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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 05 2013 03:41 jampidampi wrote: Why did you make another account? Based on your posts in that game you have analysed a lot more things than just raw facts (votes/flips/nightkills). What has changed? I dont know man, couldn't be my role or anything /sarcasm Mafia feeds off emotion, town feeds off logic. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
I came to that conclusion based off this first day's proceedings. Not a single shred of evidence and everyone is so quick to lynch me. Either a mafia bandwagon in the making or a dumb town. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote: I'm not saying that we wouldn't actually lynch the lurkers if they continued to lurk. I'm saying that getting everyone to post is what the actual goal of the LaL policy is. You say scum can mask themselves by not lurking. Well GOOD, that's what we want.LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be. On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote: Because in one post you basically say that we should leave lurkers alone and let the blue roles worry about them. And then you completely 180 and say that we should pressure the Lurkers. You make this post:And you failed to tell anyone how any of this would make me suspicious. How does anything you said point to me being scum? On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote: and then you go ahead and vote for a lurker and make this post:I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote: What happened to "leaving lurkers for our blues to handle"?My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058¤tpage=8#153 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058¤tpage=9#168 How is that not evidence? And your filter doesn't have a post including nonbullshit analysis. You only post when someone suspects you, or to say that you need information. How is that townie at all? How could we gain any information form day one if everyone played like you? And like three players have said that they want to lynch you. How is that everyone? And why would you be emotional as scum, if you aren't emotional as a townie? Doesn't that give you away like immediately? | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
On May 05 2013 04:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm not saying that we wouldn't actually lynch the lurkers if they continued to lurk. I'm saying that getting everyone to post is what the actual goal of the LaL policy is. You say scum can mask themselves by not lurking. Well GOOD, that's what we want. No, I'm saying scum can mask themselves by driving policy lynches. Because in one post you basically say that we should leave lurkers alone and let the blue roles worry about them. And then you completely 180 and say that we should pressure the Lurkers. You make this post: and then you go ahead and vote for a lurker and make this post:What happened to "leaving lurkers for our blues to handle"? I didn't make that vote to "lynch lurkers", I made that vote to pile up the pressure. It says so in the post itself. What part of it is unclear to you? | ||
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eSpi.Casey
Norway54 Posts
Il start read some filter`s and post again later tonight when i have some more content | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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shirokami
Finland107 Posts
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard. I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing. Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
On May 05 2013 06:20 Spicydinosaur wrote: @nobodywonder, I am curious as to why you put a vote on VayneAuthority. All the votes up to this point have been basically to get lurkers to post. Is your vote on him because of suspicion, an attempt to motivate him in some way, or another purpose? I am really annoyed by his day 1 logic thing. And as for the votes, not many people have voted so yeah... I vote him because I'm just annoyed, the action can be scummy, but his response I can't quite make a read...I'll clarify when he does this: On May 05 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Based on my analysis I will be voting for Targe. Heading out for a while so ill be back later. Interesting, you voted, but why? Please explain your logic or whatever you cling to. | ||
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eSpi.Casey
Norway54 Posts
@ shirokami You have barly contributed at all, and from what you say so far, you are not willing to post anything. And you want to wait to the very end before we see a good post from you ? I do not like this, and if you dont post some content before this you are for me the biggest scum for now, with Vayne as number 2. I will contiune read filters and update here, and i hope you do aswell | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
cool cool, let us know when you see anyone suspicious. your reads were pretty good last game, so I look forward to your posts. whats your read on me, jampi, vayne, the more activce posters? | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Also, I don't think jampi is acting like scum, he's talking sense with how scum can abuse the lynch policy. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On May 05 2013 04:27 jampidampi wrote: Please explain what you mean by this because that's not what you said at all. You specifically said "scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker". How is that driving policy lynches?No, I'm saying scum can mask themselves by driving policy lynches. | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does. On May 04 2013 17:23 Sugarfluff wrote: As far as not lynching goes - it's absolutely terrible and town should never entertain this idea. End of story, no need to discuss something useless like this or hear reasons. I dislike how you're trying to imply uncertainty in your decisions and what you say.For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it. On May 04 2013 17:55 Sugarfluff wrote: When jampi pressures you to explain your reads more you give another non-confrontational/non-commital response to him here. If vayne's play has stuck out to you the most, where is your vote?But I was gonna chalk that up to you wanting to get the ball rolling, which I suppose is working, so good job on that. Who are your top scum reads right now? Is it still vayne? Right now you are one of mine and I'm going to vote you as such. @shirokami; @flowcaster - You guys are lurking WAY too much. This is completely unacceptable considering you have pledged your time to the game. If this keeps up you are going to force a lurker lynch. We cannot play when you guys aren't contributing. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote: Yo yo. So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game. Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote: Yo yo. So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard. I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing. Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 05 2013 08:10 nobodywonder wrote: I am really annoyed by his day 1 logic thing. And as for the votes, not many people have voted so yeah... I vote him because I'm just annoyed, the action can be scummy, but his response I can't quite make a read...I'll clarify when he does this: Interesting, you voted, but why? Please explain your logic or whatever you cling to. I will divulge if im about to be lynched, otherwise I do not want the mafia to know how I think yet. Still picking up clues from this first day. Second day is when the real hunting begins. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
On May 05 2013 12:31 VayneAuthority wrote: I will divulge if im about to be lynched, otherwise I do not want the mafia to know how I think yet. Still picking up clues from this first day. Second day is when the real hunting begins. If you're town and think Targe is mafia, you want to share your analysis so that others also think he is mafia and lynch him. NO excuses. On May 05 2013 09:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: Please explain what you mean by this because that's not what you said at all. You specifically said "scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker". How is that driving policy lynches? On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote: I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. The bolded and the underlined are two different things. Lately you have been concentrating on only me. Any opinions about others? | ||
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