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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:13 BroodKingEXE wrote:
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Am I not entitled to my own opinion? The things you have posted in your original case don't make me look that scummy. The thing that Tofu said and I said are different. He wants to lynch lurkers and I don't (at least not till a couple more days). I have called out others, do you see all those "useless one-liners"? They are calling out things I saw as potentially scummy. Do I have to wait and post a culmination of these posts all at once? For the most part you haven't actually looked at the majority of my posts for their content. Your final sentence doesn't make sense in terms of scum. Why would I not defend myself (as scum), when the town was obviously against me? Look at where waiting has got me, second-highest lynch canidate for day 1. It could just be I didn't see your post like I didn't see this response.
As I said already the Tofuvote was fine by me and you are indeed not someone, who seems to be a obvious scum candidate but the general "feeling" your posts give out is that you contribute maybe too little for the activity you are showing. All your posts and suspicions so far have been pretty much sheeping the opinions of others, instead of pointing out maybe additional oddities you have found (except for your slight pressure on austinmcc as in here:
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You can't keep a FoS on someone and be on the fence about them being scum. You obviously think he is town, but are setting yourself up so that it looks like you had suspicions on him. Hedging would allow you to say "I didn't think he was scum" if he flipped town. This strikes me as scummy.
That is in fact the first notice you take on someone or somebody's action which has not been pointed out by others beforehand.
Your posts in general give me the feeling that you try too hard to be unnoticeable. Generally there are only two kind of players who want to be unnoticeable to the town, without being suspicious, which are blue roles or scum.
Blue roles want to be unnoticeable in fear of the night-hit but they also need to have some town credibility if they are forced to roleclaim at some point.
Scum wants to unnoticed, because, well we are searching for them.
So a lynch on BroodkingEXE could strike out in both ways for us.
We could be totally screwing us over by lynching a blue role or we get some scum on day 1.
Quite a risk I guess.
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On May 12 2012 05:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Anac. The first one does make sense. I could be town and the Mafia could be letting you push me, because they know I am town. They don't even need to take ownership for their vote and could keep their vote on Analect. People who vote for me can be on either side. Bussing or wagoning are options for mafia. What about my response doesn't convince you?
I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck.
I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/
I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Actually this came out much more defending on BroodkingExe than I intended...
I guess I just wanted to say that considering the uncertainties we have on day 1 it might actually be better to let a lynch-candidate, on whom we still have open questions, live into day 2.
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Dammit, now this is a clusterfuck, let me really check the case against BKE.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Looking at Anacletus' later posts we could take a guess and say he is a townie who played bad. Especially for Mafia he is worthless right now due to his 0 town cred.
Regarding BroodkingEXE, I guess I already said that he is either scum or blue.
The case pushed by Mufaa is Jailbreaker, who is for sure another player high on the scum list, but there is also too little to make of him and I do not believe it warrants a lynch.
Other suspects have posted little so really making a solid case against them is hard, especially within ~1 hour.
So in the end I guess we are still left with the question to lynch either Anacletus or BroodkingExe.
I should probably stop rambling now and wait for your thoughts on it.
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On May 12 2012 05:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Anac. The first one does make sense. I could be town and the Mafia could be letting you push me, because they know I am town. They don't even need to take ownership for their vote and could keep their vote on Analect. People who vote for me can be on either side. Bussing or wagoning are options for mafia. What about my response doesn't convince you?
I meant austin.
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On May 12 2012 06:43 Anacletus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Anac. The first one does make sense. I could be town and the Mafia could be letting you push me, because they know I am town. They don't even need to take ownership for their vote and could keep their vote on Analect. People who vote for me can be on either side. Bussing or wagoning are options for mafia. What about my response doesn't convince you? I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck. I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/ I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is.
So you would push me even if you believe I am not mafia? Look at others if you dont think I am scum. The town can benefit you pushing a strong case, that would prove or disprove your innocence.
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On May 12 2012 06:17 Darkfirex5 wrote:
I'd suggest filtering BKEXE's posts. From what I'm reading of what he has posted, there isnt anying that makes me want to switch the bandwagon onto him (fairly) last minute. There isnt enough posts from him to make the acusation he is more mafia than that of Anacletus. I dislike this massive wagon switch because instead of going with the safest mafia guess, we switch it last minute to someone i think we need more posts from to prove he is mafia.
Filter both. Anac hasn't posted any more than Brood. If you think Anac is scummy and Brood isn't, keep your vote on Anac. But if you don't have enough posts to make a decision about Brood, I'm not sure how you had enough posts to make a decision about Anac. Granted, Anac's posts early were...bad. Bad bad.
@Firm, I keep making stupid long posts with spoiler tags and quotes and colors, but that's really the meat of my argument at this point.
On May 12 2012 06:40 FirmTofu wrote:
I think Broodking's responses to the pressure are much more telling than the actual initial pressure itself. austinmcc is completely right that Broodking is the scummiest person alive now.
I believed in that case. I thought Broodking looked scummy and wanted answers. The timing and content of those answers has sealed the deal for me. I'm now convinced.
@ShiaoPi, how it's been playing out today is really what has me convinced. I'm still suspicious of Anac, but Brood has surpassed him in scumminess. Anac still feels scummy. Brood feels like scum.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
In the end (with less than an hour to lynchtime) if I have to pick between Anacletus and BroodKingEXE I'll have to go with BroodKingEXE, his lynch seems more useful to me. Since even if we mislynch we gain more information from his flip than from Anacletus'
##vote BroodKingEXE
Unless something drastic happens, my vote stays.
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I think anacletus did us not good playing the way he has, i want to belive its a mafia "strategy" but its just too risky(¿?), after reading austinmcc and seeing Anacletus doesnt represent a thread anymore (im sure this will strike us some other way in the future), if BKE flips blue/town as Shaopi says, we are at 0 again thanks to Anacletus. I repeat, i dont like to be guided this easily, but i see a case, i see reasons, and i see lack of response from the accused party.
I have made up my mind after readin all posts and seeing RKE lacks of defense after the high pressure...also, this is golden Mufaa, it just raised my "interest" on you.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote:
Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made.
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and i agree 100% on your jailbraker FOS as i stated hours before, pointing a friend maybe?... but i think we should wait a little more.
##Vote BroodKingEXE
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On May 12 2012 06:52 BroodKingEXE wrote:
What about my response doesn't convince you?
I've made a couple responses on this. Your response maintained that the case "didn't make you look scummy" or something to that effect. Clearly it did. Clearly it continues to do so. It's not really a defense if you start it with "I've got nothing to defend." I'll let the old reasons lie.
If nothing else, look, here's a NEW REASON I think you're scum.
On May 12 2012 06:13 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Am I not entitled to my own opinion? The things you have posted in your original case don't make me look that scummy. The thing that Tofu said and I said are different. He wants to lynch lurkers and I don't (at least not till a couple more days). I have called out others, do you see all those "useless one-liners"? They are calling out things I saw as potentially scummy. Do I have to wait and post a culmination of these posts all at once? For the most part you haven't actually looked at the majority of my posts for their content. Your final sentence doesn't make sense in terms of scum. Why would I not defend myself (as scum), when the town was obviously against me? Look at where waiting has got me, second-highest lynch canidate for day 1. It could just be I didn't see your post like I didn't see this response.
You know, that could be it. That does give a reason why it took you so long to defend yourself. Makes sense. EXCEPT. Wait. What? What is that. Oh.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 02:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 01:32 austinmcc wrote:On May 12 2012 00:22 ShiaoPi wrote:
@austinmcc: Considering your thoughts on Anacletus: There is always the possibility of bad town play instead of scummy play. But doesn't the defense of Anacletus (or more the lack of) seem weird to you? Also his lack of good contributions? I guess bad townie play is always a possibility, but for now I stand by my vote.
On the accusations on BroodKingEXE: You bring up some good analysis. I guess I overlooked those aspects of his posts because I was more busy defending my posts against him than analyzing. I'll have to reread his filter thoroughly though, before doing anything.
I think that Anacletus has contributed very little. And that's generous. If I were breaking down everything he's posted, a statement that he reads BioSC as mafia is the ONLY remotely pro-town thing he's posted, and he doesn't back that read up or post a case, so it has absolutely no value. His lack of a defense does seem weird to me. Weird, but not entirely scummy, for a few reasons. - His defense is...nonexistant. He says one thing, then another. Doesn't want to draw attention to himself and attract more votes. Wants a headcount. Play this scenario out in your head. You're scum. Your scumbuddy gets called out in thread. What do you do? Don't you go to QT, put your heads together, figure out SOME kind of defense. Maybe the other members defend him, hard, soft, whatever. Maybe you feed him good points to throw out in the thread. But you can't just throw him to the wolves or bus him on D1, can you? Don't you have to try SOMETHING, when it's that early in the day and town is so focused on him?
Yet there's none of that.
- A good portion of this thread yesterday was everyone checking in and chiming in. Hey, here's my post, I see everyone thinks Anac is scum. Yeah, he seems scummy. Anac Y U SO SCUMMY? His flailing, to some extent, seems like a bad reaction to that, i.e. bad town play. His posts to me say, "I got no breathing room, felt like I had to defend myself, but I just couldn't because the accusations kept coming in."
- I don't think there's ANY way for Anac to defend himself. His play has been so nonsensical that he's dug a hole he can't climb out of. Think about it, is there anything he could say to defend his actions, make them seem logical? Not for me.
So that's my reasoning. He got no help, even though a mafia lynch this early would be crushing to the scumteam. He kept giving poor responses to everything, which makes it seem like he didn't sit down and think. I'm not saying we remove the FOS. I'm just rather see what happens if we let him be for a little bit. Make it known that he has no town cred, and needs to stop, really dig into the thread, and give us some good reads and analysis (Make a real case against BioSC if you think he's scummy), which we might not even care about because he lost his cred. If he doesn't give us anything useful, he's a great candidate for tomorrow. I just want to see what he does, how he plays, when he's not getting voted or questioned every 15 minutes in thread. But in my gut, his play screams "bad" more than it screams "scum." Whereas with Broodking, his posts, his logic, and to the extent that we newbies have meta, his meta, DO scream scum to me. You can't keep a FoS on someone and be on the fence about them being scum. You obviously think he is town, but are setting yourself up so that it looks like you had suspicions on him. Hedging would allow you to say "I didn't think he was scum" if he flipped town. This strikes me as scummy.
That's right. You quoted my entire post in your first set of responses, hours before you mounted any defense. Not only that, you addressed the FoS that was in my post. You clearly read it. If we mislynch you, I'm going to feel like such an ass. But you actually asking "What if I didn't read it?" when you QUOTE it and address one part of it? Not buying it.
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EBWOP: Please disregard the above post. I herp derped big time and misread that quote, which was not my original case but was my first real response and discussion.
However, I will note that the post still calls BroodKing scum, mention that he "scream[s] scum." Maybe he missed the case, being called scum out of the blue would give me an inkling that something might be up.
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On May 12 2012 06:52 ShiaoPi wrote:
Looking at Anacletus' later posts we could take a guess and say he is a townie who played bad. Especially for Mafia he is worthless right now due to his 0 town cred.
Regarding BroodkingEXE, I guess I already said that he is either scum or blue.
The case pushed by Mufaa is Jailbreaker, who is for sure another player high on the scum list, but there is also too little to make of him and I do not believe it warrants a lynch.
Other suspects have posted little so really making a solid case against them is hard, especially within ~1 hour.
So in the end I guess we are still left with the question to lynch either Anacletus or BroodkingExe.
I should probably stop rambling now and wait for your thoughts on it.
Let me clarify my vote. I wasn't making a concerted push on Jailbreaker. I was hoping others would follow suit to put some pressure on him and force some content before the deadline. 45 til the deadline and only 3 real posts w/ no vote means he's probably gonna get modkilled or warned so it won't matter either way. Still I don't like the idea of letting someone lurk the entire day.
Since Jailbreaker seems out that really only leaves a choice between bkexe and Ana. I don't think ana's flip will tell us anything other than his alignment so I'm going to vote bkexe just to not waste d1.
##Vote BroodKingEXE
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Current votes are...
Anac(4) - Hyaach, Darkfirex5, BroodKingEXE, Crossfire
BroodKingEXE(8) - austinmcc, Analectus, dahdum, BioSC, FirmTofu, ShiaoPi, Unforgiven_ve, Mufaa
Not Voting(1): Jailbreaker
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What does EBWOP mean?
Well, I think it's weird that the #1 reason to not kill me is because I'm entirely useless to both sides, made me giggle.
Also - I'd like to just point out that many people recently have just switched votes, aka Unforgiven, ShiaoPi and Firm. Maybe it's a coincidence? Maybe not.
I'm just really concerned with the way that those guys are swing-voting and bandwagoning so hard.
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Ebwop:
##Unvote
##Vote BroodKingEXE
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Ana, don't use blue text, use green. Blue is mod only.
Ebwop means edit by way of post
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Edit by way of post. Since editing is a no-no, that lets you explain where you messed up in an earlier post.
After the end of D1, we'll have 36 hours to look at voting, who swung when, who swung why, and how Brood (if votes stay as they are) flips. We ought to have some good info and leads in there.
You, more than anyone else, are going to have to start looking through it and make some reads off the votes. Because come D2, you're our best candidate so far for a lynch.
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Shit sorry, I used green last time and confused the two - my mistake!!!
Can a mod please edit the blue out please, sorry :/
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Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 07:29 Anacletus wrote:
What does EBWOP mean?
Well, I think it's weird that the #1 reason to not kill me is because I'm entirely useless to both sides, made me giggle.
Also - I'd like to just point out that many people recently have just switched votes, aka Unforgiven, ShiaoPi and Firm. Maybe it's a coincidence? Maybe not.
I'm just really concerned with the way that those guys are swing-voting and bandwagoning so hard.
lol, I havent "switched", you scum! 'cause i never voted for anyone
Also, i read something very fishy, but i will wait to Day2 to say it, it depends on BKE lynch (if it stays that way ofc)
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