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Sugarfluff
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden132 Posts
May 04 2013 08:14 GMT
#141
Yes! Awesome feeling, waking up and knowing the PM is in my inbox! Less awesome to have some votes. ^^

Anyway, I was going to throw my vote right back at nobodywonder, but I feel VayneAuthority is slightly suspicious. Wrong lynching is obviously bad but mafia can use the extra, safe time to more effect I think.

Time to get breakfast and ponder.
If something is funny, it is worth doing.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
May 04 2013 08:20 GMT
#142
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life.

What makes VayneAuthority suspicious to you?
Sugarfluff
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden132 Posts
May 04 2013 08:23 GMT
#143
For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it.
If something is funny, it is worth doing.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
May 04 2013 08:26 GMT
#144
On May 04 2013 17:23 Sugarfluff wrote:
For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it.

Where does he show his intentions of a no-lynch?
Sugarfluff
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden132 Posts
May 04 2013 08:29 GMT
#145
It's more along the line of calling it a guessing game, it's not like it's damning evidence. Still, it's what has stuck out the most to me so far.
If something is funny, it is worth doing.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
May 04 2013 08:46 GMT
#146
Since it stuck out the most to you, there must something else that stuck out to you. Care to tell?
Sugarfluff
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden132 Posts
May 04 2013 08:55 GMT
#147
Well...

Feels kind of weird that you'd make an argument against Vayne, line up all the possible ways to interpret his first two posts and then question me when I'm basically agreeing with you. But I was gonna chalk that up to you wanting to get the ball rolling, which I suppose is working, so good job on that.
If something is funny, it is worth doing.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 04 2013 09:30 GMT
#148
I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1.
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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
May 04 2013 09:38 GMT
#149
On May 04 2013 18:30 Targe wrote:
I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1.

Does that make him scum in your eyes?
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 04 2013 09:46 GMT
#150
On May 04 2013 18:38 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 18:30 Targe wrote:
I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1.

Does that make him scum in your eyes?


You cannot base someone being scum off two posts, but he isn't off to a good start if he's trying to prove he's not, he's no.1 scum for me for now.
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shirokami
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland107 Posts
May 04 2013 12:25 GMT
#151
Yo yo.

So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.

Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some.
No clue.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
May 04 2013 13:45 GMT
#152
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.

Like this post of yours?

I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.


I would argue that my statement is isnt a waste and adds value. This a game for new players, some of whom may not know a lot about lurking and such. This my first game so i had to do a some reading up on it and i doubt im alone on that. Making others aware of it encourages deeper reading of posts because scum will be posting. Why do you jampidampi, think it doesn't add anything?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 04 2013 13:51 GMT
#153
couple of FOS's


@VayneAuthority -
On May 04 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
Not enough information yet to know whether I want to lynch lurkers or not. I need at least a post from everyone first, as well as some votes to come in. then we'll see
Not Enough information to know whether we should policy lynch lurkers? The whole point of the policy vote is to get information. Saying that you want to see votes before you decide whether you want lynch lurkers sounds pretty bad. Like you're giving yourself an out in case your scum teammates starts to gather votes.



@jampidampi -
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
Yes, rolled town again.

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts

Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion?

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.

Like this post of yours?

I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.

First of all, what's the point of telling us you rolled town?

Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there.

But the wierd thing about you saying that you're not sold on policy lynching lurkers is that you then vote a lurker. This is your next post:
On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life.

What makes VayneAuthority suspicious to you?
Seems like you got sold on it pretty quickly.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
May 04 2013 14:03 GMT
#154
On May 04 2013 22:45 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:

On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.

Like this post of yours?

I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.


I would argue that my statement is isnt a waste and adds value. This a game for new players, some of whom may not know a lot about lurking and such. This my first game so i had to do a some reading up on it and i doubt im alone on that. Making others aware of it encourages deeper reading of posts because scum will be posting. Why do you jampidampi, think it doesn't add anything?

Anyone with a brain would first get an idea how to play, not just jump into a game. You're statement, when thought about a little, reads: "scum don't scumhunt". Isn't that like the first thing everyone tells you is a scumtell when they start playing? Even if they didn't read any guides on how to play, with a little bit of thinking they would arrive at similiar scumtells: scum don't contribute/fake contrinutions.

And your original statement talks about posts adding little to discussion. Not about adding nothing to the discussion. In your post you just went along with the thread sentiment of policy lynching lurkers while adding something of little value that didn't advance the discussion, unless of course it was your intention all along to get called out for that post.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
May 04 2013 14:27 GMT
#155
On May 04 2013 23:03 jampidampi wrote:

Anyone with a brain would first get an idea how to play, not just jump into a game. You're statement, when thought about a little, reads: "scum don't scumhunt". Isn't that like the first thing everyone tells you is a scumtell when they start playing? Even if they didn't read any guides on how to play, with a little bit of thinking they would arrive at similiar scumtells: scum don't contribute/fake contrinutions.

And your original statement talks about posts adding little to discussion. Not about adding nothing to the discussion. In your post you just went along with the thread sentiment of policy lynching lurkers while adding something of little value that didn't advance the discussion, unless of course it was your intention all along to get called out for that post.



Insults are not a productive way to get information. Your post just continues your overall assumptions of this game and apply them to everyone.

As for the remaining lurkers, it seems that a votes on a lurker gets them posting. Should we continue this trend until all are posting? Ie: vote for a lurker, then when they start posting unvote them?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
May 04 2013 14:28 GMT
#156
On May 04 2013 22:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@jampidampi -
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
Yes, rolled town again.

On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts

Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion?

On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.

Like this post of yours?

I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.

First of all, what's the point of telling us you rolled town?

Ooh, I called myself town, I must be scum. /sarcasm

Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there.

LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be.

But the wierd thing about you saying that you're not sold on policy lynching lurkers is that you then vote a lurker. This is your next post:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life.

What makes VayneAuthority suspicious to you?
Seems like you got sold on it pretty quickly.

At this early stage, the only purpose of votes is to pile them up on someone to pile up the pressure. One or two votes mean nothing. But pile four to five on a player? He's gonna feel the pressure and do something about it. No one likes to be on the chopping block. Especially scum. They tend to slip up when under heavy pressure. At this stage, if you have no purpose for your vote, you should just put it onto someone, who already has votes. Which is what I did.

And you failed to tell anyone how any of this would make me suspicious. How does anything you said point to me being scum?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
May 04 2013 14:31 GMT
#157
On May 04 2013 23:27 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 23:03 jampidampi wrote:

Anyone with a brain would first get an idea how to play, not just jump into a game. You're statement, when thought about a little, reads: "scum don't scumhunt". Isn't that like the first thing everyone tells you is a scumtell when they start playing? Even if they didn't read any guides on how to play, with a little bit of thinking they would arrive at similiar scumtells: scum don't contribute/fake contrinutions.

And your original statement talks about posts adding little to discussion. Not about adding nothing to the discussion. In your post you just went along with the thread sentiment of policy lynching lurkers while adding something of little value that didn't advance the discussion, unless of course it was your intention all along to get called out for that post.

Insults are not a productive way to get information. Your post just continues your overall assumptions of this game and apply them to everyone.

When was the last time you played a game without having an idea about how to play? And nice strawman.

Sugarfluff
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden132 Posts
May 04 2013 14:55 GMT
#158
[B]On May 04 2013 23:27 Spicydinosaur wrote:[B]
As for the remaining lurkers, it seems that a votes on a lurker gets them posting. Should we continue this trend until all are posting? Ie: vote for a lurker, then when they start posting unvote them?


For record I was asleep when the game started The votes had nothing to do with why I started posting when I did, but the tactic might still be viable I suppose.

LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be.


Obviously you have to enforce it, that doesn't change what its intended purpose it. If you could use the policy to actually get people to post rather than just lynching them and getting rid of inactivity that way, wouldn't that be the better scenario?
If something is funny, it is worth doing.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 04 2013 15:12 GMT
#159
On May 04 2013 23:55 Sugarfluff wrote:


For record I was asleep when the game started The votes had nothing to do with why I started posting when I did, but the tactic might still be viable I suppose.



I was asleep too! You're only like 2 hours ahead of me :p

Jokes aside I still think we should put pressure on lurkers though, I'll put my vote on Flowcaster for now.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
May 04 2013 17:22 GMT
#160
Well sugarfluff has stopped lurking, so the votes on him are kinda pointless. As targe pointed out, flowcaster is lurking, and also I notice shirokami is lurking, but he try to give an excuse at least.
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