breadcrumb to the mafia was simply to call syllogism obvious town).

Since I've only played with you as scum once where I haven't known you're scum, and figured it out in like half a day, I'm just gonna assume you're town for now.

I do care, I was asking you to point out the meta, not the stuff in this thread, I guess I can go to election mafia and read his day 1 later. The read I had on him was "worthless, unsure it makes him scum". I was hoping you'd explain the meta so I don't have to think.

The particular response you linked is correct and I agree with what risk.nuke is saying (there is actually no need to commit to a lynch) however, it's useless if he himself doesn't actually generate any discussion which he hasn't done. In addition, he claims to have had some sort of a plan? agenda? which is at best terrible, at worst scummy. There seems to actually be nothing to that plan.

I'd like to hear him at least explain what the hell he was hoping to achieve by it.

The reason I'm a bit on the fence about him is this:

On January 06 2012 04:18 risk.nuke wrote:
syllo, I started the post about 2 hours ago. I share what I want to share when I want to share it. Don't try and control me and please don't try to meta me. All my games I have a different style because I play varying of my mood.

It's just... cocky enough to probably not be scummy. I guess I wouldn't mind him being shot.

Did you actually read the parts where wiggles says things that are straight up wrong?

Cwave

Netherlands313 Posts

January 06 2012 11:11 GMT

#450

On January 06 2012 19:55 syllogism wrote:
It's quite possible that wiggles is scum, but considering you don't particularly appear to care about the game, I'm hardly sold based on your "wiggles possibly can't be this bad!" case. Do you think I'm town? Why don't you care about who I think is scum?

Why do you care what he thinks about your scumreads?
Since you haven't provided any or anything close to it, you make it hard for someone to care for something that isn't there (yet).
Just " Im gonna lynch Wiggles if he doesnt post more" and "Im gonna lynch Errandor if he doesnt post more".

However, I still do care about who you think is scum. Who do you think is scum?

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 06 2012 11:16 GMT

#451

That's just straight up wrong Cwave, not sure what it makes you.

Syllogism has provided arguments as for why he thinks risk.nuke is scum, and is pushing me to agree with him.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 11:18 GMT

#452

Some of the things he says are definitely wrong, but issue with assuming that immediately makes him scum is that he has done that to me before when he was town and I was town (lotr). Also in a setup with two scum teams I'm not entirely convinced by the need for him as scum to force a case like that. Certainly getting rid of you, regardless of your alignment, would be beneficial for him if he is scum, but still I'm not convinced yet.

Also risk.nuke disappeared again after he stopped responding to me. Does he even strike you as the type of poster who spends two hours (on and off) on a single post that basically just repeats things others have said? I'm a bit troubled by the fact you don't appear to see how much his play differs from his play in election mafia. Who is more likely in your experience to say "don't try to meta me": scum or town?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 11:23 GMT

#453

On January 06 2012 20:11 Cwave wrote:

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Please read your filter, then read mine and come back to explain why you made that claim without first reading my filter and why you haven't done anything useful so far. Palmar is one of the people in this game I respect and know very well and him not paying close attention to my reads is suspicious, especially when I think he has to realize by now I'm very likely town (to him, not to people like you of course).

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 06 2012 11:30 GMT

#454

as I said, not in the mood to read election mafia until later. Seeing as I think you're town and you seem pretty convinced in this read I'd probably support it down the line, but I simply think it's more likely wiggles will flip scum. Assume wiggles is already dead and I'd be more interested.

don't try to meta me is certainly something scum would rather say than town, however in the context, it's basically null.

Why are you forcing this so hard? If you think I'm town, and are town yourself, you know I will go find out if what you say is true, and you know that I do listen to you. You also know that I'm not just going to flop on something as solid as the case against wiggles. Do you actually think Wiggles says things that are factually wrong against a townie he knows is going to be valuable as town to attempt to get him lynched on day 1? No matter how you look at it Wiggles's play is completely anti-town, the only question is if that makes him scum (I guess the same goes for risk.nuke).

Just convince other people, if people actually think your case against risk.nuke is stronger than mine against wiggles, they will vote it, and I will probably support it unless I find any damning evidence otherwise. None of the things I mentioned in risk's favor make him town, they just are kinda off as scum too.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 11:34 GMT

#455

I haven't said that I think you are town and thus having this discussion is helpful not only because I think risk.nuke should be lynched. What do you think about Erandorr? I know for a fact that he was playing dota 2 all day yesterday, even after he said he was too tired to post and wanted to sleep

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 06 2012 12:00 GMT

#456

On January 06 2012 20:34 syllogism wrote:
I haven't said that I think you are town and thus having this discussion is helpful not only because I think risk.nuke should be lynched. What do you think about Erandorr? I know for a fact that he was playing dota 2 all day yesterday, even after he said he was too tired to post and wanted to sleep

On January 06 2012 19:34 Palmar wrote:

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This guy should be shot during the night.

Not much to say about it. Can lynch him too, if we want a safe lynch with a high chance of hitting scum.

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

January 06 2012 12:00 GMT

#457

BAM Palmar is back.

##Vote: MrWiggles

(by the way, Ask Me Anything for the next 50mins or so if you wish, later I'll get a haircut)

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

January 06 2012 12:03 GMT

#458

However Palmar, while I'm at it

In addition, aside from XLIV where I tunneled as part of a strategy (I tunneled just to see how town would respond), Please show me an example of a game where I tunneled on day one. I dare you to go and find a proper tunnel from me on day one that isn't XLIV. I have a feeling you're not going to be able to. I usually just read the thread, talk to people, and then at some point I make a decision. Usually with less than 24 hours to go.

Are you trying to mean XLVIII? Y'know, the game where you were trying to tunnel vaderseven as far as fake-claiming dayvig and threathening to shot him for a list of reads?

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 06 2012 12:11 GMT

#459

I didn't tunnel vaderseven, unless our definitions vary a lot. I tunneled the fuck out of dropbear for a day in XLIV, as a strategy. I guess you can also make a case I tunneled Youngminii in XLVII (that was his fault, he was being dumb, people should always trust me).

What is it in my case against wiggles that you agree with? Care to explain why you've come to the conclusion I'm right?

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

January 06 2012 12:23 GMT

#460

I guess my definition would be off; any kind of pressure I interpret as tunneling.

I find it rather useless to just go "omg man i agree omg you are right" over someone's case. Overall, your case is much more solid than MrWiggles'. There was little to actually hunt until that point in the game, so there was no reason for you to actually attack someone - my argument against you was that you were too passive, however you just broke it as expected.

Consider that if I am actually voting right off the bat, it's because I was convinced. I don't like to throw votes away.

(On another topic, WTF we still have a whole day? I thought the game started Jan 4 KST and day 1 was supposed to end at Jan 7 KST, 72hours later?)
(Indeed I am right, the day should end at Saturday, Jan 07 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) which is exactly 72hours after day 1 post)