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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
geript and phagga will be cohosting this game. Questions can be directed towards any of us.
Marvellosity will be coaching mafia.
kushm4sta, goodkarma and Adam4167will be coaching town.
Mr. Cheesecake will be coaching the Serial Killer (if one exists)
Please feel free to use your coaches, they'd love to help you and make you better! You are not allowed to mention your coach's identity.
Newbie Mini Mafia XLI
+ Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +
Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
- Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
- Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town or literally claim scum.
- Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
- Posting screenshots of anything.
- Posting any PM you received in connection to this game.
- Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
- Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
- Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
- Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account.
Posting:
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be warned or modkilled at host's discretion.
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. If you don't want to ask your question in the thread then feel free to PM host/cohost and then you don't have to use this font. If you ask about something that's already in the thread then expect snide remarks to accompany your answer.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason ever. Editing will result in a warning or a modkill at host's discretion. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you really have to edit anything.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. This also means you should condense your posts when possible. 15 one-liners in 30 minutes is unacceptable.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
I'm going to warn you if you're being excessively unpleasant towards other players. If you disregard my warning then I'm going to modkill you.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, cohost, flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game. Do NOT ask for modkills or discuss modkills during the game
Smurfs:
No smurfs. I will not accept smurfs under any circumstances.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for mafia to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC or Skype to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
Voting rules:
- Voting is done in this thread. You cannot PM me your vote.
- Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion may not be counted. Vote counts will be updated whenever intermittently.
- No conditional voting.
- You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
- In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).
- You may vote for a No Lynch in the format: ##Vote: No Lynch
- Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to players with 3 or fewer games on this forum. Signups will remain open until the game is full. I might let you join if you have more than three games but they were played a very long time ago. Type /in to play.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM flamewheel or post in the Ban List.
Replacements
This game uses replacements. If a player is modkilled then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list if possible.
Clues:
There are no clues anywhere.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
Currently the deadline is 02:00 GMT (+00:00), but that may be subject to change. This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark (that is any votes after 02:00 GMT (+00:00)) will not count.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
Thanks to cohost.
Thanks to coaches.
Thanks to players.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Setup Information
Overview:
The setup is a semi-open setup for 12 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. Not all of the roles will necessarily be present. Some of the roles may have limits on the number of times they may be used. This will be specified in the role PM. The game is inherently balanced for all sides depending on the types and numbers of roles that appear. The mafia win when they outnumber the town (and there is no SK alive) or they reach a scenario when this becomes inevitable. The SK wins if he is the last man standing or nothing can prevent this. Town wins by eliminating all mafia members (and there is no SK alive). Mafia kill power is always 1.
Town Roles
Vanilla Town
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Honeycomb the vanilla townie. Despite your convincing commercials and tantalizing prizes, you are bland and tasteless. You have no powers, other than your voice and your vote. Can you be as convincing as your commercials? You win with town.
Miller
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Honeycomb the vanilla townie. Despite your convincing commercials and tantalizing prizes, you are bland and tasteless. You have no powers, other than your voice and your vote. Can you be as convincing as your commercials? You win with town.
Note: Any Miller checked by an investigative role will be treated as a mafia goon. Millers are not self-aware.
Parity Cop
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are a Apple Jacks the town parity cop. Once per night you may submit the name of two players to offer them to eat of the cereal they like. The following day, you will receive a pm indicating whether the players ate of the same colored loops or of different colored loops as this indicates whether the alignment of the selected players is the same or different. While you love to lick the flavor off of your own loops, cannibalism is strictly against your religion; you may not target yourself. You win with town.
Role Cop
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Cap'n Crunch the town role cop. Once per night, you may submit the name of target player to bury that player in crunch berries. The following day, you will receive a pm indicating the color your crunch berries turned after touching the player telling you what type of cereal and what role that player has. Your crunch berries cannot detect if a cereal has turned rotten so you will not receive a player's alignment. You win with town.
Veteran
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Rice Crispies the town veteran. You have been around for as long as anyone can remember and have always made the same snap, crackle, pop. Your greatest ability is being able to survive being made into rice crispy treats; as such, you will survive being targeted by a single kp once per game. You are informed after having been made into a tasty, marshmallowy, non-breakfast snack and after taking a hit. You win with town.
Vigilante
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Count Chocula the town vigilante. Once per game at night, starting night two, you may submit the name of target player; you will remove all of that player's cereal from his bowl and fill it up with your own chocolatey goodness. That player will be targeted with a single kp. If you are roleblocked, your cereal theft and shot will be refunded. You win with town.
Medic
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Raisin Bran the town medic. Once per night, you may submit the name of target player to force them to eat from your two scoops of raisins. While your raisins may not be sweet and tasty, they will protect that player from a single kp. Unfortunately because there are some dried prunes mixed in with your raisins; said player will be on the can all night so neither you, nor the targeted player, will be informed if a hit is successfully prevented. You win with town.
Jailer
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Lucky Charms the town Jailer. Your marshmallows are magically delicious. Once per night, you may submit the name of target player to be given your hearts, stars, horseshoes, rainbows and balloons. That player will be protected from all night actions and roleblocked, preventing them from performing any actions. Your lucky charms are magic so neither you, nor the targeted player, will be informed if a hit is successfully prevented. The targeted player will be informed that they are roleblocked. You win with town.
Mafia Roles
Goon
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Honeycomb the mafia goon. Despite your convincing commercials and tantalizing prizes, you are bland and tasteless. You have no powers, other than your voice and your vote. Can you be as convincing as your commercials? You win with mafia.
Roleblocker
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Cookie Crisp the mafia roleblocker. Once per night you may choose a player to trick into thinking your small round breakfast morsels actually taste like chocolate chip cookies. The tricked player will be roleblocked, preventing them from using any ability. In the morning, the player will realize that he has eaten such obviously fake material and the targeted player will be informed that they are roleblocked. You win with mafia.
Role Cop
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Cap'n Crunch the mafia role cop. Once per night, you may submit the name of target player to bury that player in crunch berries. The following day, you will receive a pm indicating the color your crunch berries turned after touching the player telling you what type of cereal and what role that player has. Your crunch berries cannot detect if a cereal has turned rotten so you will not receive a player's alignment. You win with mafia.
Jailer
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Lucky Charms the mafia Jailer. Your marshmallows are magically delicious. Once per night, you may submit the name of target player to be given your hearts, stars, horseshoes, rainbows and balloons. That player will be protected from all night actions and roleblocked, preventing them from performing any actions. Your lucky charms are magic so neither you, nor the targeted player, will be informed if a hit is successfully prevented. The targeted player will be informed that they are roleblocked. You win with mafia.
Godfather
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Trix the mafia Godfather. You have found a way to convince small children that you look and act like one of them and that's not suspicious sounding at all. Your costume will protect you from any sort of scrutiny; any investigative role will return a result as if you were a vanilla townie. You win with mafia.
Third Party Roles
Serial Killer
+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] +You are Wheaties the third party cereal killer. Everyone knows your name; no one can argue with your long-lasting status. As such, you can use your famous reputation to choose to be treated as vanilla town by all investigative checks or have the ability to survive one KP once. You, however, are a jealous star who wants to hold the limelight; your name alone can eliminate other cereals from being able to survive. You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to. You win when you are the only player remaining.
If there are any questions about the setup, they may either be PMed to me or posted in the thread in bold green text.
+ Show Spoiler [Setup Notes] +If a roleblocker targets a jailer and the jailer targets someone else, the jailer's action will not go through.
One person on the mafia team may carry out the kill each night. The mafia can choose not to kill. The mafia can kill each other. If the mafia member chosen to kill on a particular night is roleblocked, the kill will still occur. A mafia member may use his ability and kill in the same night.
If a serial killer is present he/she will be able to choose between being treated as vanilla town by all investigative checks and one shot bulletproof when the roles go out and before day 1 starts. If no choice is sent in then I will flip a coin and choose for the player.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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What is the purpose of choosing a Mafia member to carry out the kill?
There aren't any watchers or trackers, it doesn't matter if the one doing the kill is roleblocked and he can still use any abilities that he may have. Is there a mistake in the OP or is one mafia delivering the kill just something you do since it's done every game?
Will a Serial Killer be able to choose what role he appears to Role Cops if he chooses investigation immune?
Oh and is the Jailkeeper intended to protect his target from all KP instead of just one?
And before I forget, /in.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 10 2013 03:48 jampidampi wrote:
What is the purpose of choosing a Mafia member to carry out the kill?
There aren't any watchers or trackers, it doesn't matter if the one doing the kill is roleblocked and he can still use any abilities that he may have. Is there a mistake in the OP or is one mafia delivering the kill just something you do since it's done every game?
To make them feel special.
On April 10 2013 03:48 jampidampi wrote:
Will a Serial Killer be able to choose what role he appears to Role Cops if he chooses investigation immune?
They would be treated as vanilla town.
On April 10 2013 03:48 jampidampi wrote:
Oh and is the Jailkeeper intended to protect his target from all KP instead of just one?
Yes sir.
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Jampi, shall we have another go?
Can I in if I am still in another game
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On April 10 2013 09:32 Smancer wrote:
Jampi, shall we have another go?
Can I in if I am still in another game
So long as you have played in fewer than four games here at TL mafia, then you are more than welcome to join. I would recommend however that you only join if you think that you can adequately contribute to both games simultaneously.
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Fair enough
/obs for now then.
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lol just cant wait huh
/obs
mafia takes a lot of time and is stressful...i need to relax for a while... insert random revealing info that is related to fatties...
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/obs or town coach if you need it
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 10 2013 09:43 Promethelax wrote:
/obs or town coach if you need it
On April 10 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
/mafia coach
ty ty. Could probably use 1-2 more town coaches if anyone else is interested.
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/in, gotta find me some scum D1 this time.
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/in, let us conduct ourselves as gentlemen
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/out, playing in Hydra Mini II and I don't think I'd be able to handle two games at once.
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/in
First game here, let's see what happens.
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I don't think I'm good enough to coach as of yet. Mebbe one day.....
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I like the possibilities. Nice to see a newbie without c9++.
And yes, I only read the role PMs just now.
Newbies who roll town: PM me. I'm helpful and shit.
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On April 11 2013 11:10 Promethelax wrote:
I like the possibilities. Nice to see a newbie without c9++.
And yes, I only read the role PMs just now.
Newbies who roll town: PM me. I'm helpful and shit.
^^ a great coach FYI.
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Also, If anyone wants to meta me: I don't plan on posting as much this game as last game. So don't automatically assume I'm scum because I'm posting less.
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Just read "A General Guide to Mafia" and would like to try this. Loving the addition of the third party serial killer, also.
/in
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Geript, You should make it cookie themed.
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Hello Pretty Newbies
I am the TOWN coach.
Please contact me for any all all questions you have I can help a lot with questions such as
How do I look more townie? (by being more townie)
Should I claim? (No, you probably shouldn't)
How do I find scum? (just look!)
How awesome am I? (pretty awesome)
I will be moderately helpful with such questions as:
Is my case good? (probably not)
Am I looking at the right things? (probably not)
Do you love me? (yes)
Can I have this dance? (Yes! I thought you'd never ask)
I cannot help with questions like:
Who is scum? (I dunno)
Will you write a case for me (nup)
There is this really pretty girl at school/work/my wife's work how do I get her to like me?(just talk to her, god!)
I hate this game, I'm never playing again! (okay...)
please send me a PM and ask any questions you have, I'd love to chat and help you with anything you want help on. I am donating my time for you to get better at this game, use this wisely, you only get so many chances to play with a coach. Don't waste those chances.
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United Kingdom36158 Posts
give it up prome, you're already doomed.
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My townies have balls of steel.
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Sucks for you I'm arming my scummers with magnets then
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not really, it just means that my townies get free, kinky, handjobs.
Your scum aren't just red blooded, they're red women too!
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How does the role cop find out role but not alignment? I don't get how that would work.
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It gives the player's role (eg, goon, VT, etc.) but not their alignment.
Edit: To clarify... in some cases a role is strictly alignment indicative (eg Serial Killer, Vigilante) and some are likely alignment indicative (eg Goon [could be Miller], Vanilla [could be GodFather]). Does that make sense?
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On April 12 2013 10:27 geript wrote:
It gives the player's role (eg, goon, VT, etc.) but not their alignment.
Edit: To clarify... in some cases a role is strictly alignment indicative (eg Serial Killer, Vigilante) and some are likely alignment indicative (eg Goon [could be Miller], Vanilla [could be GodFather]). Does that make sense?
umm...pretty sure that goon and VT both show up as Vanilla though I can't confirm that.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 12 2013 14:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:27 geript wrote:
It gives the player's role (eg, goon, VT, etc.) but not their alignment.
Edit: To clarify... in some cases a role is strictly alignment indicative (eg Serial Killer, Vigilante) and some are likely alignment indicative (eg Goon [could be Miller], Vanilla [could be GodFather]). Does that make sense? umm...pretty sure that goon and VT both show up as Vanilla though I can't confirm that.
That's correct. VT, goon, serial killer (with cover option selected), and godfather return vanilla, town rolecop and mafia rolecop would return rolecop, mafia roleblocker would return roleblocker, etc.
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Kita, if you need another co-host (from a different timezone), feel free to add me.
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A parity cop in a newbie game seems rough.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 12 2013 22:24 phagga wrote:
Kita, if you need another co-host (from a different timezone), feel free to add me.
Sure thanks. I imagine there won't be much effort necessary, but an extra person to help is always nice.
On April 12 2013 23:12 TheRavensName wrote:
A parity cop in a newbie game seems rough.
I guess it depends on perspective. Imagine you are a newbie mafia player who is on the wrong end of a detective check. It would be pretty rough to not have the opportunity to argue out of a check. With the parity check, you get information about multiple players each night at the cost of certainty at the time of the check.
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For night actions (if we have anyway), do we pm the host our action and target?
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Always pm both the host and Cohost.
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The rules state that you are allowed to vote for yourself. Is there actually any situation where this would be a good strategy?
I really can't think of any situation that would call for it, especially with the "play to win" being emphasized.
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I cannot think of a good time to do so.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
In this setup, its pretty unlikely. In other games, its still pretty unlikely, but here are some hypothetical situations:
You are a village idiot and you win by being lynched.
You are a vengeful townie and are incapable of getting a sure scum player lynched.
You are a mad hatter whose bombs will activate via death by lynch and you need to lower the mafia kp or you lose.
You are a mafia player who has been pardoned or is lynchproof.
You are a mafia player who can ensure victory by being lynched due to the survival of a scumbuddy's role.
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Heres a hypothetical: You are the parity cop, and have stated information that would allow the town to find who all the scum are. You have claimed, but not all the town believe you. Currently someone you believe is town is set to lynch; but by voting for yourself you can sway the vote onto yourself. When you are lynched, your role is confirmed; Then town all realizes who the scum are and can lynch them in the final days.
It's not likely to happen, and in most situations it's terrible to vote for yourself. But for the rare cases that it's useful, it's good to have the option.
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On April 13 2013 03:26 jrkirby wrote:
Heres a hypothetical: You are the parity cop, and have stated information that would allow the town to find who all the scum are. You have claimed, but not all the town believe you. Currently someone you believe is town is set to lynch; but by voting for yourself you can sway the vote onto yourself. When you are lynched, your role is confirmed; Then town all realizes who the scum are and can lynch them in the final days.
It's not likely to happen, and in most situations it's terrible to vote for yourself. But for the rare cases that it's useful, it's good to have the option.
That's pretty much impossible. The players who believe your claim will obviously vote for your guilies. The people who don't believe your cliam will vote for you. There is nothing like "i don't believe the cop guy but i will vote for someone else", that's just stupid.
But in normal games like this it's never beneficial to vote for yourself.
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for the moment /out as coach. Real life has me by the balls.
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On April 14 2013 21:05 Promethelax wrote:
for the moment /out as coach. Real life has me by the balls.
This would require balls... :-P
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/in, actually played another game before this started ^^
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If Marv wants to coach town, I'll coach scummers.
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Actually I have other priorities in my life right now. I think I'll skip this one, maybe in on the next.
/out
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/obs
I'd love to play another game, but I have finals for the next ten days and then I'm moving across the country, so there is no way I will have time.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 16 2013 23:36 kushm4sta wrote:
I want to coach town!
ty!
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/in
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Id like to offer my services as town coach if you need another.
Otherwise, see you in the obs thread.
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On April 17 2013 12:11 Obzy wrote:
/in please ^^;
Fixed
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On April 17 2013 16:27 phagga wrote:Fixed
"If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play."
It wouldn't quite be that bad, but if I had to play another game (lol), I would really, really, really try to not spend more than an hour a day or so on it to avoid going totally insane. Atm I don't really want to play one haha... if nobody /ins for a lil while or something and it's acceptable for me to intentionally scale back my activity to be something more manageable, I'll consider it. :l
Atm though, nope lol.
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No worries Obzy, I was just joking 
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Needs more nukes!!!!!!
Kinda tempted to try towncoaching but you've already got two dudes.
/obs for funsies
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ill play if theres still room
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There is room.
€: /obs, btw
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On April 12 2013 06:01 Promethelax wrote:Hello Pretty Newbies I am the TOWN coach. Please contact me for any all all questions you have I can help a lot with questions such as How do I look more townie? (by being more townie)
Should I claim? (No, you probably shouldn't)
How do I find scum? (just look!)
How awesome am I? (pretty awesome)
I will be moderately helpful with such questions as: Is my case good? (probably not)
Am I looking at the right things? (probably not)
Do you love me? (yes)
Can I have this dance? (Yes! I thought you'd never ask)
I cannot help with questions like: Who is scum? (I dunno)
Will you write a case for me (nup)
There is this really pretty girl at school/work/my wife's work how do I get her to like me?(just talk to her, god!)
I hate this game, I'm never playing again! (okay...)
please send me a PM and ask any questions you have, I'd love to chat and help you with anything you want help on. I am donating my time for you to get better at this game, use this wisely, you only get so many chances to play with a coach. Don't waste those chances.
^What this guy said.
I'll add that i'm still recovering from surgery, so i'm stuck home doing nothing for 18 hours a day. Give me something to do, otherwise ill just sit here and silently judge you and then mock you post game.
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i will share my foolproof method of finding scum guaranteed
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Actually, /towncoach, if possible.
Reread the OP and apparently you're still looking for another one. I suddenly feel inspired.
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/can coach if you still need it. I have defeated life and gotten a job offer from our direct competitors. Feelin' fly.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
We officially have more hosts and coaches than players! :p
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I can also smurf into the game to help with your ratios.
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On April 22 2013 09:40 Promethelax wrote:
I can also smurf into the game to help with your ratios.
Smurfing isn't fun if we know it's you.
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Where did all the newbies go?
I remember when these only took a couple days to fill T_T
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A good portion of us have finals and such around this time. Activity will no doubt kick up again in the summer.
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On April 24 2013 03:47 Hapahauli wrote:
A good portion of us have finals and such around this time. Activity will no doubt kick up again in the summer. What he said. I finish exams Friday so if it hasn't filled by then I may join.
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On April 27 2013 01:25 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
/in
Seems legit
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On April 27 2013 01:36 Sn0_Man wrote:Seems legit
Totally legit unless someone planned smurfing in a newbie almost a year ago
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The account is from June last year. That smurf would have been growing slowly.
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aight, let's do this. leeroyyyyyyyyy
/in
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On April 27 2013 07:05 calgar wrote:
aight, let's do this. leeroyyyyyyyyy
/in
Omagod I haven't seen ya since our newbie games a year back o.O
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Oh wow. The super busy part of life passed and this still hasn't started. Cool, I guess I'll be in again.
/in
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Alrighty, time for my first game.
/in
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Only two more signups needed, but I'm going to send out confirmation pms a bit early in case we lose a couple of players that signed up three weeks ago and don't plan to return.
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Still in.
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This game is going to be amazing.
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On May 01 2013 18:25 ObviousOne wrote:
This game is going to be amazing.
You don't say?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Role PMs have been updated. Thanks to geript for the flavor!
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Oh god the flavor. It's so... flavorfull.
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On May 02 2013 11:21 jrkirby wrote:
Oh god the flavor. It's so... flavorfull.
If you are not serious, then I will cover you in milk and my rusty spoon of vengeance shall instill enough iron in my diet that I won't need your government required fortification in vitamins and minerals.
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Wow. Geript wants to milk me and spoon me.
You have such eloquent style of word... I have trouble resisting... ! 
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On May 02 2013 11:41 jrkirby wrote:Wow. Geript wants to milk me and spoon me. You have such eloquent style of word... I have trouble resisting... !
Shhhhh you were supposed to keep our star-crossed lover secret a secret.
In interest of fairness and openness, Kita is doing all the RNG stuff. I'm just here to do vote counts and flavor. Also, I may do some modding from my hydra account (getmoript) due to phone posting/forgetting which browser I'm using.
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flavor so tasty, now I'm hungry.
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Sorry guys, I am just getting completely overloaded with work and school this week and was probably deluding myself the other day. I'm just not gonna have time for everything I have to do AND mafia. 
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On May 03 2013 09:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
/coach potential SK
Where were you when I was SK??? WHAR?!
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The game will begin tonight at 02:00 GMT (+00:00). We could still use a few replacements if anyone is interested.
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The format of a role PM will be as follows (modified slightly from the OP). Please remember that you are not allowed to reference the formatting of your role PM, who sent you your role PM or when you received your role PM.
You are Honeycomb the vanilla townie. Despite your convincing commercials and tantalizing prizes, you are bland and tasteless. You have no powers, other than your voice and your vote. Can you be as convincing as your commercials? You win with town. Your coach is X. Please feel free to use him as a resource. You may not mention your coach's identity in the thread. Good luck!
Non-mafia coaches will not be receiving the identities of the players that they are coaching. A player may PM their coach at any time.
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Err, could you clarify "Non-mafia coaches will not be receiving the identities of the players that they are coaching."? It sounds as though if I'm town and PM a town coach then they won't know my user name, but you mean role instead? Are coaches ever given role identities, anyways? It seems like if they were it would introduce a lot of bias into the coaching. Also, a very outside the box question, but if coaches aren't given player identities then what stops a town from PMing mafia coach or vice versa to gain extra insight? Is this allowed?
Is the mafia KP still unblockable with only one remaining alive? Is SK KP is blockable?
Jailer and RB targeting each other cancel all abilities/will each be informed of roleblock?
Also, I'm confused about the role cop revealing roles. The OP says it doesn't reveal alignment, but the roles between town/mafia are not symmetrical so there is no counterpart for SK, medic, parity cop, or vigilante, so wouldn't the role reveal alignment because those roles are only possible in one alignment?
Thanks.
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On May 04 2013 00:29 calgar wrote:
Err, could you clarify "Non-mafia coaches will not be receiving the identities of the players that they are coaching."? It sounds as though if I'm town and PM a town coach then they won't know my user name, but you mean role instead? Are coaches ever given role identities, anyways?
Coaches will not know the players that they are assigned unless you PM them. They will not know your role unless you tell them. Since each town player will be assigned 2-3 players, we don't want to give the coach extra information, unless the players PM them with a question. This is a bigger deal when each coach has 5-6 players.
On May 04 2013 00:29 calgar wrote:
It seems like if they were it would introduce a lot of bias into the coaching. Also, a very outside the box question, but if coaches aren't given player identities then what stops a town from PMing mafia coach or vice versa to gain extra insight? Is this allowed?
Mafia coaches are aware of the players that are mafia, but you are still welcome to PM a coach that is not your assigned coach for advice. You're not going to figure out any alignment indicative information in doing so however.
On May 04 2013 00:29 calgar wrote:
Is the mafia KP still unblockable with only one remaining alive? Is SK KP is blockable?
You may not roleblock a mafia or SK kp at anytime.
On May 04 2013 00:29 calgar wrote:
Jailer and RB targeting each other cancel all abilities/will each be informed of roleblock?
Yes
On May 04 2013 00:29 calgar wrote:
Also, I'm confused about the role cop revealing roles. The OP says it doesn't reveal alignment, but the roles between town/mafia are not symmetrical so there is no counterpart for SK, medic, parity cop, or vigilante, so wouldn't the role reveal alignment because those roles are only possible in one alignment?
Correct.
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On May 03 2013 21:15 kitaman27 wrote:
The game will begin tonight at 02:00 GMT (+00:00). We could still use a few replacements if anyone is interested.
Another 3 AM deadline
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The game will be starting soon. I have a few reminders:
1. Do not post in blue. This is for modding only.
2. You may PM rule questions to Kitaman27 or any of the cohosts. We will explain the question and post the answer in the thread in blue. Alternatively please use green text in the thread to denote rules questions and/or vote count corrections for the mods. This helps us find and answer questions easily and quickly.
3. I will try to provide at least 2 vote counts per day; I will try to post at least one within 1-2 hours of lynch time. If you choose to post a vote count, please preface it by noting that it is unofficial.
4. Your votes will should be formatted as such:
##vote Kitaman27
If you are changing your vote it is necessary to unvote first and are need to formatted as such:
##unvote
##vote Kitaman27
5. The voting thread for this game is here. Please only vote in that thread.
6. Please utilize your coach(es). They are here to help you learn how to improve your play. How much you learn from these games is directly related to how much you work you put into learning.
7. Have fun!!!
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Role PMs will now be going out. Please no posting until the game begins! As for #5 on geript's list, I'm going to make a separate voting thread for our own sanity :p
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![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xISvTfJa3Ds/SoWiBZFqDhI/AAAAAAAABlc/OvgQfiz3o6E/s400/CEREALBOXES.jpg) Day One
The war was brewing between Kelloggs and General Mills. Caught in the middle was the fight over Breakfaston upon Ce'Real. The towns co-mayors Geript the Boston Kreme Doughnut and phagga the Chicken Biscuit ruled Breakfaston with a Rusty Iron Spoon of vengeance. Being an election year, both were vying for sole tyrannical control of the ancient artifacts of power: the Rusty Iron Spoon of Vengeance, the Creamy Milk of Justice and the Chipped Porcelain Bowl of Lip Smacking Goodness. As dawn broke on the first day of elections, the town supped on leftovers from the day before; Marvelousity the day old Bangers and Mash, kushm4sta the sacred combination of White Cheddar Cheetos and Vanillia Ice Cream, goodkarma the Scattered Raisin Toast Scrambled with Bacon, Adam4167 the Everything Bagel with Plain Cream Cheese, and Mr. Cheesecake the Cheesecake became breakfast for the cannibalistic citizens. After the election feast of belt loosening and face gorging, the citizens realized that there was nothing left in the community fridge except for some soon to be souring milk. Arguments broke out over which box of cereal should be eaten next to satiate the required hunger for the mayoral elections. Fights broke out over who should be in sole control of the Rusty Spoon of Vengeance. The Morning War over control of Breakfaston upon CeReal has begun.
Day 1 has begun. Day 1 ends in 48 hours at 02:00 GMT (+00:00). Thanks to geript for the flavor.
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Hey guys, glad to be playing. I'm hoping that we'll have good activity and I may be a little cross if you go MIA. The town benefits from clarity and direction so try to incorporate that into your posts and I will as well.
I'll start off by talking about a lurker lynch policy. I think it's beneficial to have a threat to lynch highly inactive players to try and force activity. In several past games lynching into the lurkers gave much better odds of hitting scum than the odds would be otherwise. Having said that, it's just a policy and obviously we should all pressure conversation, pursue reads, and lynch someone a better target if it comes about.
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Hey guys, I'm playing, as you guys know if you read my previous entries you will realize I always gotten vanilla and have almost always was a scumread and was almost lynched at times.
I sheep calgar's opinion about activity. I hate lurkers too as a terran player, i hate when a lurker spine rips my ass, so i may kill you if you are missing.
still it's quite early, so yeah.
@calgar, hi how are you?
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btw i really applaud the choice of cereals
trix is very evil and gives diarrhea if you eat too fast or too much. good gf choice
wheaties are just stronk and good 3p killer
it may have been funnier with the cereal mascots considering they are so schizophenic, coco puffs bird, tony the tiger, cookie crisp wolf.
/spam so bored, post town, post...........
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Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.
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Hi everyone, looking forward to play with all of you. I will try to be as active as possible, and i hope everyone else will try aswell, even though im from Norway and following CET timezone i will try to contribute with good/analytic post as the game goes on
On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. I absolutley agree with this
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@nobodywonder: Being VT in other games doesn't affect the probability of you being town in this game. You had the same probability of being scum as the rest of us.
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@jrkirby good pickup, yes, but not really..its the nobody principle, i am a powerful wizard who will always roll vanilla.
well i'll show you again that i am town with fearless lynching and analysis, i am not afraid. delicious cereal shall be safeguarded today! rejoice.
@jrkirby what do you think about the lynch all lurkers policy?
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this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts
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On May 04 2013 12:20 eSpi.Casey wrote:Hi everyone, looking forward to play with all of you. I will try to be as active as possible, and i hope everyone else will try aswell, even though im from Norway and following CET timezone i will try to contribute with good/analytic post as the game goes on Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. I absolutley agree with this
seems like a sheep casey, i realize this may be your first game, but do not just say agree or disagree, try to back it up with your thought process or etc so that people can get better reads.
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@nobody - I'm doing well, thanks.
@espi - Being in a different time zone definitely adds difficulty so just try and do your best, give reads, and be reasonably active. In the end that's all we can really ask for from players. I know in a lot of newbie mini games it really suffers from 2-3 lurkers/replacements who hold back the game so I'd love to be able to avoid that.
As far as active lurking goes - that's definitely something to watch out for. Posting without direction and cluttering the thread doesn't accomplish anything useful for town. I don't think it's 100% reliable though, although I guess none of the other 'common tells' such as being wishy-washy, apologizing/avoiding confrontation, sheeping etc. are.
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On May 04 2013 12:47 calgar wrote:
@nobody - I'm doing well, thanks.
@espi - Being in a different time zone definitely adds difficulty so just try and do your best, give reads, and be reasonably active. In the end that's all we can really ask for from players. I know in a lot of newbie mini games it really suffers from 2-3 lurkers/replacements who hold back the game so I'd love to be able to avoid that.
As far as active lurking goes - that's definitely something to watch out for. Posting without direction and cluttering the thread doesn't accomplish anything useful for town. I don't think it's 100% reliable though, although I guess none of the other 'common tells' such as being wishy-washy, apologizing/avoiding confrontation, sheeping etc. are.
I would argue that those are not tells at all, usually mafia double and triple check their posts to sound as concise and not suspicious as possible. If some one was blundering/being unclear I would learn more towards them being town than mafia.
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On May 04 2013 12:41 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:20 eSpi.Casey wrote:Hi everyone, looking forward to play with all of you. I will try to be as active as possible, and i hope everyone else will try aswell, even though im from Norway and following CET timezone i will try to contribute with good/analytic post as the game goes on On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. I absolutley agree with this seems like a sheep casey, i realize this may be your first game, but do not just say agree or disagree, try to back it up with your thought process or etc so that people can get better reads.
I think it pretty much said itself though, as you also say : We should all try to make post with good content. And not alot of bs with nonsense.
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On May 04 2013 12:38 nobodywonder wrote:
@jrkirby good pickup, yes, but not really..its the nobody principle, i am a powerful wizard who will always roll vanilla.
well i'll show you again that i am town with fearless lynching and analysis, i am not afraid. delicious cereal shall be safeguarded today! rejoice.
@jrkirby what do you think about the lynch all lurkers policy?
What I'd prefer is not to have lurkers. But I think we should lynch whoever we think is scum, and lurking contributes towards scumread in my book.
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On May 04 2013 12:44 nobodywonder wrote:
just voted a lurker for now, see how Sugarfluff responds Can you explain this post - I'm confused what you mean since you haven't voted? Also for the future, I think avoiding 1-liners is best because they take up a lot of space and clutter filters.
@vayne - Most definitely, which is why i used the ' ' marks around common tells. When they become common they don't carry as much weight anymore because scum are very aware of them and can purposely use or not use them. Having said that, I think it's still worth looking at because they all boil down to actions that aren't in the best interest of town. Town never wants to clutter, to ramble without pressuring, or to lack purpose. Town doesn't want to avoid conflicts; they want to create them to get better reads and opinions on people and flush out scum. So they have some use but they aren't a silver bullet is my point.
I disagree with your first point - the the lynch definitely isn't down to "pure guess" by any means. It's up to town to look under rocks and dig up solid leads in order to make a solid lynch choice. Don't downplay the power of logic and pressure to reveal scum.
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A voice rings out from a strange artifact. Someone has hit the Rusty Spoon of Vengeance and the sound produced repeats as follows, "There is a voting thread for this game here. In order for your vote to count you will need to vote there. For those of you who follow along, thank you. For those who don't shall be smote with an holy vengeance."
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No Fruity Pebbles is a crime!
On May 04 2013 11:27 calgar wrote:
I'll start off by talking about a lurker lynch policy. I think it's beneficial to have a threat to lynch highly inactive players to try and force activity. In several past games lynching into the lurkers gave much better odds of hitting scum than the odds would be otherwise. Having said that, it's just a policy and obviously we should all pressure conversation, pursue reads, and lynch someone a better target if it comes about.
I say Yes to a Lynch Lurker Policy.
So far no one else has really said whether they're for or against the policy. Just some generic "Lurking is bad" posts.
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Not enough information yet to know whether I want to lynch lurkers or not. I need at least a post from everyone first, as well as some votes to come in. then we'll see
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Yes, rolled town again.
On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts
Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion?
On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.
Like this post of yours?
I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.
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Lynching lurkers sounds like a good plan, what are we thinking for activity then? Obviously everyone has to post at least once a day but people could post more whilst dodging questions or important issues.
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Well no one can be a complete lurker. You have to vote before the end of the day or get you get modkilled. So lurkers will just be people who vote and don't provide good reasons. And usually, that sounds like scum. So please, people. Post. Say useful stuff, have good reasons behind your votes.
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This makes sense, but what about people who are almost lurking? For example those who do post, but still not enough to have any decent thoughts?
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If someone doesn't have any decent thoughts, he's most likely to be scum, so we lynch him. You can "lurk" as a townie, if every single one of your posts makes you look very towny.
But lets move away from policy discussion. I want to discuss VayneAuthority. He's just popping in and out stating that he needs more information. But he ain't doing nothing to get that information. Vayne isn't trying to start discussion. He isn't asking any questions. Just excusing not doing anything at the start. Vayne says that first day lynching is "purely a guess" but he's doing nothing to change the fact that it's a guess. He isn't trying to figure other's alingments out. But the question remains: is he a disinterested townie who doesn't know how to play on day one or is he a scummer?
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VOTE COUNT:
Sugarfluff (2) nobodywonder, jampidampi
Not Voting: All the other cereals.
Breakfast is in ~40 hours. Voting is mandatory.
Currently Sugarfluff is set to be lynched!
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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Yes! Awesome feeling, waking up and knowing the PM is in my inbox! Less awesome to have some votes. ^^
Anyway, I was going to throw my vote right back at nobodywonder, but I feel VayneAuthority is slightly suspicious. Wrong lynching is obviously bad but mafia can use the extra, safe time to more effect I think.
Time to get breakfast and ponder.
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My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life.
What makes VayneAuthority suspicious to you?
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For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it.
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On May 04 2013 17:23 Sugarfluff wrote:
For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it.
Where does he show his intentions of a no-lynch?
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It's more along the line of calling it a guessing game, it's not like it's damning evidence. Still, it's what has stuck out the most to me so far.
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Since it stuck out the most to you, there must something else that stuck out to you. Care to tell?
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Well...
Feels kind of weird that you'd make an argument against Vayne, line up all the possible ways to interpret his first two posts and then question me when I'm basically agreeing with you. But I was gonna chalk that up to you wanting to get the ball rolling, which I suppose is working, so good job on that.
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I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1.
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On May 04 2013 18:30 Targe wrote:
I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1.
Does that make him scum in your eyes?
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On May 04 2013 18:38 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 18:30 Targe wrote:
I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1. Does that make him scum in your eyes?
You cannot base someone being scum off two posts, but he isn't off to a good start if he's trying to prove he's not, he's no.1 scum for me for now.
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Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some.
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On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.
I would argue that my statement is isnt a waste and adds value. This a game for new players, some of whom may not know a lot about lurking and such. This my first game so i had to do a some reading up on it and i doubt im alone on that. Making others aware of it encourages deeper reading of posts because scum will be posting. Why do you jampidampi, think it doesn't add anything?
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@VayneAuthority - On May 04 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
Not enough information yet to know whether I want to lynch lurkers or not. I need at least a post from everyone first, as well as some votes to come in. then we'll see Not Enough information to know whether we should policy lynch lurkers? The whole point of the policy vote is to get information. Saying that you want to see votes before you decide whether you want lynch lurkers sounds pretty bad. Like you're giving yourself an out in case your scum teammates starts to gather votes.
@jampidampi - On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.
First of all, what's the point of telling us you rolled town?
Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there.
But the wierd thing about you saying that you're not sold on policy lynching lurkers is that you then vote a lurker. This is your next post:On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life.
What makes VayneAuthority suspicious to you? Seems like you got sold on it pretty quickly.
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On May 04 2013 22:45 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. I would argue that my statement is isnt a waste and adds value. This a game for new players, some of whom may not know a lot about lurking and such. This my first game so i had to do a some reading up on it and i doubt im alone on that. Making others aware of it encourages deeper reading of posts because scum will be posting. Why do you jampidampi, think it doesn't add anything?
Anyone with a brain would first get an idea how to play, not just jump into a game. You're statement, when thought about a little, reads: "scum don't scumhunt". Isn't that like the first thing everyone tells you is a scumtell when they start playing? Even if they didn't read any guides on how to play, with a little bit of thinking they would arrive at similiar scumtells: scum don't contribute/fake contrinutions.
And your original statement talks about posts adding little to discussion. Not about adding nothing to the discussion. In your post you just went along with the thread sentiment of policy lynching lurkers while adding something of little value that didn't advance the discussion, unless of course it was your intention all along to get called out for that post.
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On May 04 2013 23:03 jampidampi wrote:
Anyone with a brain would first get an idea how to play, not just jump into a game. You're statement, when thought about a little, reads: "scum don't scumhunt". Isn't that like the first thing everyone tells you is a scumtell when they start playing? Even if they didn't read any guides on how to play, with a little bit of thinking they would arrive at similiar scumtells: scum don't contribute/fake contrinutions.
And your original statement talks about posts adding little to discussion. Not about adding nothing to the discussion. In your post you just went along with the thread sentiment of policy lynching lurkers while adding something of little value that didn't advance the discussion, unless of course it was your intention all along to get called out for that post.
Insults are not a productive way to get information. Your post just continues your overall assumptions of this game and apply them to everyone.
As for the remaining lurkers, it seems that a votes on a lurker gets them posting. Should we continue this trend until all are posting? Ie: vote for a lurker, then when they start posting unvote them?
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On May 04 2013 22:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:@jampidampi - Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. First of all, what's the point of telling us you rolled town?
Ooh, I called myself town, I must be scum. /sarcasm
Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there.
LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be.
But the wierd thing about you saying that you're not sold on policy lynching lurkers is that you then vote a lurker. This is your next post: Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life.
What makes VayneAuthority suspicious to you? Seems like you got sold on it pretty quickly.
At this early stage, the only purpose of votes is to pile them up on someone to pile up the pressure. One or two votes mean nothing. But pile four to five on a player? He's gonna feel the pressure and do something about it. No one likes to be on the chopping block. Especially scum. They tend to slip up when under heavy pressure. At this stage, if you have no purpose for your vote, you should just put it onto someone, who already has votes. Which is what I did.
And you failed to tell anyone how any of this would make me suspicious. How does anything you said point to me being scum?
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On May 04 2013 23:27 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 23:03 jampidampi wrote:
Anyone with a brain would first get an idea how to play, not just jump into a game. You're statement, when thought about a little, reads: "scum don't scumhunt". Isn't that like the first thing everyone tells you is a scumtell when they start playing? Even if they didn't read any guides on how to play, with a little bit of thinking they would arrive at similiar scumtells: scum don't contribute/fake contrinutions.
And your original statement talks about posts adding little to discussion. Not about adding nothing to the discussion. In your post you just went along with the thread sentiment of policy lynching lurkers while adding something of little value that didn't advance the discussion, unless of course it was your intention all along to get called out for that post. Insults are not a productive way to get information. Your post just continues your overall assumptions of this game and apply them to everyone.
When was the last time you played a game without having an idea about how to play? And nice strawman.
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[B]On May 04 2013 23:27 Spicydinosaur wrote:[B]
As for the remaining lurkers, it seems that a votes on a lurker gets them posting. Should we continue this trend until all are posting? Ie: vote for a lurker, then when they start posting unvote them?
For record I was asleep when the game started  The votes had nothing to do with why I started posting when I did, but the tactic might still be viable I suppose.
LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be.
Obviously you have to enforce it, that doesn't change what its intended purpose it. If you could use the policy to actually get people to post rather than just lynching them and getting rid of inactivity that way, wouldn't that be the better scenario?
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On May 04 2013 23:55 Sugarfluff wrote:For record I was asleep when the game started The votes had nothing to do with why I started posting when I did, but the tactic might still be viable I suppose.
I was asleep too! You're only like 2 hours ahead of me :p
Jokes aside I still think we should put pressure on lurkers though, I'll put my vote on Flowcaster for now.
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Well sugarfluff has stopped lurking, so the votes on him are kinda pointless. As targe pointed out, flowcaster is lurking, and also I notice shirokami is lurking, but he try to give an excuse at least.
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Well, I'm unvoting Sugarfluff for now since there's some content right now, time to read and analyze...
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On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.
what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it.
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On May 05 2013 02:22 jrkirby wrote:
Well sugarfluff has stopped lurking, so the votes on him are kinda pointless. As targe pointed out, flowcaster is lurking, and also I notice shirokami is lurking, but he try to give an excuse at least.
@jrkirby, what do you think of sugarfluff's posting so far?
On May 04 2013 17:14 Sugarfluff wrote:Yes! Awesome feeling, waking up and knowing the PM is in my inbox! Less awesome to have some votes. ^^ Anyway, I was going to throw my vote right back at nobodywonder, but I feel VayneAuthority is slightly suspicious. Wrong lynching is obviously bad but mafia can use the extra, safe time to more effect I think. Time to get breakfast and ponder.
@sugarfluff, who are your scumreads then? who are you thinking of voting?
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So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough.
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On May 05 2013 02:34 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it.
or you can change your play and not die...this is highly recommended if you are town. you almost deserve to die if you don't contribute
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On May 05 2013 02:37 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it. or you can change your play and not die...this is highly recommended if you are town. you almost deserve to die if you don't contribute
Showing up town and lynching the bandwagoners is enough of a contribution if it comes to that. Im used to being lynched day 1 since mafia fear logic and not emotional people.
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On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough.
this seems to ominous, I really dislike your mindset vayne. in the shitstorm of mafia XL that I was part of, town rallied after a couple of retarded lynches and plays (i myself am guilty). i just can't help but feel that you are kinda making excuses for not contributing. you are too early to call things, anyways you can work through filters and pages...again highly recommended as town
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@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse.
On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough.
What gives you this feeling?
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On May 05 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:37 nobodywonder wrote:On May 05 2013 02:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it. or you can change your play and not die...this is highly recommended if you are town. you almost deserve to die if you don't contribute Showing up town and lynching the bandwagoners is enough of a contribution if it comes to that. Im used to being lynched day 1 since mafia fear logic and not emotional people.
no, it's not. you need to contribute. for example, here's a bone for you
what do you think of sugarfluff's suscipion of you? what do you think of jampi's vt claim?
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On May 05 2013 02:45 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 05 2013 02:37 nobodywonder wrote:On May 05 2013 02:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it. or you can change your play and not die...this is highly recommended if you are town. you almost deserve to die if you don't contribute Showing up town and lynching the bandwagoners is enough of a contribution if it comes to that. Im used to being lynched day 1 since mafia fear logic and not emotional people. no, it's not. you need to contribute. for example, here's a bone for you what do you think of sugarfluff's suscipion of you? what do you think of jampi's vt claim?
I claimed town, not vt.
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On May 05 2013 02:45 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 05 2013 02:37 nobodywonder wrote:On May 05 2013 02:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it. or you can change your play and not die...this is highly recommended if you are town. you almost deserve to die if you don't contribute Showing up town and lynching the bandwagoners is enough of a contribution if it comes to that. Im used to being lynched day 1 since mafia fear logic and not emotional people. no, it's not. you need to contribute. for example, here's a bone for you what do you think of sugarfluff's suscipion of you? what do you think of jampi's vt claim?
two meaningless things that only emotional people would be bothered by. Logic is taking people's votes and the killings under analysis and making correct lynches based off them. PR roles also come into play here once people actually figure out what roles are in the game and have to attempt to convince people of what they know for sure.
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On May 05 2013 02:44 jampidampi wrote:@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough. What gives you this feeling?
Creating imaginary evidence based on emotions is not logic. What gives me this feeling is that either the town is quick to bandwagon on anything, or the mafia are being stupid and casting all their votes on me early. When I come up townie you can immediately go back and analyze who started the suspicions on me and who bandwagoned.
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There's so much more to analyse than just voting and nightkills. It's not imaginary evidence. If the only thing that mattered where voting and nightkills, scum could just RNG their actions and screw up logic.
On May 05 2013 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:44 jampidampi wrote:@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse. On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough. What gives you this feeling? Creating imaginary evidence based on emotions is not logic. What gives me this feeling is that either the town is quick to bandwagon on anything, or the mafia are being stupid and casting all their votes on me early. When I come up townie you can immediately go back and analyze who started the suspicions on me and who bandwagoned.
How did you come to that conclusion?
Can you link some of your old games, or maybe all of them?
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this is mafia, and there is no spock. you are vayne, not spock.
besides, if you want to argue logic, derp herrrrr emotions are a hint on how to people think still. if you want to be logical, you have to take emotions into account.
anyways no more excuses. and why so suicidal? i'd be happy to oblige you though.
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^^ i second jampi
@vayne link us your old games plz.
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I played on epicmafia for years before it turned terrible, there is nothing to link. Hundreds or thousands of short games.
I played one game on teamliquid and I was mafia then so I can link that.
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On May 05 2013 02:36 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:22 jrkirby wrote:
Well sugarfluff has stopped lurking, so the votes on him are kinda pointless. As targe pointed out, flowcaster is lurking, and also I notice shirokami is lurking, but he try to give an excuse at least. @jrkirby, what do you think of sugarfluff's posting so far?
Nothing particularly suspicious yet.
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Why did you make another account? Based on your posts in that game you have analysed a lot more things than just raw facts (votes/flips/nightkills). What has changed?
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On May 05 2013 02:56 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 05 2013 02:44 jampidampi wrote:@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse. On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough. What gives you this feeling? Creating imaginary evidence based on emotions is not logic. What gives me this feeling is that either the town is quick to bandwagon on anything, or the mafia are being stupid and casting all their votes on me early. When I come up townie you can immediately go back and analyze who started the suspicions on me and who bandwagoned. How did you come to that conclusion?
And answear this.
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On May 05 2013 03:41 jampidampi wrote:
Why did you make another account? Based on your posts in that game you have analysed a lot more things than just raw facts (votes/flips/nightkills). What has changed?
I dont know man, couldn't be my role or anything /sarcasm
Mafia feeds off emotion, town feeds off logic.
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On May 05 2013 03:42 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:56 jampidampi wrote:On May 05 2013 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 05 2013 02:44 jampidampi wrote:@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse. On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough. What gives you this feeling? Creating imaginary evidence based on emotions is not logic. What gives me this feeling is that either the town is quick to bandwagon on anything, or the mafia are being stupid and casting all their votes on me early. When I come up townie you can immediately go back and analyze who started the suspicions on me and who bandwagoned. How did you come to that conclusion? And answear this.
I came to that conclusion based off this first day's proceedings. Not a single shred of evidence and everyone is so quick to lynch me. Either a mafia bandwagon in the making or a dumb town.
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And again you the other question. If you are town you have nothing to fear, so speak your mind.
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On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there. LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be. I'm not saying that we wouldn't actually lynch the lurkers if they continued to lurk. I'm saying that getting everyone to post is what the actual goal of the LaL policy is. You say scum can mask themselves by not lurking. Well GOOD, that's what we want.
On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:
And you failed to tell anyone how any of this would make me suspicious. How does anything you said point to me being scum? Because in one post you basically say that we should leave lurkers alone and let the blue roles worry about them. And then you completely 180 and say that we should pressure the Lurkers. You make this post:
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. and then you go ahead and vote for a lurker and make this post:On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life. What happened to "leaving lurkers for our blues to handle"?
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On May 05 2013 04:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there. LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be. I'm not saying that we wouldn't actually lynch the lurkers if they continued to lurk. I'm saying that getting everyone to post is what the actual goal of the LaL policy is. You say scum can mask themselves by not lurking. Well GOOD, that's what we want.
No, I'm saying scum can mask themselves by driving policy lynches.
Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:
And you failed to tell anyone how any of this would make me suspicious. How does anything you said point to me being scum? Because in one post you basically say that we should leave lurkers alone and let the blue roles worry about them. And then you completely 180 and say that we should pressure the Lurkers. You make this post: Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. and then you go ahead and vote for a lurker and make this post: Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life. What happened to "leaving lurkers for our blues to handle"?
I didn't make that vote to "lynch lurkers", I made that vote to pile up the pressure. It says so in the post itself. What part of it is unclear to you?
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Ok, im back from work. Iv read trough the post, i will filter read tonight and come up with some more post`s. My thought`s so far : About Vayne I think we should give him a litte rest,and we try focus on other person`s, i will do some more filter read/analytic tonight aswell Though i would like to see some post with better content from you Vayne ,right now you`r not helping anyone.
Il start read some filter`s and post again later tonight when i have some more content
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@nobodywonder, I am curious as to why you put a vote on VayneAuthority. All the votes up to this point have been basically to get lurkers to post. Is your vote on him because of suspicion, an attempt to motivate him in some way, or another purpose?
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Based on my analysis I will be voting for Targe. Heading out for a while so ill be back later.
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Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum.
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On May 05 2013 06:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:
@nobodywonder, I am curious as to why you put a vote on VayneAuthority. All the votes up to this point have been basically to get lurkers to post. Is your vote on him because of suspicion, an attempt to motivate him in some way, or another purpose?
I am really annoyed by his day 1 logic thing. And as for the votes, not many people have voted so yeah... I vote him because I'm just annoyed, the action can be scummy, but his response I can't quite make a read...I'll clarify when he does this:
On May 05 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Based on my analysis I will be voting for Targe. Heading out for a while so ill be back later.
Interesting, you voted, but why? Please explain your logic or whatever you cling to.
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@ VayneAuthority : I try to put focus to other players, giving you a break and time to put up a post with some good content, but you keep posting short post with little or non content. Q : Can you explain why you would vote Targe ? I agree he have not posted much yet, but hard to read either town or scum from what he have posted..
@ shirokami You have barly contributed at all, and from what you say so far, you are not willing to post anything. And you want to wait to the very end before we see a good post from you ? I do not like this, and if you dont post some content before this you are for me the biggest scum for now, with Vayne as number 2. I will contiune read filters and update here, and i hope you do aswell
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On May 05 2013 03:35 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:36 nobodywonder wrote:On May 05 2013 02:22 jrkirby wrote:
Well sugarfluff has stopped lurking, so the votes on him are kinda pointless. As targe pointed out, flowcaster is lurking, and also I notice shirokami is lurking, but he try to give an excuse at least. @jrkirby, what do you think of sugarfluff's posting so far? Nothing particularly suspicious yet.
cool cool, let us know when you see anyone suspicious. your reads were pretty good last game, so I look forward to your posts. whats your read on me, jampi, vayne, the more activce posters?
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I'm still waiting for what shirokami and flowcaster have to say, shirokami sounds like he's made some interesting analysis with all his reading.
Also, I don't think jampi is acting like scum, he's talking sense with how scum can abuse the lynch policy.
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On May 05 2013 04:27 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there. LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be. I'm not saying that we wouldn't actually lynch the lurkers if they continued to lurk. I'm saying that getting everyone to post is what the actual goal of the LaL policy is. You say scum can mask themselves by not lurking. Well GOOD, that's what we want. No, I'm saying scum can mask themselves by driving policy lynches. Please explain what you mean by this because that's not what you said at all. You specifically said "scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker". How is that driving policy lynches?
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@sugarfluff - I don't like your posting very much so far. I understand the votes on you were a random bandwagon to try and prompt activity and what's come forth hasn't seemed very useful. I don't see you doing any hunting right now.
What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does.
On May 04 2013 17:23 Sugarfluff wrote:
For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it. As far as not lynching goes - it's absolutely terrible and town should never entertain this idea. End of story, no need to discuss something useless like this or hear reasons. I dislike how you're trying to imply uncertainty in your decisions and what you say.
On May 04 2013 17:55 Sugarfluff wrote:
But I was gonna chalk that up to you wanting to get the ball rolling, which I suppose is working, so good job on that. When jampi pressures you to explain your reads more you give another non-confrontational/non-commital response to him here. If vayne's play has stuck out to you the most, where is your vote?
Who are your top scum reads right now? Is it still vayne? Right now you are one of mine and I'm going to vote you as such.
@shirokami; @flowcaster - You guys are lurking WAY too much. This is completely unacceptable considering you have pledged your time to the game. If this keeps up you are going to force a lurker lynch. We cannot play when you guys aren't contributing.
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shirokami is troubling me greatly. Aside from the lack of content in his posts, the only things the posts say are that he is postponing his analysis/discussion.
On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some.
On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum.
He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list.
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On May 05 2013 08:10 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 06:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:
@nobodywonder, I am curious as to why you put a vote on VayneAuthority. All the votes up to this point have been basically to get lurkers to post. Is your vote on him because of suspicion, an attempt to motivate him in some way, or another purpose?
I am really annoyed by his day 1 logic thing. And as for the votes, not many people have voted so yeah... I vote him because I'm just annoyed, the action can be scummy, but his response I can't quite make a read...I'll clarify when he does this: Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Based on my analysis I will be voting for Targe. Heading out for a while so ill be back later. Interesting, you voted, but why? Please explain your logic or whatever you cling to.
I will divulge if im about to be lynched, otherwise I do not want the mafia to know how I think yet. Still picking up clues from this first day. Second day is when the real hunting begins.
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On May 05 2013 12:31 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:10 nobodywonder wrote:On May 05 2013 06:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:
@nobodywonder, I am curious as to why you put a vote on VayneAuthority. All the votes up to this point have been basically to get lurkers to post. Is your vote on him because of suspicion, an attempt to motivate him in some way, or another purpose?
I am really annoyed by his day 1 logic thing. And as for the votes, not many people have voted so yeah... I vote him because I'm just annoyed, the action can be scummy, but his response I can't quite make a read...I'll clarify when he does this: On May 05 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Based on my analysis I will be voting for Targe. Heading out for a while so ill be back later. Interesting, you voted, but why? Please explain your logic or whatever you cling to. I will divulge if im about to be lynched, otherwise I do not want the mafia to know how I think yet. Still picking up clues from this first day. Second day is when the real hunting begins.
If you're town and think Targe is mafia, you want to share your analysis so that others also think he is mafia and lynch him. NO excuses.
On May 05 2013 09:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 05 2013 04:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there. LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be. I'm not saying that we wouldn't actually lynch the lurkers if they continued to lurk. I'm saying that getting everyone to post is what the actual goal of the LaL policy is. You say scum can mask themselves by not lurking. Well GOOD, that's what we want. No, I'm saying scum can mask themselves by driving policy lynches. Please explain what you mean by this because that's not what you said at all. You specifically said "scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker". How is that driving policy lynches?
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.
The bolded and the underlined are two different things. Lately you have been concentrating on only me. Any opinions about others?
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VOTE COUNT:
Sugarfluff (2) nobodywonder, jampidampi, calgar
Flowcaster (1) Targe
VayneAuthority (1) nobodywonder
Targe (1) VayneAuthority
Not Voting: All the other cereals.
Breakfast is in ~19 hours. Voting is mandatory.
Currently Sugarfluff is set to be lynched!
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 17:23 Sugarfluff wrote:
For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it. As far as not lynching goes - it's absolutely terrible and town should never entertain this idea. End of story, no need to discuss something useless like this or hear reasons. I dislike how you're trying to imply uncertainty in your decisions and what you say.
I get you logic except this part. I specifically stated that I didn't know if it was useless. What if it wasn't useless, should I not learn it? And you should always get reasons for everything. Which is why Vaynes vote for Targe is just another suspicious move on his part, however right it may be the logic needs to be there and the reasons need to be known.
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
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@spicy
My phone corrects my punctuation so my posts will not lack in that manner, the hard part is to quote and paste things. My punctuation will go worse when I have no autocorrect anymore I'm traveling as I write back to home, still many kilometers to go but hey I will post something big after I get back home.
I'm sorry for not been posting anything with content.
One thing is I like jarjars posts. Will tell you later why.
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On May 05 2013 18:06 shirokami wrote:@spicy My phone corrects my punctuation so my posts will not lack in that manner, the hard part is to quote and paste things. My punctuation will go worse when I have no autocorrect anymore I'm traveling as I write back to home, still many kilometers to go but hey I will post something big after I get back home. I'm sorry for not been posting anything with content. One thing is I like jarjars posts. Will tell you later why.
Could you give an estimate how long it will take for you to come out with this big post?
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On May 05 2013 11:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:shirokami is troubling me greatly. Aside from the lack of content in his posts, the only things the posts say are that he is postponing his analysis/discussion. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list.
Just noticed this post, I don't think shirokami is scum right now, grammar and spelling is done for you on a phone and it's hard to write long posts, hopefully he can get his word across before it's time to vote.
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On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote:On May 04 2013 17:23 Sugarfluff wrote:
For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it. As far as not lynching goes - it's absolutely terrible and town should never entertain this idea. End of story, no need to discuss something useless like this or hear reasons. I dislike how you're trying to imply uncertainty in your decisions and what you say. I get you logic except this part. I specifically stated that I didn't know if it was useless. What if it wasn't useless, should I not learn it? And you should always get reasons for everything. Which is why Vaynes vote for Targe is just another suspicious move on his part, however right it may be the logic needs to be there and the reasons need to be known. Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
He's assuming that the reasoning is obvious I guess, there is no reason not to lynch, you have moderate odds to get a mafia even by chance and if there are votes on mafia member it pressures them into acting.
Vayne's free to vote for me as no one isn't suspect on D1, he obviously has some logic behind his post but he hasn't shared it just yet.
I'm interested in what Jarjar is going to do, I think the conclusion has been reached that we won't policy lynch? Correct me if I'm wrong. You're right about his posts only concerning policy lynches though, he hasn't put forward any arguments on people and seems to be commenting on general topics only, activity like that is indicative of scum or SK.
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Just voted for Jampi for reasons already stated. Gonna be out for most of the day but should be back way before the deadline.
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Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline.
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This is going to be a terrible lynch if no one frickin' votes. The lynch is not going to give us anything if the votes are too spread out. At this point, I want no bullshit, give me transparency. Right now, I'm annoyed by several people, especially shirokami and vayne. why the hell are you saying that you have logic or stuff to say, but can't do so on day 1?
also @spicydinosaur, don't vote flowcaster for now because at this point he may be replaced or something. why don't you be productive and give an opinion on the active players right now.
i just looked at your filter, shirokami. your filter is terrible. you post but never contribute anything besides saying my phone is terrible for typing and i'll get back to you in a while.
On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some.
On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum.
On May 05 2013 18:06 shirokami wrote:@spicy My phone corrects my punctuation so my posts will not lack in that manner, the hard part is to quote and paste things. My punctuation will go worse when I have no autocorrect anymore I'm traveling as I write back to home, still many kilometers to go but hey I will post something big after I get back home. I'm sorry for not been posting anything with content. One thing is I like jarjars posts. Will tell you later why.
On May 05 2013 18:25 shirokami wrote:
About 8 hours.
You may have a legitimate reason with the phone thing, but seriously delaying contribution and analysis is hugely detrimental to town. I understand you can't quote stuff, but you can still give analysis of Jarjar's post somewhat. I didn't find Jarjar's posting that great...
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@ spicydinosaur
why didn't you vote for shirokami? why vote for flowcaster?
On May 05 2013 11:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:shirokami is troubling me greatly. Aside from the lack of content in his posts, the only things the posts say are that he is postponing his analysis/discussion. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list.
On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline.
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On May 06 2013 03:00 nobodywonder wrote:@ spicydinosaur why didn't you vote for shirokami? why vote for flowcaster? Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 11:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:shirokami is troubling me greatly. Aside from the lack of content in his posts, the only things the posts say are that he is postponing his analysis/discussion. On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list. Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline.
I'm going to be changing my vote from flowmaster, he hasn't posted once so is going to be modkilled and replaced.
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@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.
If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.
I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.
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On May 06 2013 03:04 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:00 nobodywonder wrote:@ spicydinosaur why didn't you vote for shirokami? why vote for flowcaster? On May 05 2013 11:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:shirokami is troubling me greatly. Aside from the lack of content in his posts, the only things the posts say are that he is postponing his analysis/discussion. On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list. On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. I'm going to be changing my vote from flowmaster, he hasn't posted once so is going to be modkilled and replaced.
why jarjar? explain.
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Voted JarJarDinks for now because of previously stated reasons, shirokami, can you please post that analysis soon? It may give some more insight as to your alignment as well as influencing several people's votes.
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On May 06 2013 03:10 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:04 Targe wrote:On May 06 2013 03:00 nobodywonder wrote:@ spicydinosaur why didn't you vote for shirokami? why vote for flowcaster? On May 05 2013 11:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:shirokami is troubling me greatly. Aside from the lack of content in his posts, the only things the posts say are that he is postponing his analysis/discussion. On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list. On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. I'm going to be changing my vote from flowmaster, he hasn't posted once so is going to be modkilled and replaced. why jarjar? explain.
I'm suspecting jarjar because he hasn't expressed opinions of other people, he has only explained his opinions on general things such as lynch policy, seems like he is trying to avoid lurking whilst appearing to contribute.
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HELLO PEOPLE ITS TIME FOR ANALYSIS!
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I having problems deciding which scummy fucker I lynch. There are so many scummy people running around I just can't decide which of them should run around no more. I haven't yet decided who will get my final vote, but it should become clearer to me as I construct this post.
shirokami and eSpi.Casey promised contributions, but they are nowhere to be seen.
JarJarDrinks has only tunneled me. Reading a past town game from him, he's perfectly capable of thinking multiple people at the same time, yet here he doesn't do that. JarJar is clinging on to a single thing I said, and doesn't even consider other things I say, not to mention everything everyone else says.
jrkirbys filter is a lot of nothing and a little bit lurking. In fact, I can summarize his "contributions" in two words: don't lurk. Yet that appears to be exactly what he is doing. The only other posts in his filter not about lurking are these:
On May 04 2013 12:21 jrkirby wrote:
@nobodywonder: Being VT in other games doesn't affect the probability of you being town in this game. You had the same probability of being scum as the rest of us. jrkirby notes the correct probablity works. A null post in a vacuum, but given that it is his only contribution, it is is starting to smell like scum.
On May 05 2013 03:35 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:36 nobodywonder wrote:On May 05 2013 02:22 jrkirby wrote:
Well sugarfluff has stopped lurking, so the votes on him are kinda pointless. As targe pointed out, flowcaster is lurking, and also I notice shirokami is lurking, but he try to give an excuse at least. @jrkirby, what do you think of sugarfluff's posting so far? Nothing particularly suspicious yet. jrkirby responds when called out. This is the only time we hear his opinions on any specific player.
Calgar posted some reasonings pointing to Sugarfluff being scum. link
I see little clear towntells in Sugarfluffs filter. It's not a strong read, but he isn't appearing very townie.
VayneAuthority behaviour is really scummy. I'll not repeat previous analysis, but not sharing your though process when providing your only scumread is scummy as hell. However, this and similiar things make me want to give him just a little bit on extra time. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts
I have my suspicions on Targe too, but they aren't that significant and I want see VayneAuthority says about him before anyone else analyses him.
This ended being a big list post of more than half of the players in the game, but right now I'm up to lynching JarJar or jrkirby, unless something convincing comes up.
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Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum.
Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention.
Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian.
@Calgar
Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun.
@everyone
Feel free to ask anything.
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FloWcaster has been warned for inactivity. They will be replaced at the end of the cycle if they do not reply. 7 hours remain in the cycle.
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Oh shirokami is here. Great. Can you comment on my analysis? Also your reason for JarJar boils down to the fact that you don't think that me and JarJar are scumbuddies. As I know I'm town, that doesn't clear him from my perspective. Any other reason you like him? Because he has tackled on a small thing ignoring everything else, and I don't see that as particulary townie.
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And do you have opinions on other people?
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@jampidampi
I agree on the point he has been only focusing you. and thats odd. but also, he gave some good points about you. So im not really sure about your alignments. It might be that he is just focusing his scummiest read OR he is just fake contributing.
But, he indeed seems to be capable to focus many people, but is it really the real tactic?
@jarjar
If jampidampi is scum, who is his buddies? and is vayne scum?
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@Jampi
pretty null, few townvibes but nothing else on others. We will get the first few facts in next two phases and that will make the game pretty much.
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On May 06 2013 04:11 shirokami wrote:
@jampidampi
I agree on the point he has been only focusing you. and thats odd. but also, he gave some good points about you. So im not really sure about your alignments. It might be that he is just focusing his scummiest read OR he is just fake contributing.
But, he indeed seems to be capable to focus many people, but is it really the real tactic?
All he has done on me boils down to his interpretation on two unclear (in retrospect) posts on my part. Then when he finally votes me, he ignores my latest response to him. That is the only thing for which he calls me scum, and it isn't very convincing.
And there are three scummers, so hunting down one will only get you so far. If you concentrate on just one person, what will you do when he flips? You are back to square one. If he flips town, you are even further behind. If you pressure multiple scumreads, you have more to analyse after your target dies. Consider a case when the rest of town doesn't listen to you. If you hadn't focused on just one guy, you'd have a second scumread, and could push for his lynch/consolidate on him.
On May 06 2013 04:13 shirokami wrote:
@Jampi
pretty null, few townvibes but nothing else on others. We will get the first few facts in next two phases and that will make the game pretty much.
Who give you townvibes? What is your read on Calgar? You mention him, but you reach no conclusion, just mention that his filter is not fun, what's that even supposed to mean? That it's scummy? That it lacks contributions? That it lacks posts?
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@jampi
calgar lacks real contributions. and towntells are not necessary to say at this point, only scum matters.
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You don't have say you think they are town, just who they are. Do you have any better reasons for JarJar not being scum, or do I vote him?
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I'm going to get sleep. See you night one!
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On May 06 2013 03:09 nobodywonder wrote:
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.
If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.
I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.
shrug, just some brief pickups from him being too agreeable and deciding early on whether people are acting "scummy" or not. Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him
Not going to reveal the second part of my analysis just yet because I would like to see where this first lynching goes before I divulge any more of how I think because it could change the mafia playstyle.
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On May 06 2013 05:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:09 nobodywonder wrote:
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.
If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.
I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.
shrug, just some brief pickups from him being too agreeable and deciding early on whether people are acting "scummy" or not. Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him Not going to reveal the second part of my analysis just yet because I would like to see where this first lynching goes before I divulge any more of how I think because it could change the mafia playstyle.
Wow, are you serious considering about a no-lynch? How is that going to help town? How would you get your logic deductions if there's nothing to go on?
Are you serious about not revealing the second part of the analysis? I don't see why you don't. Sigh I know I'm berating the same things over and over again, but I am just annoyed by your play. You seem scummy, but I have a feeling you are just a slightly weird town...
@shirokami i like your activity since you're back. keep it up.
As for the metagaming, I don't like jrkirby and Jarjar. In the last game, jrkirby was a great town with good reads, this game he has been very lurky. Also in the last game, Jarjar did the same thing, tunneling a single town. In this game, Jarjar is tunneling jampi, who I have a town read so far in this game.
So since I am not confident about Vayne today, my gut tells me that he may just be a silly town. For today, I think that Jarjar is most suspicious and I'm going to vote him. Honestly I just feel that so many people are scummy. I am looking at basically all of you guys but especially jrkirby, jarjar, sugarfluff.
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On May 06 2013 05:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:09 nobodywonder wrote:
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.
If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.
I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.
shrug, just some brief pickups from him being too agreeable and deciding early on whether people are acting "scummy" or not. Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him Not going to reveal the second part of my analysis just yet because I would like to see where this first lynching goes before I divulge any more of how I think because it could change the mafia playstyle.
From your analysis, I don't see how Targe is quite scum, but rather more like a questionable town with scummy actions. Vayne, you're going to have to work a lot harder today or tomorrow with your analysis if you want to live. Okay, so besides Targe, who is suscipious to you or bothers you?
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Im trying to figure out who i should be voting for, but i find it pretty hard, i still think vayne seem`s scummy, Flowcaster seems to be replaced. I think its to little content to find a good[b] scumread and vote for. Im tempted to vote for Vayne, but if he flip`s town we will have a total caos on day2, i put my vote on Flowcaster for now, i will be reading here before the day ends, and might change my vote from what i read and how the game evolves
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NOOOO, casey! don't vote Flowcaster, it's the easy way out. This is really scummy.
CHANGE IT NOW... WORK HARDER
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as a public service announcement:
DO NOT VOTE FLOWCASTER
if you do you are either a stupid town or scum. neither of which is good. DO NOT DO THIS.
at this point, Flowcaster may be modkilled, or replaced and I do not see the purpose of killing a lurker at this point. What fucking information does it give us? Nothing.
again, do not vote flowcaster. give analysis of the actives or somewhat actives and vote.
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casey, I assume you are here. If you try to avoid me now, you are my prime scumread. Unvote now and vote for someone else.
or at least talk to me casey.
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Its not my final vote, as i said im tempted to vote Vayne , but i want to see how this develops the last hours, while i try read some filters and hopefully be able to place a vote a little more secure then i feel now, would be really bad if Vayne, or someone else turns town, its pretty much chaos now, and D2 would be really bad if we lynch a townnie
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ok good, thanks for responding casey. well, why don't you lay down the heat then. poke and prod vayne then, ask him questions and see how they develop and if you like them. don't be passive.
i look forward to reading analysis from you. any analysis is fine. don't worry about how accurate it may be. don't be afraid to be wrong. just get it out and i'll help analyze the ideas and we can discuss.
as for voting
@spicydino change your from flowcaster and vote someone else
@jrkirby vote dammnit
@flowcaster are you alive?
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@casey, what do you think about jarjar because right now he is going to be lynched. what do you think about his behavior and his voters?
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Cmon guys just read vaynes filter and tell me its not scum.
I'm gonna sleep soon. Lynch scum thx.
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I think it is important for us to revisit the previously discussed lurker-lynch policy, specifically since we are getting down to the deadline and we have a major lurker in flowcaster. I didn't bring it up for no reason; I'm serious and think there is a reason town benefits from the policy and there was general consensus. If we mention it and don't follow through on voting lurkers then we are giving anyone a free pass to lurk for the game.
@nobodywonder, spicydinosaur, jarjardrinks, targe, shirokami - I'd like to hear your thoughts on this because you all have specifically agreed with the policy.
I'm keeping my vote on sugarfluff for now because he has read scummy to me so far but the fact that flowcaster has lurked so much is definitely bad. I'm willing to switch my vote to enforce the lurker lynch policy closer to the deadline if flowcaster doesn't drop some serious content.
@shiro - Glad to see you're posting content now. I understand you'd like more content from me; right back at you. I noticed you've jumped onto a player who has already received heat after joining late. Seems like an easy way to sheep a D1 vote, would you not agree?
@vayne
On May 06 2013 05:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him I strongly disagree with you here. There's a reason to pressure lurkers - it's to get them to talk. If they don't talk you don't get any information from them and you can't play the game. You're assuming that all lurkers are town here and that just doesn't follow. Town gains nothing from lurking. Your stance here doesn't make sense; the way you see it if scum lurks they are given a free pass for the game. And again, please don't bring up a no-lynch. It's an utter waste of time D1.
@sugarfluff
On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote:On May 04 2013 17:23 Sugarfluff wrote:
For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it. As far as not lynching goes - it's absolutely terrible and town should never entertain this idea. End of story, no need to discuss something useless like this or hear reasons. I dislike how you're trying to imply uncertainty in your decisions and what you say. I get you logic except this part. I specifically stated that I didn't know if it was useless. What if it wasn't useless, should I not learn it? And you should always get reasons for everything. Which is why Vaynes vote for Targe is just another suspicious move on his part, however right it may be the logic needs to be there and the reasons need to be known. Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him. I'm still not impressed with your posting sugarfluff. I understand you may or may not have known but that kind of tactic is something mafia like to do in order to be less threatening and noticed. I'd like to see you be more committed in taking a stand and outlining your reads. You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in?
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@calgar at this point, LAL doesnt apply to flowcaster since
On May 06 2013 03:55 kitaman27 wrote:
FloWcaster has been warned for inactivity. They will be replaced at the end of the cycle if they do not reply. 7 hours remain in the cycle.
On May 06 2013 05:37 nobodywonder wrote:
NOOOO, casey! don't vote Flowcaster, it's the easy way out. This is really scummy.
CHANGE IT NOW... WORK HARDER
On May 06 2013 05:39 nobodywonder wrote:
as a public service announcement:
DO NOT VOTE FLOWCASTER
if you do you are either a stupid town or scum. neither of which is good. DO NOT DO THIS.
at this point, Flowcaster may be modkilled, or replaced and I do not see the purpose of killing a lurker at this point. What fucking information does it give us? Nothing.
again, do not vote flowcaster. give analysis of the actives or somewhat actives and vote.
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@calgar, what do you think of the Jarjar lynch? who are your top reads other than sugarfluff?
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I am going to off soon, I have a taiko concert to go, so ask my questions or whatever for about 15 minutes and I'll respond asap. I think jarjar is the right choice today and it'll give us good ideas about what to do day 2.
many of you guys are looking very scummy. be more active plz, jrkirby and flowcaster
change your votes, casey and spicy
and dont you dare switch to flowcaster, calgar or try to convince anyone to do so. it is stupid. we are here to kill scum, and we dont always have to follow the rules
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On May 06 2013 06:41 nobodywonder wrote:
@calgar, what do you think of the Jarjar lynch? who are your top reads other than sugarfluff? I'll be able to type something longer before lynch but very quickly: it's hard to make any decision on jarjar because he's posted very little but I don't really like it because I read him as town. I think he has better logic and critical points than other people in the thread. I think vayne has said some really scummy stuff and been scummy as hell in general continuing to bring up no-lynch. I would rather lynch vayne or sugar over jarjar as of now.
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@calgar
Jarjar's logic and wording is fine, it makes more sense than others, but I'm concerned about his tunneling of jampi, which I find strange and does fit his meta. The thing is why can't jarjar extend his reasoning to others?
as for vayne, I definitely agree he is very scummy, but for now I'm more inclined to believe he is just a very very weird town. If at any point, his activity decreases or becomes even more scummy, I'd gladly lynch him.
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well i gtg, gl town gl gl
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@calgar, I wasn't calling for a lal policy, I was calling for a put pressure on lurkers with votes tactic.
Looks like jarjar's eating this lynch, I was hoping the voting would put some pressure on him to explain himself but he hasn't responded, annoying, if he turns out to be town that is a wasted day and a lynch, we'll be giving scum breathing room for another day.
Casey and Spicy, you really need to change your votes, flowcaster is pointless as he is about to be modkilled. Calgar, don't switch to flowcaster, that's a terrible idea because of his modkilling.
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@calgar
Yeah no. I'm not sheeping anyone. Vayne has made posts that are all over the place don't you think? And now he is even wanting nolynch wtf.
I'm sticking with him, I'm not really against jarjar-lynch but I still keep vayne on top of my list. If jar jar is scum, jampi isn't.
Also my awesome grammar thanks to my phone again, decided to check back before sleep.
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I'm off to bed now, goodnight guys.
vote well.
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##Unvote : Flowcaster
##Vote : JarJarDrinks
Jarjar and Vayne seems as the most scumming once for me, with jarjar as the scummiest, jarjar have barly contributed, Vayne says he will contribute, but not before D2, atleast he seems more active then jarjar, im looking forward to see what you come up with on D2 Veyne, if your still here. Tomorrow i have free from work and will spend much time analytic post/filters and try to contribute more then i have done soo far. I think maybe i should have obs`ed a game before i started playing, this was a bit harder then i expected, but il try to keep up.
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Ok, after rading all the filters and all the thread I have made my guess: A scumteam of nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami.
Lucky for them, they so far have no votes on the entire team. Scum will attempt to distance themselves from each other, but will hate to risk one of them dying on the first day. First they have distanced themselves by all voting for different people. If Jarjardrinks were scum, he'd be defended by someone, and there'd be a surge of votes and accusations onto someone else. Instead, I think the scum have one person on him to guarantee he'll be lynched, and the rest spread out.
Also, nobodywonder and casey have put evidence against shirokami, but there are still no votes against him.
On May 05 2013 08:12 eSpi.Casey wrote:
@ shirokami You have barly contributed at all, and from what you say so far, you are not willing to post anything. And you want to wait to the very end before we see a good post from you ? I do not like this, and if you dont post some content before this you are for me the biggest scum for now, with Vayne as number 2. I will contiune read filters and update here, and i hope you do aswell
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 02:53 nobodywonder wrote:This is going to be a terrible lynch if no one frickin' votes. The lynch is not going to give us anything if the votes are too spread out. At this point, I want no bullshit, give me transparency. Right now, I'm annoyed by several people, especially shirokami and vayne. why the hell are you saying that you have logic or stuff to say, but can't do so on day 1? also @spicydinosaur, don't vote flowcaster for now because at this point he may be replaced or something. why don't you be productive and give an opinion on the active players right now. i just looked at your filter, shirokami. your filter is terrible. you post but never contribute anything besides saying my phone is terrible for typing and i'll get back to you in a while. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 18:06 shirokami wrote:@spicy My phone corrects my punctuation so my posts will not lack in that manner, the hard part is to quote and paste things. My punctuation will go worse when I have no autocorrect anymore I'm traveling as I write back to home, still many kilometers to go but hey I will post something big after I get back home. I'm sorry for not been posting anything with content. One thing is I like jarjars posts. Will tell you later why. You may have a legitimate reason with the phone thing, but seriously delaying contribution and analysis is hugely detrimental to town. I understand you can't quote stuff, but you can still give analysis of Jarjar's post somewhat. I didn't find Jarjar's posting that great...
also casey says he's "tempted to vote vayne" who I think is their second day lynch plan.
Also, nobodywonder doesn't like the votes being split up:
On May 06 2013 02:53 nobodywonder wrote:
This is going to be a terrible lynch if no one frickin' votes. The lynch is not going to give us anything if the votes are too spread out. At this point, I want no bullshit, give me transparency.
It sounds like he wants us all to follow and BW a townie. If we BW there's no way of telling who the scum is. The BW could have been started by either scum or town, but one thing is certain, it's a town who'll get lynched at the end of the day.
Shirokami is tunneling vayne, mainly because of this:
On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote:
Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum.
And while I agree that it's a mistake to do as vayne is doing, it's a mistake I understand as I made a similar mistake last game.
Casey is still voting flowcaster, who is going to get modkilled tonight, and is teaming up with shirokami's suspicion even tough he's trying to distance himself from him.
Overall, I'm not very certain on this scumteam, it's just my current greatest suspicion. It could only be one of these is scum, or even none. So far, the scummiest seems to be nobodywonder, so I'll vote him.
But here's what I'm most confident on: jarjar probably is town. The way the votes have arrainged themselves, there's probably a single scum voting for him.
Also, I'm currently reading jampidampi as town; he's made some productive posts and discussion. Everyone else I pretty much have a null read.
I should be around until end of the day, so ask away if you like.
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Well it looks like Casey has jumped on the jarjardrinks bandwagon since I started writing. It seems it'll turn out the same way it always happens: town gets lynched day 1. Hopefully by the end of the day I'll have stronger reads on who is scum.
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Forgive me, but I fail to see how no lynching day 1 is so ridiculous in a game with PR roles. Killing town off before having evidence to go off of only helps the mafia. By lynching some one instead of not lynching, thats a whole day less of PR roles gathering info.
Could some one explain to me how no lynching is bad? All the people against that are very suspicious to me for the time being.
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I have always played in small games with PR roles on epicmafia.com where day 1 lynching a lot of the time is obscene and would get you called a noob pretty harshly so I dunno why people are so vehemently against it. This is how I was taught to play.
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You're right in that we'll almost never actually manage to lynch mafia day one. It's just not going to happen. But what we do get is reads on all the players. If everyone just no lynched day one, we would get pretty much no information. We wouldn't be able to see who voted for who and why.
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On May 06 2013 08:18 jrkirby wrote:
You're right in that we'll almost never actually manage to lynch mafia day one. It's just not going to happen. But what we do get is reads on all the players. If everyone just no lynched day one, we would get pretty much no information. We wouldn't be able to see who voted for who and why.
The problem is assuming that the mafia are idiots. Id rather have no information than meaningless information. A common strategy, bussing, is used a lot to "clear" mafia individuals when they lead a lynch against another mafia. Completely worthless reads.
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OK, so I'd like to defend myself but I haven't really seen any real reasons for voting me. Targe says that he's annoyed that I havent responded even though I specificly said I'd be gone much of the day.
Hopefully people see how easily the votes piled on me after I said I'd be away. If I was scum, don't you think there'd be someone else accumulating votes to try and take the heat off of me?
Anyway, I'm pretty convinced Targe is scum.
Here's Targe's reasoning for voting me:On May 06 2013 03:14 Targe wrote:
I'm suspecting jarjar because he hasn't expressed opinions of other people, he has only explained his opinions on general things such as lynch policy, seems like he is trying to avoid lurking whilst appearing to contribute.
Please look @ my filter (I know, not that long yet) and tell me that I haven't expressed my opinion on people. Now look @ Targes filter and tell me 99% of his posts aren't filler.
Gonna reread some more and try to figure out why people are voting for me but please feel free to ask me specific questions.
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So that's pretty much it? Everyone's just gonna disapear for the last few hours of the day? Again, no one else getting more than 1 vote should make everyone realize that I'm not scum.
Everyone that has just a single vote on someone is just wasting their vote right now. If I'm gonna be lynched then I'd like for the town to @ least get something out of it. Everyone should really consolidate votes so there's actually something to analyse tomorrow.
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Yeah, I can tell that you're not scum. I want to know what other peoples opinions on nobodywonder is.
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Alright guys, who is actually around between now and lynch? I think it's the middle of the night for shiro, targ, and casey since they are in Europe so they won't be around. flowcaster is MIA as is spicydinosaur, although he's pledged to return by the deadline.
@jrkirby - who would you lynch right now instead of jarjar since you think he is town? Can we potentially swing the vote here? I'd say sugar or vayne over jarjar so we seem to disagree there since you say nobody?
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On May 06 2013 09:17 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, I can tell that you're not scum. I want to know what other peoples opinions on nobodywonder is.
My opinion on NW is that he's acted scummy in both of the other games I played in so I have a null read since he's acting similiar in this game.
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I would say swing the vote, but jarjar already has 5 votes and there aren't 5 active guys here. And the next voted guy is targe, who I have a null read on.
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On May 06 2013 09:42 jrkirby wrote:
I would say swing the vote, but jarjar already has 5 votes and there aren't 5 active guys here. And the next voted guy is targe, who I have a null read on. Mehh, I think everyone should try to be around for the lynch times. It can only ever help. I'll keep an eye to see if anyone else jumps in before 10 and something crazy happens.
Since you appear to be leaving us as of now in about an hour jarjar, can you give us any reads that you haven't mentioned or insights?
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Also, you can claim right now, jarjar, but I bet you're VT.
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On May 06 2013 09:42 jrkirby wrote:
I would say swing the vote, but jarjar already has 5 votes and there aren't 5 active guys here. And the next voted guy is targe, who I have a null read on. Well wouldn't you rather lynch someone you have a null read on instead of someone you read as town? If you and calgar switch then it'll be 5 to 4. Then maybe one of the people voting for me will show up and can switch it around.
And yes I'm VT.
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It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote:
Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum.
Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention.
Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian.
@Calgar
Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun.
@everyone
Feel free to ask anything.
Vayne's post are quite troubling as many of you have pointed out, he doesn't reveal his thoughts to the group.
On May 06 2013 05:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:09 nobodywonder wrote:
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.
If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.
I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.
shrug, just some brief pickups from him being too agreeable and deciding early on whether people are acting "scummy" or not. Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him Not going to reveal the second part of my analysis just yet because I would like to see where this first lynching goes before I divulge any more of how I think because it could change the mafia playstyle.
His unwillingness to complete reveal is troubling but he has given some analysis. If this trend continues into day 2 then i would be more inclined to vote him.
Now finally to Targe. I feel he has tried to hide his views on others the most. Initially he seemed a bit sheepish just going along with the policy (though I can be viewed the same as well). However as the thread continued he keeps waiting to see what others are saying, which would not be bad in and of themselves. However I feel like an "opinion" that he has made on the other players is barebones. He suspects Jarjar in that he believes Jarjar only posts about the general topic and not the players, yet Targe I feel is guilty of the same.
On May 05 2013 20:21 Targe wrote:
I'm interested in what Jarjar is going to do, I think the conclusion has been reached that we won't policy lynch? Correct me if I'm wrong. You're right about his posts only concerning policy lynches though, he hasn't put forward any arguments on people and seems to be commenting on general topics only, activity like that is indicative of scum or SK.
Jarjar early on went after Vayne for this post and I feel at least for this day, Jarjar tried to encourage the discussion:
On May 04 2013 22:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:couple of FOS's @VayneAuthority - Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
Not enough information yet to know whether I want to lynch lurkers or not. I need at least a post from everyone first, as well as some votes to come in. then we'll see Not Enough information to know whether we should policy lynch lurkers? The whole point of the policy vote is to get information. Saying that you want to see votes before you decide whether you want lynch lurkers sounds pretty bad. Like you're giving yourself an out in case your scum teammates starts to gather votes. @jampidampi - Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:Yes, rolled town again. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion? On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation. Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. First of all, what's the point of telling us you rolled town? Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there. But the wierd thing about you saying that you're not sold on policy lynching lurkers is that you then vote a lurker. This is your next post: Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life.
What makes VayneAuthority suspicious to you? Seems like you got sold on it pretty quickly.
The others dont bother me as much such as Calgar and nobody. As such, because of the impending mod kill, i am changing my vote to targe. I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
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Well, I'm willing to give it a shot. But I doubt your ass will be saved. I wish people had lynched you like this last game.
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Well, here's spicy on targe. If Calgar comes too we'll get a tie, but a tie isn't enough to lynch because jarjar got the votes first. And I'm really wary about this, because I don't really think targe is scum either. I'm just less confident of his townyness than jarjar.
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Well @ least it's a 2 horse race now. We know Calgar is definately around so if he doesn't vote Targe then we can pretty much count him as a vote for me. Hopefully someone else shows up.
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I'm also extremely hesitant because I think several other people are scummier than targe. He's also said that he's left the thread which makes him an easy target to flip the lynch to when he can't defend himself.
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indeed this late bandwagon switch is very troubling. Whoever is a town PR role NEEDS to inspect Jarjar/Targe tonight, whoever doesnt die.
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On May 06 2013 10:37 calgar wrote:
I'm also extremely hesitant because I think several other people are scummier than targe.
Do you think I'm scummier then him though? That's really all that matters right now.
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Yeah, you're right. I'm going to switch my vote to no lynch even though it won't change anything. Voting for targe just doesn't sit right.
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On May 06 2013 10:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:37 calgar wrote:
I'm also extremely hesitant because I think several other people are scummier than targe. Do you think I'm scummier then him though? That's really all that matters right now. Well it really depends on the timing for me. Before you started defending yourself I probably would have said you were both lower on my radar but you more than him. Now that you've done some explaining, I'd say him, but the fact that this has turned into a "switch to the guy who has said goodnight" instead of someone like vayne makes me much more reluctant to switch.
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God, vayne is so town dude.
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Targe for sure is still my #1 suspect.
Jampi, not so sure about him anymore because I don't know that him and Targe would both pile on me so close together. But one of them is scum for sure.
Vayne is town. I don't think he's playing a particularly good game but he's not acting scummy @ all. I don't get why people are reading him as scum.
jrkirby and Calgar. One of these guys is scum. There's always a scummy soft defending a townie before he gets lynched. I really hate Calgars scum reads so far but kirby changing to no lynch when there was a chance I could be saved (remember he said he read me as town) was pretty bad. If I had to guess I'd lean toward Calgar being the scummy, especially if I'm right about Targe.
Good Luck town.
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kitaman27
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The deadline has been reached. The night post will be posted shortly.
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kitaman27
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![[image loading]](http://www.richardrosenman.com/gallery/photo/projectThumbs/442b5e790c266.jpg) Night One
As the sun set upon Breakfaston, its citizens became especially hungry. Their arguments gave way to their hunger pangs. Shouts left and right over which box of cereal would be the tastiest; unfortunately,during the day the sneaky bastard child of Breakfaston upon Ce'Real, kitaman27 the Old Bitter Coffee had duct taped over all of the boxes so no one could see what their contents were. One citizen grabbed a box cutter, another a butter knife. Geript clanked the Rusty Iron Spoon of Vengeance against his bowl demanding to be fed. After much finger pointing and bickering, the town decided to feed him JarJarDrinks.
JarJarDrinks the Honeycomb (vanilla townie) has been lynched.
Thanks again to geript for the flavor. Day 1 is over; night 1 has begun. Night 1 ends in 24 hours at 02:00 GMT (+00:00). Please send your night actions myself, geript. and phagga.
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kitaman27
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If a replacement for FloWcaster is not found during night one, he will be modkilled at the beginning of day two.
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Well, I'd just like to say I could tell that jarjar was town this time the same way I knew jampidampi was town last game. Because the first person to really start getting BW on the first day is always town, there's no other way the mafia would let it happen. JarJar might eb right in that either me or calgar is scum, but I'm not sure I would put my money on it. But I'm fairly certain at least one of the people who voted for jarjar is scum, and I still think it's nobodywonder.
It's important to know that although quotes are important, votes and flips are the real alignment indicators in the end.
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Vayne, you were talking about how a no lynch would be good, but you never did vote for one. Why?
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On May 06 2013 11:56 jrkirby wrote:
Vayne, you were talking about how a no lynch would be good, but you never did vote for one. Why?
Because I got such a poor reaction from it. Simple as that. I would have gladly no lynched today if it was agreed upon.
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jrkirby, can provide more reasons for nobodywonder being scum? Your analysis on him being scum hinges on shirokami and Espi.Casey being scum. Don't associate before the flip.
gtg, please let there be meaninful posts when I come back.
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ffs I wish I had seen that discussion and hadn't gone to bed, I only wanted to put pressure on jarjar but he posted after I went to sleep.
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God vayne.. A POOR REACTION?! REALLY?!
You can't even stand behind your opinions.
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Fuck. Bad lynch...well time to analyze the votes...
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On May 06 2013 13:30 jampidampi wrote:
jrkirby, can provide more reasons for nobodywonder being scum? Your analysis on him being scum hinges on shirokami and Espi.Casey being scum. Don't associate before the flip.
gtg, please let there be meaninful posts when I come back.
I dont like them either.
jrkirby why am I your top scumread?
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Allright, so I went through the thread again and I'm gonna give my impressions of people I think are scum and others.
So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies.
Kirby does very little in the beginning, suspiciously so if you ask me. This doesn't say much, however, since most posts at the very beginning are short and without a lot of content. But he doesn't try and start any discussions and gives short answers. He does make a good post a bit later on were he points his suspicions on nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami.
Lucky for them, they so far have no votes on the entire team. Scum will attempt to distance themselves from each other, but will hate to risk one of them dying on the first day.
Now I found this bit interesting, because I do believe that mafia could play like that, distancing themselves that is, but also if kirby does believe that wouldn't he play mafia that way? As it happens he and Calgar pretty much avoided each other completely in the beginning, not so weird for kirby since he barely did anything but it is weird for Calgar.
Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange.
They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions.
On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason.
Vayne is definitely acting suspiciously, but he is quite active and not afraid answering questions (except for the "I'm not gonna tell yet" incident.) At this point I'd say he's more SK than town, and more town than mafia. But nothing conclusive.
JampiDampi is town, according to me. Probably the person who has done most to get discussions going, and asking for more research material (vaynes previous games). I feel fairly confident in my read of Jampi being town.
Nobodywonder doesn't seem quite town to me, but I feel kirby and Calgar are much stronger suspects. And nobody does ask some questions and try for some discussion. If it would turn out that kirby/calgar can't be mafia nobody would probably be next on my list. As it stands kirbys suspicion (as I believe he is mafia) would make me think nobody is town for now.
Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon.
As it is I really don't know who kirby an calgar's third man would be, anyone got any ideas? Think I'm totally off? Let's make the most of the wrong lynch right now so we are well prepared for day 2.
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Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed.
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kitaman27
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AllHailHydraGod has replaced FloWcaster. Everybody say hi!
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Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip.
On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed.
Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two?
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Hey!
I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline.
And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this:
On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline.
What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open.
His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6[/url] does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look:
On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction.
I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons.
But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away:
On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions.
So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself.
On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one.
I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town.
Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy.
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@Sugarfluff what do you think about calgar and nobodywonder's interaction with each other?
Are you seriously implying that you know how an SK would play, and that Vayne is doing it? What's your experience with forum mafia?
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[b]EBWOP: [b/] nvm your first post says you have no experience. So how did you come up with this Vayne playing like SK theory?
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AllHailHydraGod, mind explaining your town read on Targe?
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Good post AllHailHydra, i think SpicyDinasour have some answearing to be done.
I have some question`s for you @jrkirby
On May 04 2013 13:10 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:38 nobodywonder wrote:
@jrkirby good pickup, yes, but not really..its the nobody principle, i am a powerful wizard who will always roll vanilla.
well i'll show you again that i am town with fearless lynching and analysis, i am not afraid. delicious cereal shall be safeguarded today! rejoice.
@jrkirby what do you think about the lynch all lurkers policy? What I'd prefer is not to have lurkers. But I think we should lynch whoever we think is scum, and lurking contributes towards scumread in my book.
You are claiming town and saying we should lynch whoever we think are scum. And you will prove your townrole with fearless lynching and analysis. So my question is : Where are the fearing lynches and analysis ??
You figured out Nobodywonder, Shirokami and me to be the scumteam. Maybe one of them are, i haven done enough reading on them yet, i will come back to that. But we sure arent a scumteam. You proceed with voting Nobodywonder , then you change your vote to Targe , and in the very last chaning your vote to No lynch .
You had 3 suspects, changed your vote to non of thoose 3 and ending up with no lynch. What happend to we fearing lynches and : Lynch whoever we think are scum ??
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@AllhailHydraGod, your analysis is completely off base.
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open.
I found nobodywonder's quite bland, though it was early in the day. Nobody basically said he just didnt like Vayne's play style. As for shirokami, he finally started posting and it was about vayne. He didnt like vayne's play style either because vayne refused to reveal his full analysis. Instead of addressing both of these statements separately i commented on the subject of both... ie Vayne's lack of transparency.
On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
His unwillingness to complete reveal is troubling but he has given some analysis. If this trend continues into day 2 then i would be more inclined to vote him.
It frankly didnt seem necessary to address both nobodywonder's and shirokami's posts separately as it would simply be repeating myself.
Next you focused heavily on my voting for flowcaster and then my subsequent vote change.
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction.
From the beginning I was open to the lynch all lurkers policy as a way to get those involved. As the day went on, I didnt find any one person overly suspicious nor had i focused on one person. I voted flowcaster because of his absolute lack of posting. Giving 0 information is not helpful at all for town. I then came back to the game, hours later things had changed. There was a mod message stating that flowcaster would either be mod killed or replaced with you. Furthermore, nobody, calgar, and targe insisted my vote change.
At this point I went through posts of many of the players and come down to Targe for the reasons stated. He had only 2 votes on him when I voted him, so that can hardly be considered band wagoning.
On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one.
Your analysis here goes completely off the rails. I state that I am online and will talk about my position to anyone who wishes. Lets also not forget that it wasnt my vote that lynched a townie. You had a single though that Flowcaster and I were scumbuddies and you let that define your whole analysis. It is clear at the end that realized how wrong you were but you couldnt let that go. Then your very last thing you say is that people should go along with you, even when you claim im scum for bandwagoning.
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions.
Here again you make assumptions that dont match the facts. I had question a few and yet I voted for another and gave my reasons for it.
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On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two?
I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own.
AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up.
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On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up.
Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum?
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@hydra - Welcome to the game & nice to see you posting some analysis. I'm curious to know your thoughts on sugarfluff and vayne as well?
@jampi - I see you asking a lot of questions of other people but I'm not as clear on your reads. You've said there are a lot of scummy people running around so who's bugging you the most?
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I feel like you're doing a decent job replying to my accusations, I wonder though how you would've reacted if I hadn't made the mistake of calling Vayne one of the two people you interacted with. You just mentioned him while talking with nobodywonders. My points still stand though.
I'm not nearly convinced of your innocence. If you are a townie in his first game it wouldn't make sense for your sole ambition to be to pressure the non-poster when you could at that point be fostering discussion, getting reactions out of the pool of active people by voting them etc. until late in the game when you simply justify your vote, and why you don't vote shirokami (you only say he started posting but won't go into detail about it) again not indicating any intent to scumhunt. We don't know much about your stance on JarJar either, you just say he managed to bring some discussion .. well if that's something to be desired then I'm not sure why you can't seem to do it.
@jampidampi
Just a guess. I think he's putting himself out there with comments about the mafia team's competence and stuff. I can see him being a townie who got bored and just let loose some stream of conscience gibberish because there's nothing going on in the thread. What's your take on him and Sugarfluff?
And I saw you going after Spicy and yet you voted for JarJar? Looking at the post where you provide your reads I would've assumed that you are the least convinced of his scummiest out of all your suspects, because tunneling someone isn't really scummy, I'm most likely going to be tunneling Spicy If he can't provide more compelling explanations for his play. And from what I've seen he's been looking at other people besides you, most notably Vayne.
So basically what do you have to say about this meta argument of yours now after the flip?
On May 06 2013 03:52 jampidampi wrote:
JarJarDrinks has only tunneled me. Reading a past town game from him, he's perfectly capable of thinking multiple people at the same time, yet here he doesn't do that. JarJar is clinging on to a single thing I said, and doesn't even consider other things I say, not to mention everything everyone else says.
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@sugarfluff - Is there a reason you've ignored my previous questions addressed to you? This makes me feel like you aren't reading what I'm saying.
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On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Hey! I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline. And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this: Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look: Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons. But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away: Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself. Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town. Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy. [/url]
I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey.
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@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird.
On May 07 2013 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Hey! I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline. And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this: On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons. But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town. Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy. I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey. [/url]
if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further.
what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino?
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On May 07 2013 01:16 Spicydinosaur wrote:@AllhailHydraGod, your analysis is completely off base. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. I found nobodywonder's quite bland, though it was early in the day. Nobody basically said he just didnt like Vayne's play style. As for shirokami, he finally started posting and it was about vayne. He didnt like vayne's play style either because vayne refused to reveal his full analysis. Instead of addressing both of these statements separately i commented on the subject of both... ie Vayne's lack of transparency. Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
His unwillingness to complete reveal is troubling but he has given some analysis. If this trend continues into day 2 then i would be more inclined to vote him. It frankly didnt seem necessary to address both nobodywonder's and shirokami's posts separately as it would simply be repeating myself. Next you focused heavily on my voting for flowcaster and then my subsequent vote change. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. From the beginning I was open to the lynch all lurkers policy as a way to get those involved. As the day went on, I didnt find any one person overly suspicious nor had i focused on one person. I voted flowcaster because of his absolute lack of posting. Giving 0 information is not helpful at all for town. I then came back to the game, hours later things had changed. There was a mod message stating that flowcaster would either be mod killed or replaced with you. Furthermore, nobody, calgar, and targe insisted my vote change. At this point I went through posts of many of the players and come down to Targe for the reasons stated. He had only 2 votes on him when I voted him, so that can hardly be considered band wagoning. Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. Your analysis here goes completely off the rails. I state that I am online and will talk about my position to anyone who wishes. Lets also not forget that it wasnt my vote that lynched a townie. You had a single though that Flowcaster and I were scumbuddies and you let that define your whole analysis. It is clear at the end that realized how wrong you were but you couldnt let that go. Then your very last thing you say is that people should go along with you, even when you claim im scum for bandwagoning. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. Here again you make assumptions that dont match the facts. I had question a few and yet I voted for another and gave my reasons for it.
what are your reads on me, shirokami and vayne then? you seemed to have poked and prodded us, but what have been the results of your findings?
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On May 07 2013 03:34 nobodywonder wrote:@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Hey! I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline. And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this: On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons. But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town. Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy. I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey. if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further. what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino? [/url]
its worthless until any killing occur so if I die then so be it. I agree with his analysis on spicydinosaur for a couple of reasons.
1. he starts off the game by saying he was looking up ways, such as lurking, that would be considered anti-town. If that isnt suspicious I don't know what is. Onto more concrete evidence...
2. mafia tend to ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of answers. asking why people are voting for others and what they think about others gives the illusion of productivity but in reality adds nothing.
3. Tons of bandwagoning and general agreeance with others. As soon as anybody pipes up about having suspicions about somebody else, he is right there to agree. I am also adding the flowcaster early vote to this.
4. Voting for targe late even though it has no impact on the vote. Shifts him away from the JarJar lynch and also separates scum into different places so as to cause confusion.
If targe or spicy flips mafia, I would strongly consider the other being mafia as well.
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Analysis time,
jrkirby:
Your posts are kind of meh, you have your 'Casey, shirokami, nobody' post which is ok, but I can't see how you put shirokami as scum, he's certainly not got the best filter but he isn't giving of major mafia vibes. The entire idea of this post seems to be that you think they are distancing themselves from each other yet you seem to ignore the possibility that they are actually three separate players, not a team.
All your other posts are very short, generally 1 or 2 liners, not good. You're coming off as one of the more scummy ones here.
nobodywonder:
Your filter is better, you post actively and aren't afraid to question people and put forward arguments, although you did get a little erratic at times.
Not much more to say, I have a null read on you at the moment.
VayneAuthority:
Well, you're getting a lot of heat for doing shit like not explaining reasons and going for a no lynch, which was just a bad idea. Your post history isn't the best but I think you're just some strange town that does things his own way, I I'll hold out until day 2 when you may give us some information.
Seriously, you need to speak up.
shiromaki:
man, you lurked way to much d1, when you came in you started some talking which is good but it still wasn't really close to what I was expecting to hear, still holding judgement but at the moment you just look like some scummy town.
Sugarfluff:
Your filter is really not very good, you really don't have many posts at all, the majority of them were concerning Vayne, which is a common topic and a relatively easy way of getting out of lurking without posting too much original content. Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
SpicyDinosaur:
You posted some bland stuff at the beginning about lurkers, like quite a few of us, then you focus on me because I vote Jarjar when trying to get him to post and that is about the basis of your argument. More stuff on vayne, blah blah, then we get to your replies to Hydra's post, Hydra to me had one of the best analysis posts yet and you slam it, saying it's off the rails completely, he put some excellent points into his analysis of you and I agree with him, you come off as scummy under analysis.
I'll do some more of you guys when I get the chance, I only have a short time in which I can write lengthier posts like this as I'm relatively busy.
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On May 07 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:34 nobodywonder wrote:@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird. On May 07 2013 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Hey! I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline. And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this: On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons. But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town. Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy. I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey. if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further. what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino? its worthless until any killing occur so if I die then so be it. I agree with his analysis on spicydinosaur for a couple of reasons. 1. he starts off the game by saying he was looking up ways, such as lurking, that would be considered anti-town. If that isnt suspicious I don't know what is. Onto more concrete evidence... 2. mafia tend to ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of answers. asking why people are voting for others and what they think about others gives the illusion of productivity but in reality adds nothing. 3. Tons of bandwagoning and general agreeance with others. As soon as anybody pipes up about having suspicions about somebody else, he is right there to agree. I am also adding the flowcaster early vote to this. 4. Voting for targe late even though it has no impact on the vote. Shifts him away from the JarJar lynch and also separates scum into different places so as to cause confusion. If targe or spicy flips mafia, I would strongly consider the other being mafia as well. [/url]
Finally you spill!
I'd say that point 3 is a matter of my personality, not gameplay, I like to agree with people generally when it comes to a group, but you can read it how you want.
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On May 07 2013 03:57 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 03:34 nobodywonder wrote:@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird. On May 07 2013 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Hey! I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline. And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this: On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons. But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town. Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy. I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey. if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further. what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino? its worthless until any killing occur so if I die then so be it. I agree with his analysis on spicydinosaur for a couple of reasons. 1. he starts off the game by saying he was looking up ways, such as lurking, that would be considered anti-town. If that isnt suspicious I don't know what is. Onto more concrete evidence... 2. mafia tend to ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of answers. asking why people are voting for others and what they think about others gives the illusion of productivity but in reality adds nothing. 3. Tons of bandwagoning and general agreeance with others. As soon as anybody pipes up about having suspicions about somebody else, he is right there to agree. I am also adding the flowcaster early vote to this. 4. Voting for targe late even though it has no impact on the vote. Shifts him away from the JarJar lynch and also separates scum into different places so as to cause confusion. If targe or spicy flips mafia, I would strongly consider the other being mafia as well. Finally you spill! I'd say that point 3 is a matter of my personality, not gameplay, I like to agree with people generally when it comes to a group, but you can read it how you want. [/url]
that isnt analysis of you, its of spicy. As I stated I cant analyze you until the night killings occur.
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@AllHailHydraGod
my initial disdain for shirokami was because of his lack of posting, then he posted this:
On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote:
Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum.
Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention.
Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian.
@Calgar
Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun.
@everyone
Feel free to ask anything.
Here he gives his opinion on vayne and why. He also was focusing on people voting for jarjar. I really didnt get a read on him one way or the other on him with this post or with his subsequent votes so I then focused on others.
As for jarjar, I initially like his posting as he called jampidampi out on the lynching lurker policy. The two of them had a good back and forth with jarjar defending his stance. After that exchange a lot of people began to pile on jarjar.
I still feel targe is scummy as I reread his posts. The majority of them he acts very sheepishly.
On May 04 2013 15:25 Targe wrote:
Lynching lurkers sounds like a good plan, what are we thinking for activity then? Obviously everyone has to post at least once a day but people could post more whilst dodging questions or important issues.
On May 04 2013 18:30 Targe wrote:
I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1.
He also seems to be waiting for others to give their opinion as he has stated on multiple occasions.
On May 05 2013 08:40 Targe wrote:
I'm still waiting for what shirokami and flowcaster have to say, shirokami sounds like he's made some interesting analysis with all his reading.
Also, I don't think jampi is acting like scum, he's talking sense with how scum can abuse the lynch policy.
On May 05 2013 20:21 Targe wrote:
I'm interested in what Jarjar is going to do, I think the conclusion has been reached that we won't policy lynch? Correct me if I'm wrong. You're right about his posts only concerning policy lynches though, he hasn't put forward any arguments on people and seems to be commenting on general topics only, activity like that is indicative of scum or SK.
This one paragraph here is all that targe gives on why he is voting jarjar. His reasoning can be directly applied to himself. His analysis of others is minimal and without much meat as seen below:
On May 05 2013 08:40 Targe wrote:
Also, I don't think jampi is acting like scum, he's talking sense with how scum can abuse the lynch policy.
On May 05 2013 20:21 Targe wrote:
Vayne's free to vote for me as no one isn't suspect on D1, he obviously has some logic behind his post but he hasn't shared it just yet.
Then after all is said and done, Targe writes this:
On May 06 2013 07:05 Targe wrote:
Looks like jarjar's eating this lynch, I was hoping the voting would put some pressure on him to explain himself but he hasn't responded, annoying, if he turns out to be town that is a wasted day and a lynch, we'll be giving scum breathing room for another day.
This sounds like he knows jarjar is town and is almost expressing sorrow before the vote is in to look like he made a mistake in the vote and that he is remorseful. The bolded part simply overstates the obvious and serves nothing but fluff.
On May 06 2013 15:25 Targe wrote:
ffs I wish I had seen that discussion and hadn't gone to bed, I only wanted to put pressure on jarjar but he posted after I went to sleep.
Here again he expresses remorse. He could have changed his vote when he saw the piling on of jarjar, yet he chose to keep it on him. These last two paragraphs just sound incredibly scummy to me combined with the lack of any real opinions of the other players.
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On May 07 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:57 Targe wrote:On May 07 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 03:34 nobodywonder wrote:@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird. On May 07 2013 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Hey! I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline. And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this: On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons. But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town. Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy. I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey. if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further. what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino? its worthless until any killing occur so if I die then so be it. I agree with his analysis on spicydinosaur for a couple of reasons. 1. he starts off the game by saying he was looking up ways, such as lurking, that would be considered anti-town. If that isnt suspicious I don't know what is. Onto more concrete evidence... 2. mafia tend to ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of answers. asking why people are voting for others and what they think about others gives the illusion of productivity but in reality adds nothing. 3. Tons of bandwagoning and general agreeance with others. As soon as anybody pipes up about having suspicions about somebody else, he is right there to agree. I am also adding the flowcaster early vote to this. 4. Voting for targe late even though it has no impact on the vote. Shifts him away from the JarJar lynch and also separates scum into different places so as to cause confusion. If targe or spicy flips mafia, I would strongly consider the other being mafia as well. Finally you spill! I'd say that point 3 is a matter of my personality, not gameplay, I like to agree with people generally when it comes to a group, but you can read it how you want. that isnt analysis of you, its of spicy. As I stated I cant analyze you until the night killings occur. [/url]
lol okay, point still stands though.
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On May 07 2013 04:00 Spicydinosaur wrote:@AllHailHydraGod my initial disdain for shirokami was because of his lack of posting, then he posted this: Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote:
Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum.
Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention.
Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian.
@Calgar
Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun.
@everyone
Feel free to ask anything. Here he gives his opinion on vayne and why. He also was focusing on people voting for jarjar. I really didnt get a read on him one way or the other on him with this post or with his subsequent votes so I then focused on others. As for jarjar, I initially like his posting as he called jampidampi out on the lynching lurker policy. The two of them had a good back and forth with jarjar defending his stance. After that exchange a lot of people began to pile on jarjar. I still feel targe is scummy as I reread his posts. The majority of them he acts very sheepishly. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 15:25 Targe wrote:
Lynching lurkers sounds like a good plan, what are we thinking for activity then? Obviously everyone has to post at least once a day but people could post more whilst dodging questions or important issues. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 18:30 Targe wrote:
I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1. He also seems to be waiting for others to give their opinion as he has stated on multiple occasions. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:40 Targe wrote:
I'm still waiting for what shirokami and flowcaster have to say, shirokami sounds like he's made some interesting analysis with all his reading.
Also, I don't think jampi is acting like scum, he's talking sense with how scum can abuse the lynch policy. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 20:21 Targe wrote:
I'm interested in what Jarjar is going to do, I think the conclusion has been reached that we won't policy lynch? Correct me if I'm wrong. You're right about his posts only concerning policy lynches though, he hasn't put forward any arguments on people and seems to be commenting on general topics only, activity like that is indicative of scum or SK. This one paragraph here is all that targe gives on why he is voting jarjar. His reasoning can be directly applied to himself. His analysis of others is minimal and without much meat as seen below: Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:40 Targe wrote:
Also, I don't think jampi is acting like scum, he's talking sense with how scum can abuse the lynch policy. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 20:21 Targe wrote:
Vayne's free to vote for me as no one isn't suspect on D1, he obviously has some logic behind his post but he hasn't shared it just yet. Then after all is said and done, Targe writes this: Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:05 Targe wrote:
Looks like jarjar's eating this lynch, I was hoping the voting would put some pressure on him to explain himself but he hasn't responded, annoying, if he turns out to be town that is a wasted day and a lynch, we'll be giving scum breathing room for another day. This sounds like he knows jarjar is town and is almost expressing sorrow before the vote is in to look like he made a mistake in the vote and that he is remorseful. The bolded part simply overstates the obvious and serves nothing but fluff. Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 15:25 Targe wrote:
ffs I wish I had seen that discussion and hadn't gone to bed, I only wanted to put pressure on jarjar but he posted after I went to sleep. Here again he expresses remorse. He could have changed his vote when he saw the piling on of jarjar, yet he chose to keep it on him. These last two paragraphs just sound incredibly scummy to me combined with the lack of any real opinions of the other players.
I didn't think Jarjar was incredibly scummy no, but he was definitely not a clear townie, the aim of my vote was to put pressure on him and when I went to bed there were only 2 votes on him, one of them being me, had I been up I would have of course changed my vote because I would have both seen his post and seen that he was being BW'ed.
I've got to do some work now, be back in an hour or so.
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Important: If we do have a cop in this game, please inspect targe or spicy. At the least, one of them is mafia or my 3 years of not playing is showing.
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It should be quickly noted that I posted the above before I saw Targe's analysis of others. When I went to type up the post, his hadn't been submitted yet. Though in my book it changes very little as his reaction to the jarjar lynching (before and after) says more than his somewhat bland analysis of the others.
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On May 07 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:34 nobodywonder wrote:@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird. On May 07 2013 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Hey! I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline. And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this: On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons. But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town. Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy. I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey. if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further. what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino? its worthless until any killing occur so if I die then so be it. I agree with his analysis on spicydinosaur for a couple of reasons. 1. he starts off the game by saying he was looking up ways, such as lurking, that would be considered anti-town. If that isnt suspicious I don't know what is. Onto more concrete evidence... 2. mafia tend to ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of answers. asking why people are voting for others and what they think about others gives the illusion of productivity but in reality adds nothing. 3. Tons of bandwagoning and general agreeance with others. As soon as anybody pipes up about having suspicions about somebody else, he is right there to agree. I am also adding the flowcaster early vote to this. 4. Voting for targe late even though it has no impact on the vote. Shifts him away from the JarJar lynch and also separates scum into different places so as to cause confusion. If targe or spicy flips mafia, I would strongly consider the other being mafia as well. [/url]
1. Not much to really say against this point except that I'm new. If thats the feeling you're getting theres not much i can do to dispell it. Early in D1 I was behind the votes on lurker/ possibly lynch them because I felt those who gave no information would be no help at all.
2. jampidampi asked more 1 liner questions than anyone in this thread. I asked a few questions and have answered all that were asked of me.
3. Tons of bandwagoning? I've only been suspicious of 2 people in this game so far. shirokami and targe. shirokami was because of his delayed postings which dissipated when he actually started to post. My suspicions on targe are documented in my last few posts. Also I voted for the lurker because he gave 0 information. Only hours later when he was going to be mod killed/ replaced did I change it. I also stated I was going to be away for a while and be back before the deadline, thus the seemingly late change. You may claim that's bull but its the truth.
4. This point makes the least amount of sense. I voted for targe because I believed him to be the scummiest. Voting for anyone or not voting would have had 0 impact on the vote. If i voted for jarjar you would accuse me of bandwagoning, if i voted for someone else you would say the same as you do above. Given that multiple people wanted me to switch votes off of the lurker, i chose who i thought was scum.
As for targe/me being mafia... I welcome a cop to check me out.
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@Calgar
The one who's bugging me the most is eSpi.Casey. His first few post are just going with the thread flow,
agree with stuff and jumping on Vayne when the thread was against him. He states that Vayne is his #2 scumread after giving a light scumread on shirokami just because shiro wasn't posting very much at the start. Casey easily backs off his scumread on shiro when shiro starts to post, but he doesn't vote Vayne, he votes FloWcaster. His posts show that he want to vote for a "safe" target, not a player he has a scumread on. Highlighted in the underlined.
On May 06 2013 05:36 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Im trying to figure out who i should be voting for, but i find it pretty hard, i still think vayne seem`s scummy, Flowcaster seems to be replaced. I think its to little content to find a good scumread and vote for. Im tempted to vote for Vayne, but if he flip`s town we will have a total caos on day2, i put my vote on Flowcaster for now, i will be reading here before the day ends, and might change my vote from what i read and how the game evolves On May 06 2013 05:50 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Its not my final vote, as i said im tempted to vote Vayne , but i want to see how this develops the last hours, while i try read some filters and hopefully be able to place a vote a little more secure then i feel now, would be really bad if Vayne, or someone else turns town, its pretty much chaos now, and D2 would be really bad if we lynch a townnie Casey seems to sail between a JarJar lynch and a Vayne lynch. I also don't like how he belittled himself in the underlined. Town wants people to listen to them so there's no reason to give others reasons to ignore you. But if you are scum, everyone ignoring your posts makes it easier for you to blend in. On May 06 2013 07:37 eSpi.Casey wrote:
##Unvote : Flowcaster
##Vote : JarJarDrinks
Jarjar and Vayne seems as the most scumming once for me, with jarjar as the scummiest, jarjar have barly contributed, Vayne says he will contribute, but not before D2, atleast he seems more active then jarjar, im looking forward to see what you come up with on D2 Veyne, if your still here. Tomorrow i have free from work and will spend much time analytic post/filters and try to contribute more then i have done soo far. I think maybe i should have obs`ed a game before i started playing, this was a bit harder then i expected, but il try to keep up. He sees that a JarJar lynch is coming, and secures the misslynch by voting on him. All he has for night one is a post, where he accuses jrkirby, who was gathering some pressure in the thread, and agrees with HydraGod. If it wasn't already clear, I think eSpi.Casey is scum.
@HydraGod
On May 06 2013 03:52 jampidampi wrote:
JarJarDrinks has only tunneled me. Reading a past town game from him, he's perfectly capable of thinking multiple people at the same time, yet here he doesn't do that. JarJar is clinging on to a single thing I said, and doesn't even consider other things I say, not to mention everything everyone else says. The bolded part was what made me think he is scum. This was his last post at the time. Most of JarJars better posts came after that point, while I was asleep. Townies can tunnel, but they shouldn't ignore everything else that is happening.
As for my take on Sugarfluff, he was a bit wishywashy at the start, but seems to have some decent analysis.I have a pending question for him and his answear might make his alingment a little bit more clear. For now, he is null.
Targe on the other hand, is suspicious. He has some good points, but he doesn't draw conclusions. A prime example is his analysis on Vayne, shirokami and Sugarfluff in his list post.
On May 06 2013 07:05 Targe wrote:
Looks like jarjar's eating this lynch, I was hoping the voting would put some pressure on him to explain himself but he hasn't responded, annoying, if he turns out to be town that is a wasted day and a lynch, we'll be giving scum breathing room for another day.
Casey and Spicy, you really need to change your votes, flowcaster is pointless as he is about to be modkilled. Calgar, don't switch to flowcaster, that's a terrible idea because of his modkilling. Look at this post. It seems as though he knew JarJar would be lynched and flip town. He leaves a pressure vote as his final vote of the day, later claims that he would have removed it and that there were only two votes on JarJar when he leaved (there where actually four), while wanting Casey and Spicy to change their votes. How do their votes matter if he thinks JarJar will be lynched?On May 06 2013 15:25 Targe wrote:
ffs I wish I had seen that discussion and hadn't gone to bed, I only wanted to put pressure on jarjar but he posted after I went to sleep. The bolded seems off. Isn't getting people to post and thus slip up if they are scum the purpose of pressure? Targe also jumps defensive the instant he believes he is accused. I'd say he is scum.
@Vayne
I swear I will lynch you if don't deliver with the analysis on day two. Even if this is your normal playstyle, not giving reasoning to the things you say is so god damn antitown it hurts.
Making this post took longer than anticipated, so good night, hopefully I'm alive when day two rolls around.
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@jampidampi
I still don't see why you preferred to vote JarJar. Come to think of it it looks like OMGUS. I no longer have a townread on you.
Spicydinosaur's defense is unexpectedly good, not sure about him anymore. Unless he talked to his coach about how to react to a case against him, and he told him to keep calm and simply cooperate I'd say his recent reactions are genuinely town.
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I put my vote on Flowcaster because i felt i diddent have good enough scumreads atm, i was waiting for some more post to come near the deadline, i went with the flow and voted Jarjar as there was ok post vs him at the time, not saying they were to good(obvious) but from what i could tell. You voted jarjar yourself.
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@hydra, what do you think jampi's analysis itself though?
I like jampi's analysis so far, I really don't like Casey's play, but I'm especially concerned because I am not feeling his play is bad townie, but rather more like scum. I really was bothered by how he basically sidestepped me when I literally screamed at him to change his vote from flowcaster to someone else. And I don't like how it ended up with jarjar...
Spoilered interaction between me and Casey for my own reading pleasure and you guys if you want.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:36 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Im trying to figure out who i should be voting for, but i find it pretty hard, i still think vayne seem`s scummy, Flowcaster seems to be replaced. I think its to little content to find a good scumread and vote for. Im tempted to vote for Vayne, but if he flip`s town we will have a total caos on day2, i put my vote on Flowcaster for now, i will be reading here before the day ends, and might change my vote from what i read and how the game evolves On May 06 2013 05:37 nobodywonder wrote:
NOOOO, casey! don't vote Flowcaster, it's the easy way out. This is really scummy.
CHANGE IT NOW... WORK HARDER On May 06 2013 05:42 nobodywonder wrote:
casey, I assume you are here. If you try to avoid me now, you are my prime scumread. Unvote now and vote for someone else.
or at least talk to me casey. On May 06 2013 05:50 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Its not my final vote, as i said im tempted to vote Vayne , but i want to see how this develops the last hours, while i try read some filters and hopefully be able to place a vote a little more secure then i feel now, would be really bad if Vayne, or someone else turns town, its pretty much chaos now, and D2 would be really bad if we lynch a townnie On May 06 2013 05:55 nobodywonder wrote:
ok good, thanks for responding casey. well, why don't you lay down the heat then. poke and prod vayne then, ask him questions and see how they develop and if you like them. don't be passive.
i look forward to reading analysis from you. any analysis is fine. don't worry about how accurate it may be. don't be afraid to be wrong. just get it out and i'll help analyze the ideas and we can discuss.
as for voting
@spicydino change your from flowcaster and vote someone else
@jrkirby vote dammnit
@flowcaster are you alive? On May 06 2013 05:56 nobodywonder wrote:
@casey, what do you think about jarjar because right now he is going to be lynched. what do you think about his behavior and his voters? On May 06 2013 06:59 nobodywonder wrote:
well i gtg, gl town gl gl [B]On May 06 2013 07:37 eSpi.Casey wrote:
##Unvote : Flowcaster
##Vote : JarJarDrinks
Jarjar and Vayne seems as the most scumming once for me, with jarjar as the scummiest, jarjar have barly contributed, Vayne says he will contribute, but not before D2, atleast he seems more active then jarjar, im looking forward to see what you come up with on D2 Veyne, if your still here. Tomorrow i have free from work and will spend much time analytic post/filters and try to contribute more then i have done soo far. I think maybe i should have obs`ed a game before i started playing, this was a bit harder then i expected, but il try to keep up.
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kitaman27
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![[image loading]](http://www.yoursportsadvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/RyanMillerKickSaveKrunch-Front2-208x300.jpg) Day Two
As the second day of elections broke, the denizens of Breakfaston found phagga sitting amongst bits of trash. Strips of cardboard with duct tape attached to them were strewn all over the ground with nary a grain of cereal to be found. His cheeks were puffed out and full. Furious at his breaking the election protocol, the citizens asked him what he was doing. phagga looked right, then left, then right again. He shrugged his shoulders and spit out bits of cereal as he answered in a soft muffled voice, "I ront no.... I as ungy." Looking down they realized that phagga had eaten a whole box by himself. Carefully examining the bits he left unchewed, the citizens realized that jampidampi was no more.
jampidampi the Miller has died.
It is now Day Two. The cycle ends in 48 hours.
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GG, best of luck to town.
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great break for us, if cop sees mafia now you pretty much have to tell us. No way theres more than one miller...any mafia findings must be brought forward.
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wow jampi's dead and no one says anything...
*sigh* i literally have no idea who is town... jampi was my strongest townread. i feel lost more, I hope I can figure stuff tomorrow and I'll try to post analyses.
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I haven't been reading very attentively the other day. I realize I wrote that I had Targe as town but then started giving reasons for Vayne looking town when asked by jampi. For some reason I've mixed up Targe with Vayne.
To answer deceased jampidampi's question to me about why I think Targe is town, I don't aymore. He pretty much did what I called Spicydinosaur out for doing, coasting on the non-poster, jumping on jarjar and then, which is pretty bad going into lurker mode. Then claiming his vote was only for pressure. I don't mind if we lynch Targe today.
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Shirokami why are you focusing on that no-lynch thing and how can you be frustrated about Targe's play in light of JarJar flipping town, and him not being on that wagon?
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EBWOP: About Vayne's play sorry
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On May 07 2013 03:34 nobodywonder wrote:
@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird.
Mafia would prefer not to be on the mislynch wagon but it's not a big enough priority to warrant acting weird about it.
Why are you suspicious of casey and not the others on the wagon?
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On May 07 2013 22:07 shirokami wrote:
So. I was role blocked.
if you're going to claim a PR role when you did not need to, you will need to elaborate. You're as good as dead tonight so...
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I really want to hear more from eSpi.Casey as I'm going through his filter and it seems quite bare. He's only had 2 real reads on vayne and shirokami but that was early in D1.
On May 05 2013 08:12 eSpi.Casey wrote:
@ VayneAuthority : I try to put focus to other players, giving you a break and time to put up a post with some good content, but you keep posting short post with little or non content. Q : Can you explain why you would vote Targe ? I agree he have not posted much yet, but hard to read either town or scum from what he have posted..
@ shirokami You have barly contributed at all, and from what you say so far, you are not willing to post anything. And you want to wait to the very end before we see a good post from you ? I do not like this, and if you dont post some content before this you are for me the biggest scum for now, with Vayne as number 2. I will contiune read filters and update here, and i hope you do aswell
His reasoning for voting jarjar seems extremely light with no real weight behind his opinion. The bolded part being his only reasoning for him. I want eSpi.Casey to actually explain his voting and give more opinions today. Right now he's looking pretty bad.
On May 06 2013 07:37 eSpi.Casey wrote:
##Unvote : Flowcaster
##Vote : JarJarDrinks
Jarjar and Vayne seems as the most scumming once for me, with jarjar as the scummiest, jarjar have barly contributed, Vayne says he will contribute, but not before D2, atleast he seems more active then jarjar, im looking forward to see what you come up with on D2 Veyne, if your still here. Tomorrow i have free from work and will spend much time analytic post/filters and try to contribute more then i have done soo far. I think maybe i should have obs`ed a game before i started playing, this was a bit harder then i expected, but il try to keep up.
@targe, I'd like to hear your response to both my accusations and jampidampi.
@nobody, I have a hard time figuring you out. On one hand you are very active and ask questions to stir discussion. However you seem very guarded when it comes to your opinions of others. I'd like if you gave more meaty opinion on some of the other players. Though overall right now you are not on my radar.
@vayne, I think is town for now. I've already talked about him in one of my previous posts, but I'll give a quick summary. I like how hes active, gives opinions, and asks questions. My only real concern is his withholding information though I think he will not be doing that anymore as it tended to piss a large number of us off.
@shirokami, You are back on my radar. Initially I was upset with shirokami for his delayed postings. Once he started posting, I focused on others. But looking at his filter now, it lacks real content. He seemed to be focusing all his D1 posts against Vayne and only talking generally about the others. I would like to see more fleshed out opinions of others in the coming day. Lastly, this statement is troubling.
On May 07 2013 22:07 shirokami wrote:
So. I was role blocked.
Others have touched up on this but I'd like shirokami to explain why he said that and hope this helps town. I know this is his first game and I hope he's just a newbie townie.
So right now Casey and targe are my to top scums.
I'll post more about others later.
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@Spicy, I'll reply tonight when I have some free time.
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On May 07 2013 22:13 VayneAuthority wrote:if you're going to claim a PR role when you did not need to, you will need to elaborate. You're as good as dead tonight so...
Suppose a vanilla townie gets targeted by roleblocker, does the VT get notified?
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On May 08 2013 00:02 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 22:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 22:07 shirokami wrote:
So. I was role blocked. if you're going to claim a PR role when you did not need to, you will need to elaborate. You're as good as dead tonight so... Suppose a vanilla townie gets targeted by roleblocker, does the VT get notified?
Yes.
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Well that was quick. Vayne stop lurking and only posting when you're PR fishing, it makes me change my mind about you.
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@jrkirby, strikes me as a townie. Early on he gave his scumteam vote.
On May 06 2013 07:39 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, after rading all the filters and all the thread I have made my guess: A scumteam of nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami......
While I didn't particularly agree with some of his points, like when he accused nobody of wanting everyone to BW, he at least explained his rationale and reasoning. My only real issue with him is the last second vote switch at the end from targe to no lynch. Reading from his history it seemed that he never got a good read on targe and lacked confidence in his vote for him. Or possible he saw the votes were getting high on targe and he was worried people would jump off of jarjar and go to targe. I think its more of the former than the later.
I would like to see his updated impressions on players, myself included.
@calgar, it seemed D1 that you mostly tunneled sugarfluff. You did a good job of calling him out on his noncommittal stance and asked a lot of questions that he still hasn't answered. Overall I get a null-town read. I would like to see his thoughts on who he really thinks is scum on D2 and his general views on the others.
On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - I don't like your posting very much so far. I understand the votes on you were a random bandwagon to try and prompt activity and what's come forth hasn't seemed very useful. I don't see you doing any hunting right now.
What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does.
@sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum.
My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below:
On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8.
The only true meaty post that he wrote is this:
On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote:Allright, so I went through the thread again and I'm gonna give my impressions of people I think are scum and others. So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies. Kirby does very little in the beginning, suspiciously so if you ask me. This doesn't say much, however, since most posts at the very beginning are short and without a lot of content. But he doesn't try and start any discussions and gives short answers. He does make a good post a bit later on were he points his suspicions on nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami. Show nested quote +Lucky for them, they so far have no votes on the entire team. Scum will attempt to distance themselves from each other, but will hate to risk one of them dying on the first day. Now I found this bit interesting, because I do believe that mafia could play like that, distancing themselves that is, but also if kirby does believe that wouldn't he play mafia that way? As it happens he and Calgar pretty much avoided each other completely in the beginning, not so weird for kirby since he barely did anything but it is weird for Calgar. Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange. They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions. On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason. Vayne is definitely acting suspiciously, but he is quite active and not afraid answering questions (except for the "I'm not gonna tell yet" incident.) At this point I'd say he's more SK than town, and more town than mafia. But nothing conclusive. JampiDampi is town, according to me. Probably the person who has done most to get discussions going, and asking for more research material (vaynes previous games). I feel fairly confident in my read of Jampi being town. Nobodywonder doesn't seem quite town to me, but I feel kirby and Calgar are much stronger suspects. And nobody does ask some questions and try for some discussion. If it would turn out that kirby/calgar can't be mafia nobody would probably be next on my list. As it stands kirbys suspicion (as I believe he is mafia) would make me think nobody is town for now. Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon. As it is I really don't know who kirby an calgar's third man would be, anyone got any ideas? Think I'm totally off? Let's make the most of the wrong lynch right now so we are well prepared for day 2.
He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts.
I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it.
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On May 08 2013 00:02 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Suppose a vanilla townie gets targeted by roleblocker, does the VT get notified?
Players who are roleblocked will always be notified regardless of their actual role.
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On May 08 2013 00:13 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Well that was quick. Vayne stop lurking and only posting when you're PR fishing, it makes me change my mind about you.
I was unaware of the rule that was just brought to light, I thought only PR roles would be notified of roleblocks. Such a weird ruling leads me to believe shirokuma is town but I suppose we will have to find out. now on to the second part of my analysis of targe...
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Second part Analysis of Targe
So, tonight the mafia killed somebody that pretty much nobody expected of being mafia which was interesting and raises some questions. Which of the 2 of Sugarfluff, targe, nobodywonder, and espi.casey is scum? which of Me, calgar, shirokami, and spicydinosaur is scum? If I had to guess this would be the distribution the mafia went with, 2 on the townie lynch and one in no man's land.
Jampi suspected both Targe and Espi.casey before he died, so we have to wonder if this a red herring or are these 2 really mafia? it's hard to tell. Targe was on the Jarjar lynch since the beginning, while espi jumped to it last second. This could be Targe being a sneaky mafia and carefully leading a wrong lynch, or it simply could be a townie that got a wrong read.
Probably my biggest reason for suspecting Targe right now is that I like to pinpoint a certain player in the beginning and see how they react. Much like in courts, you'll see the psychological reaction of some one that did not commit a crime and is being tried unfairly be angry/upset, while those that have committed the crime tend to be more lax and unemotional.
This has served me well in previous mafia games, where mafia will tend to just kind of semi-ignore your accusations and be pretty friendly about it as Targe has been doing.
Another reason I have for suspecting him is that he is very adamant throughout about jampi being town, and then jampi shows up as dead the first night....this fixation did not go unnoticed and was the reason I needed to see the night killing before posting this.
For the above reasons, I will be voting either Targe or Espi.casey tonight.
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I see there is alot of scumread`s on me. I will be reading trough them now and give a good answear in an hour or so.
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I voted Jarjar cause i diddent have any strong scumread`s. I first putted my vote on Flowcaster cause he had note posted yet, and my scumread`s was not good enough, i diddent know that was a stupid thig to do, but Nobodywonder ``screamed at me to change the vote to someone else, i went with the flow as i said earlier my scumread`s were bad and i voted Jarjar
My only other suspect was Vayne, but i said i was willing to wait to D2 to see some scum/town read`s from him. ( If you did read my filter, you would see that i had problem`s deciding who to vote for, and that i did explain my reason )
As i said earlier, i had a hard time keeping up with the post`s, figuring out how the game work`s, so i spent alot of time reading guied`s F.A.Q. I maybe should have ob`s a game before i started playing, but i feel understand more now and can contribute more then i could in start.
I really dont know how too answear this in any other way, so if something still unclear, please let me know and i try to answear it as good as i can.
With that said, i would like to call out Jrkirby to answear for my previous question`s, and start posting again, its been a while since we have seen anything from him, is it only me who have noticed this ?
Jarjar claim`s to be town and he will prove this with fearless lynching and analysis. Right now he is lurking..
Jarjar vote`s Nobodywonder, then changes his vote to Targe, and in the very last he changes his vote to No lynch.
Im waiting for you`r answears Jrkirby
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@spicydinosaur - Here are some of my thoughts as asked for. I've liked some of your latest posts and I read you as potentially town right now.
@shirokami - I think shiro has flown under the radar for way too long now and a couple people have noticed but I'd like to draw more attention to his play. He stalled for a long time at the beginning of the game and promised a big analysis, and a very small post was what resulted:
On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote:
Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum.
Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention.
Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian.
@Calgar
Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun.
@everyone
Feel free to ask anything. Really, this is all you have to say after you claim loving to go through filters and implying you're going to do a ton of analysis? You've made the most one-liners by far and have only given one read for the entire game, which was on vayne being scummy. I think you're a contender for having contributed the least as far as content goes and I don't like that you've gone back to very short, vague, contentless posts since your 'big analysis'.
Where are your reads? When have scum hunted? It doesn't seem like you're contributing at all to the thread.
@targe - You had good logic D1 in advising against the policy lynch and hydra has been much more active than the last guy. I'm looking forward to seeing your promised response and I'll sheep vayne in saying that it is scummy that you mention jamp being town and regretting the lynch.
@sugarfluff - I guess it's fair to say I've tunneled you but you really haven't given me any reason to stop. Part of the reason I have been is to prompt you to talk more. Instead you've ignored my questions to date and that adds to my feeling of unease about you.
I also really dislike your case for some of the same reasons spicydinosaur does. It seems like you've made a lot of stretches and built it on poor premises. You've factored prominently a connection (or lack therof) between me and kirby, but I fail to see the relevance here. You mention that we haven't really interacted, but naturally I'm not going to be able to interact with everyone substantially or at all in the first few days. I haven't really had much to say to several other players such as spicy and shirokami - why no case built between us then? Even if we were both mafia, we might decide to interact a whole lot.
You've imagined this master plan that we have where we plan when to interact and that just doesn't make any sense to me - you can build a 'case' on anyone based on this strategy.
So yeah, give me a reason to back off and I will. Until then I really don't like your play at all, and I'm surprised more people haven't been on your case for it. Are you ever going to respond to my questions?
@nobody - You've been quite active and shown good logic so far. I'm feeling town on you although I didn't like your "fuck bad lynch" and "i'm lost now" posts as a reaction to the lynch. They seemed overly emotional/a little fake but whatever, maybe that's just me.
@casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads.
I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him.
On May 08 2013 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
Jampi suspected both Targe and Espi.casey before he died, so we have to wonder if this a red herring or are these 2 really mafia? it's hard to tell. Targe was on the Jarjar lynch since the beginning, while espi jumped to it last second. This could be Targe being a sneaky mafia and carefully leading a wrong lynch, or it simply could be a townie that got a wrong read. I feel that there is potential for the night kill victim's reads to be used to help pave the wave for a mislynch. Another reason that I have my doubts about them both being scum is that my potential scum team right now is looking like sugarfluff, shirokami, and one other.
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On May 07 2013 00:30 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
@Sugarfluff what do you think about calgar and nobodywonder's interaction with each other?
Are you seriously implying that you know how an SK would play, and that Vayne is doing it? What's your experience with forum mafia?
I have no experience, but I'd imagine he'd want to be helpful while at the same time making sure no cop looks him over or mafia targets him.
On May 08 2013 00:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:@sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum. My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below: Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8.
My main reason for starting what became the lynching of JarJar was not the fact that he only discussed the the lurker policy, but that he was for it and didn't actually vote for any lurkers to get them to start posting. Seemed suspicious and contradictory to me, it didn't to you?
The only true meaty post that he wrote is this:
He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts.
Yupp I did miss you, but then again I don't find you nearly as suspicious as I would have thought Calgar would have found jrkirby.
I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it.
You are contradicting yourself here, my voting of JarJar was the first one, certainly not a general opinion at that time. Nor is it hypocritical, for reasons stated above.
On May 07 2013 03:12 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - Is there a reason you've ignored my previous questions addressed to you? This makes me feel like you aren't reading what I'm saying.
I assume this is what you are referring to?
You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in
Yup, JarJar was my top read, I stand by the vote I cast at that time. I thought he was suspicious. Shirokami had a reason, yes his reason could be used as a tactic and maybe I am too trusting in this game. But at the time I certainly did not think he was that suspicious, nor do I think voting for him would have brought much.
You've made no other questions, only stated your suspicions. Which I found quite baseless compared to other stuff in this thread.
On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum?
Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content).
On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Sugarfluff:
Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
Them being scumbuddies makes sense, and Calgars passing over kirby relies on that (if either one is town it's just weird behavior from Calgar) but Kirby on his own does not have a great track record. For the start he may as well have been lurking, his big post is not as inclusive as it could be, he brings up a scum team with very little evidence and in the following time he has done nothing to reinforce or change his view. He just makes sure everyone knows that he knew that JarJar was town.
I'm staying in tonight btw, so if you want to ask more questions I will answer them sooner this time. Now for a late dinner.
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On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - I guess it's fair to say I've tunneled you but you really haven't given me any reason to stop. Part of the reason I have been is to prompt you to talk more. Instead you've ignored my questions to date and that adds to my feeling of unease about you.
I also really dislike your case for some of the same reasons spicydinosaur does. It seems like you've made a lot of stretches and built it on poor premises. You've factored prominently a connection (or lack therof) between me and kirby, but I fail to see the relevance here. You mention that we haven't really interacted, but naturally I'm not going to be able to interact with everyone substantially or at all in the first few days. I haven't really had much to say to several other players such as spicy and shirokami - why no case built between us then? Even if we were both mafia, we might decide to interact a whole lot.
You've imagined this master plan that we have where we plan when to interact and that just doesn't make any sense to me - you can build a 'case' on anyone based on this strategy.
So yeah, give me a reason to back off and I will. Until then I really don't like your play at all, and I'm surprised more people haven't been on your case for it. Are you ever going to respond to my questions?
This post sprung up while I was writing mine, so I guess you would find some answers in the post I just made. But to clarify I will reiterate with the hope of being clearer.
I did not answer one of your questions but I answered others so I hardly feel I've ignored your questions to date. There actually is interaction between you and kirby, I find your lack of criticism for this obviously poor poster suspicious. You did give attention to shirokami in the beginning, and he was pretty much the same as kirby except he took the time to tell us/make up a reason for such low content posting (and has since then improved on it)
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On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:30 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
@Sugarfluff what do you think about calgar and nobodywonder's interaction with each other?
Are you seriously implying that you know how an SK would play, and that Vayne is doing it? What's your experience with forum mafia? I have no experience, but I'd imagine he'd want to be helpful while at the same time making sure no cop looks him over or mafia targets him. Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 00:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:@sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum. My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below: On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8. My main reason for starting what became the lynching of JarJar was not the fact that he only discussed the the lurker policy, but that he was for it and didn't actually vote for any lurkers to get them to start posting. Seemed suspicious and contradictory to me, it didn't to you? Show nested quote +
The only true meaty post that he wrote is this:
He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts.
Yupp I did miss you, but then again I don't find you nearly as suspicious as I would have thought Calgar would have found jrkirby. Show nested quote +
I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it.
You are contradicting yourself here, my voting of JarJar was the first one, certainly not a general opinion at that time. Nor is it hypocritical, for reasons stated above. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:12 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - Is there a reason you've ignored my previous questions addressed to you? This makes me feel like you aren't reading what I'm saying. I assume this is what you are referring to? Show nested quote +You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in Yup, JarJar was my top read, I stand by the vote I cast at that time. I thought he was suspicious. Shirokami had a reason, yes his reason could be used as a tactic and maybe I am too trusting in this game. But at the time I certainly did not think he was that suspicious, nor do I think voting for him would have brought much. You've made no other questions, only stated your suspicions. Which I found quite baseless compared to other stuff in this thread. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Sugarfluff:
Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
Them being scumbuddies makes sense, and Calgars passing over kirby relies on that (if either one is town it's just weird behavior from Calgar) but Kirby on his own does not have a great track record. For the start he may as well have been lurking, his big post is not as inclusive as it could be, he brings up a scum team with very little evidence and in the following time he has done nothing to reinforce or change his view. He just makes sure everyone knows that he knew that JarJar was town. I'm staying in tonight btw, so if you want to ask more questions I will answer them sooner this time. Now for a late dinner.
Only 1 death tonight so I think we can rule out an SK.
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@Jampi
Ok, your accusal of me revolves around my vote of Jarjar. I had a poor read on him, in my eyes he was neither clearly scum or town, note the resentment in my voice when it turned out he was town, I wanted him to ideally post before I went to bed (I stayed up as late as I could as I had school the next day) but he didn't get there in time.
Casey and Spicy's votes mattered because if they kept on flowcaster there was definitely no chance of anyone but jarjar eating the lynch, had there been one or two swaps from jarjar then casey and spicy had the power to effectively lynch most people.
You say I instantly jump to the defensive on being accused yet Vayne's analysis of me clearly states that I did not react to any of his accusations. Now I would agree with Vayne's analysis here as I was going by the thinking that acting up over being accused is just going to make you appear more scummy whilst continuing as normal whilst knowing that you weren't scum would be the obvious choice of any townie, although in Vayne's analysis he states that this isn't what townies do, I probably should have read through a game or two to get an idea on that.
@Spicy
You say that my reasoning for voting jarjar can be applied to myself, so what? it doesn't make the reasoning any worse, it just means it can also apply to me.
Again people focus on my remorse for jarjar's lynch, jarjar's fate wasn't sealed when I went to bed, there were about 3 and a half hours left to go until the lynch occurred and if casey and you changed your votes as well as 1 from jarjar then anyone could have been realistically lynched.
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On May 08 2013 05:51 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 07 2013 00:30 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
@Sugarfluff what do you think about calgar and nobodywonder's interaction with each other?
Are you seriously implying that you know how an SK would play, and that Vayne is doing it? What's your experience with forum mafia? I have no experience, but I'd imagine he'd want to be helpful while at the same time making sure no cop looks him over or mafia targets him. On May 08 2013 00:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:@sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum. My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below: On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8. My main reason for starting what became the lynching of JarJar was not the fact that he only discussed the the lurker policy, but that he was for it and didn't actually vote for any lurkers to get them to start posting. Seemed suspicious and contradictory to me, it didn't to you?
The only true meaty post that he wrote is this:
He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts.
Yupp I did miss you, but then again I don't find you nearly as suspicious as I would have thought Calgar would have found jrkirby.
I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it.
You are contradicting yourself here, my voting of JarJar was the first one, certainly not a general opinion at that time. Nor is it hypocritical, for reasons stated above. On May 07 2013 03:12 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - Is there a reason you've ignored my previous questions addressed to you? This makes me feel like you aren't reading what I'm saying. I assume this is what you are referring to? You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in Yup, JarJar was my top read, I stand by the vote I cast at that time. I thought he was suspicious. Shirokami had a reason, yes his reason could be used as a tactic and maybe I am too trusting in this game. But at the time I certainly did not think he was that suspicious, nor do I think voting for him would have brought much. You've made no other questions, only stated your suspicions. Which I found quite baseless compared to other stuff in this thread. On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Sugarfluff:
Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
Them being scumbuddies makes sense, and Calgars passing over kirby relies on that (if either one is town it's just weird behavior from Calgar) but Kirby on his own does not have a great track record. For the start he may as well have been lurking, his big post is not as inclusive as it could be, he brings up a scum team with very little evidence and in the following time he has done nothing to reinforce or change his view. He just makes sure everyone knows that he knew that JarJar was town. I'm staying in tonight btw, so if you want to ask more questions I will answer them sooner this time. Now for a late dinner. Only 1 death tonight so I think we can rule out an SK.
I don't, jampi could have been universally targeted. SK could have been blocked. His target been protected. 1 death does very little to disprove a possible SK.
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@Vayne, jampidampi was clearly not radiating scum vibes, he was actively posting from the beginning, started by putting forward good points on the LAL debate, he pressures you for not releasing information as most people did, he analyses people intently, not being afraid to put his point across, basically yeah, nothing about it said scum to me so why would I not say he's town?
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@Calgar, read the above post to hear about my opinion on jampi.
read the post before that to see what I have to say about the jarjar lynch.
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EBWOP: I'm going to bed now, its 10:40, damn I need to get some more time in the day to actually write things down.
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On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). As far as I'm concerned, shirokami's filter is the one that is frekishly devoid of actual content right now. Why aren't you more concerned about him as a lurker than jrkirby? shiro has given vague excuses and one read all game, way less than kirby has done. If I had briefly mentioned kirby initially instead of shiro, would you be suspicious of us two instead? As far as me "completely skip"ing kirby, you're just as guilty of completely skipping over casey and shiro.
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This has been a very inactive day, i hope to see more post tomorrow when i wake up. Espescially i wanne see some answear`s from you jrkirby. And until i see some answear`s & content from you
##Vote : jrkirby
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Im going to catch up in 12 hours or so. I still want to lynch vayne tho.
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On May 08 2013 10:22 shirokami wrote:
Im going to catch up in 12 hours or so. I still want to lynch vayne tho. Really shiro?! Are you us kidding here? You started the game saying you wouldn't be able to post temporarily but promised you would provide some solid analysis when you got back to your computer. What you produce is null-reads on two? people and one very short scumread on vayne. All I see is a pattern of stall tactics promising future content and no delivery.
On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. Zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game you say, so why exactly are you lurking? For now you've earned my vote for the aforementioned reasons.
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To follow up from my previous post, you still haven't improved.
You've gone from a lot of one liners to hardcore lurking:
Vayne, you were talking about how a no lynch would be good, but you never did vote for one. Why?
This was your last post, you asked a question, yet when Vayne replies you do nothing with the information you gained, shirokami reacted, but not you.
Casey asks you a question about your voting, which you subsequently ignored:
You had 3 suspects, changed your vote to non of thoose 3 and ending up with no lynch. What happend to we fearing lynches and : Lynch whoever we think are scum ??
He's asking you why you changed to no lynch, you still haven't replied.
He asks later on for a reply:
Im waiting for you`r answears Jrkirby
Still no answer.
God damn it jkirby, reply, if you don't you're instantly scum in my eyes.
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VOTE COUNT:
Targe (1) AllHailHydraGod
eSpi.Casey (1) VayneAuthority
jrkirby (1) eSpi.Casey
shirokami (1) calgar
Not Voting: All the other cereals
late night snack is in ~18 hours. Voting is mandatory.
Currently Targe is set to be given tetanus by the Rusty Iron Spoon of Vengeance!!
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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Just wanted to post my thoughts on Calgar after reading his filter. but then I saw this.
On May 04 2013 11:49 nobodywonder wrote:
btw i really applaud the choice of cereals
trix is very evil and gives diarrhea if you eat too fast or too much. good gf choice
wheaties are just stronk and good 3p killer
it may have been funnier with the cereal mascots considering they are so schizophenic, coco puffs bird, tony the tiger, cookie crisp wolf.
/spam so bored, post town, post...........
Could it be a scumslip? Why make that differentiation.. obviously as town you'd want everyone to post especially scum.
Calgar, seems unaffected by me having a townread on some people and him not being among them. I also don't like how he chose to steer discussion towards a lurker lynch policy so early on (first post of the game).
I feel like as a townie you'd want to see how people introduce themselves and what they choose to start talking about because that gives more info than if they agree on policy lynching lurkers or not. I feel like he shut a very important opportunity for reading players by doing that so early and practically inviting scum to post about a rather easy topic, or better yet ask others to post about it to seem implicated, like nobodywonders did Spicy for example.
So upon reading his filter I think a Calgar, nobodywonders, Targe scumteam is possible, meaning that he might be satisfied with my initial attempt at a read of a pool of townie looking players because his two scumbuddies are in that pool. And I've said that it's a superficial read so I figure maybe that's why he doesn't ask me anything about it.
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On May 08 2013 08:37 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). As far as I'm concerned, shirokami's filter is the one that is frekishly devoid of actual content right now. Why aren't you more concerned about him as a lurker than jrkirby? shiro has given vague excuses and one read all game, way less than kirby has done. If I had briefly mentioned kirby initially instead of shiro, would you be suspicious of us two instead? As far as me "completely skip"ing kirby, you're just as guilty of completely skipping over casey and shiro.
Casey hasn't been that bad, although I don't have townread on him either. Shiros filter is indeed a very sad thing, and his continued delays are getting more and more suspicious. But people were already pointing out his lurking and voicing suspicions about it. I wanted to hear kirby speak up, and I wanted to see how you'd react. Quite frankly I thought you reacted poorly, but reading through my posts I realized that I never outright asked you, what do you think of kirby? You still have not given an opinion on him.
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On May 07 2013 17:10 nobodywonder wrote:
wow jampi's dead and no one says anything...
*sigh* i literally have no idea who is town... jampi was my strongest townread. i feel lost more, I hope I can figure stuff tomorrow and I'll try to post analyses.
So nobodywonder, you've been awfully quiet since the jampi lynch, have anything to say now?
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It looks like there is an early BW against jkirby.
Casey is voting him because of his lack of postings and not answering his questions. However what is troubling is targe now throwing his suspicion on jkirby. The last thing targe wrote was this on jkirby.
On May 08 2013 16:31 Targe wrote:@jrkirby To follow up from my previous post, you still haven't improved. You've gone from a lot of one liners to hardcore lurking: Show nested quote +Vayne, you were talking about how a no lynch would be good, but you never did vote for one. Why? This was your last post, you asked a question, yet when Vayne replies you do nothing with the information you gained, shirokami reacted, but not you. Casey asks you a question about your voting, which you subsequently ignored: Show nested quote +
You had 3 suspects, changed your vote to non of thoose 3 and ending up with no lynch. What happend to we fearing lynches and : Lynch whoever we think are scum ??
He's asking you why you changed to no lynch, you still haven't replied.
He asks later on for a reply:Still no answer. God damn it jkirby, reply, if you don't you're instantly scum in my eyes.
This reads as a preamble to a vote and something targe will look back to for his justifications for doing so. What is really troubling is that it seems targe is representing Casey in the paragraph as almost a team. Which is weird since targe and Casey have 0 conversations together. I wouldn't go far as to say they are scum team as my read on Casey wasn't scum. What I do think is happening is that targe is scum and he's trying to pile on a town early now through someone else's problem.
Even after targe's responses, I'm still not convinced of his townness. As such for now, I'm voting Targe.
We really need everyone to talk today, especially @vanye, @nobody, @jkriby, and shirokami.
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I just got home and im checking out the thread, its just sad how little post`s there are. We really need to get more activity, i think scum`s will have an easy game if we dont talk more then this, come on guys !
After dinner i read carefuly trough the post`s and try to come with some more read`s
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On May 08 2013 23:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:It looks like there is an early BW against jkirby. Casey is voting him because of his lack of postings and not answering his questions. However what is troubling is targe now throwing his suspicion on jkirby. The last thing targe wrote was this on jkirby. Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 16:31 Targe wrote:@jrkirby To follow up from my previous post, you still haven't improved. You've gone from a lot of one liners to hardcore lurking: Vayne, you were talking about how a no lynch would be good, but you never did vote for one. Why? This was your last post, you asked a question, yet when Vayne replies you do nothing with the information you gained, shirokami reacted, but not you. Casey asks you a question about your voting, which you subsequently ignored:
You had 3 suspects, changed your vote to non of thoose 3 and ending up with no lynch. What happend to we fearing lynches and : Lynch whoever we think are scum ??
He's asking you why you changed to no lynch, you still haven't replied.
He asks later on for a reply:Im waiting for you`r answears Jrkirby Still no answer. God damn it jkirby, reply, if you don't you're instantly scum in my eyes. This reads as a preamble to a vote and something targe will look back to for his justifications for doing so. What is really troubling is that it seems targe is representing Casey in the paragraph as almost a team. Which is weird since targe and Casey have 0 conversations together. I wouldn't go far as to say they are scum team as my read on Casey wasn't scum. What I do think is happening is that targe is scum and he's trying to pile on a town early now through someone else's problem. Even after targe's responses, I'm still not convinced of his townness. As such for now, I'm voting Targe. We really need everyone to talk today, especially @vanye, @nobody, @jkriby, and shirokami.
I'm simply trying to get things moving, no one is speaking today, and that's really not good, especially with voting in several hours.
Casey has started posting more since d2 began and he was the only one asking jkirby for answers so I pointed to him.
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I refuse to belive that everyone is afk here..Its almost been two days now with very little activity. What about giving some thought`s about my post`s on Jkirby ? I would like to here others opinion, agree/disagree ?
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So, vayne hid his analysis for NO REASON
vayne wanted a no-lynch
vayne thought it was good that our one most active town was killed only because he is a miller
vayne is playing scummy
and you are saying he is scummy town or some shit?
really guys.. ?
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A bunch of players are US based and probably have jobs so they wont be able to post till later tonight, especially if they are west coast.
@casey, jkirby has barely posted since the start of day 2 and that is extremely troubling. It seems that you are suspicious of him for his complete lack of posting and that's it correct? Looking at your filter it seems you have been basically tunneling jkirby lately without really giving your opinions on the others. What do you think of targe? He's on a lot of people's scum radar and as I pointed out, is jumping on jkirby. Where do you stand on me as I've said the most in D2. Who is on your scum list besides jkirby?
my read on you right now is a newbie town give how you voted. You and I both voted for the lurker before the mod kill warning came up and the others insisted we switched. You went with the majority because you were unsure of your reads and you admit that was wrong. I now really want to see your updated reads.
I sympathize with you for the lack of postings, but you yourself can be a source of information by giving your thoughts.
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On May 09 2013 03:10 shirokami wrote:
So, vayne hid his analysis for NO REASON
vayne wanted a no-lynch
vayne thought it was good that our one most active town was killed only because he is a miller
vayne is playing scummy
and you are saying he is scummy town or some shit?
really guys.. ?
@shirokami, you really need to give your opinions about others besides vayne. He has a lot to answer for and we all know that. In the meantime you can be helpful by telling us what you think me, targe, casey, allhailhydragod. You have enough information to form an opinion on the ones I named and possibly the rest. Posting like what i juss quoted seems scummy.
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Uh I already explained why I hid my analysis, you guys either need to actually read the thread or stop posting.
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either shirokami is really good at playing the dumb mafia role or hes just garbage at this game, assuming the latter.
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On May 09 2013 03:10 shirokami wrote:
So, vayne hid his analysis for NO REASON
vayne wanted a no-lynch
vayne thought it was good that our one most active town was killed only because he is a miller
vayne is playing scummy
and you are saying he is scummy town or some shit?
really guys.. ?
Vayne's reason for withholding made sense, I was the one in question and even I can see that, getting rid of miller is a good thing, it means that any rolefinds will return true, we don't have to worry about it being true or false.
No lynch I don't agree with.
Shiro, if that's seriously your analysis for the day you need to perk up, that's poor.
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@Spicydinosaur : Yes that is correct, his lack of post`s, and the fact that he have not answeared my question`s
+ Show Spoiler +You are claiming town and saying we should lynch whoever we think are scum. And you will prove your townrole with fearless lynching and analysis. So my question is : Where are the fearing lynches and analysis ??
You figured out Nobodywonder, Shirokami and me to be the scumteam. Maybe one of them are, i haven done enough reading on them yet, i will come back to that. But we sure arent a scumteam. You proceed with voting Nobodywonder , then you change your vote to Targe , and in the very last chaning your vote to No lynch .
You had 3 suspects, changed your vote to non of thoose 3 and ending up with no lynch. What happend to we fearing lynches and : Lynch whoever we think are scum ??
My read on you is town : You have given answear`s to everyone who had any question`s for you. You ask alot of good question`s.
Im going to the gym now, il be back in 1,5 hour, i will then start to do some more analytic read`s and post them later this evening. I think you are right about me tunneling jkirby, and i should put my focus more on other`s now, astleast until Jrkirby replies.
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So jarjar, jampidampi, jrkirby and nobodywonders were in a previous newbie game together. Can the remaining 2 players please try to give some meta insight? jrkirby do you think nobodywonders' play is any different than when he was town last game, and vice-versa.
It looks a little strange that the two people who are dead are from this group of players. Jarjar said NW was scummy but indistinguishable from his last games where he was town and he Had jrkirby as scummy for the no-lynch switch despite townread on him.
jampi on the other hand didn't even get to voice any kind of opinion about you two so that could be why he wound up dead, meaning you didn't want it to come to that.
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Jampi was a clear town so that was not really a good thing even tho he flipped miller
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Going to consolidate my vote to prevent a last second mafia bandwagon lynch
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My Scumread`s
Jrkirby
Beacause of this, wich he havent replied for, and the fact that we havent heard from him for almost 2 days now
Good post AllHailHydra, i think SpicyDinasour have some answearing to be done.
I have some question`s for you @jrkirby
On May 04 2013 13:10 jrkirby wrote:
Show nested quote +
+ Show Spoiler +What I'd prefer is not to have lurkers. But I think we should lynch whoever we think is scum, and lurking contributes towards scumread in my book.
You are claiming town and saying we should lynch whoever we think are scum. And you will prove your townrole with fearless lynching and analysis. So my question is : Where are the fearing lynches and analysis ??
You figured out Nobodywonder, Shirokami and me to be the scumteam. Maybe one of them are, i haven done enough reading on them yet, i will come back to that. But we sure arent a scumteam. You proceed with voting Nobodywonder , then you change your vote to Targe , and in the very last chaning your vote to No lynch .
You had 3 suspects, changed your vote to non of thoose 3 and ending up with no lynch. What happend to fearing lynches and : Lynch whoever we think are scum ??
Shirokami]
You promise use good post/analytic`s several time`s. Im not impressed with your contribution. Look below how you promise to come with some big post when you get home, then you promise to catch up in 12 hour`s, and you serve us two small post`s ?
On May 05 2013 18:06 shirokami wrote:
@spicy
I'm traveling as I write back to home, still many kilometers to go but hey I will post something big after I get back home.
I'm sorry for not been posting anything with content.
Will tell you later why.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote:
Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum.
Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention.
Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian.
@Calgar
Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun.
@everyone
Feel free to ask anything.
On May 08 2013 10:22 shirokami wrote:
Im going to catch up in 12 hours or so. I still want to lynch vayne tho.
This is your catch up ??
+ Show Spoiler +On May 09 2013 03:10 shirokami wrote:
So, vayne hid his analysis for NO REASON
vayne wanted a no-lynch
vayne thought it was good that our one most active town was killed only because he is a miller
vayne is playing scummy
and you are saying he is scummy town or some shit?
really guys.. ? On May 09 2013 04:43 shirokami wrote:
Jampi was a clear town so that was not really a good thing even tho he flipped miller
That is my two biggest scumread`s for now, i will be reading trough Targe and Vayne`s filter`s now, i see many people are suspicious about them, i will post later when iv had time to read some more about them and have a better opinion myself.
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This was supposed to be in my last post
Shirokami Considering theese promises and looking at what post`s you have given, it seems for me like your agenda is to waste alot of time, and not help at all to catch some scum`s, and time is running out now, we really cant afford another mislynch. Did you read the rules about : Play to win ? Your not doing that right now..
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Catchup is coming after I get out of bar
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On May 09 2013 05:31 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Good post AllHailHydra, i think SpicyDinasour have some answearing to be done.
lol what?
On May 07 2013 01:01 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Good post AllHailHydra, i think SpicyDinasour have some answearing to be done.
deja-vu
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@hydra
On May 08 2013 19:12 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Just wanted to post my thoughts on Calgar after reading his filter. but then I saw this. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 11:49 nobodywonder wrote:
btw i really applaud the choice of cereals
trix is very evil and gives diarrhea if you eat too fast or too much. good gf choice
wheaties are just stronk and good 3p killer
it may have been funnier with the cereal mascots considering they are so schizophenic, coco puffs bird, tony the tiger, cookie crisp wolf.
/spam so bored, post town, post........... Calgar, seems unaffected by me having a townread on some people and him not being among them. I also don't like how he chose to steer discussion towards a lurker lynch policy so early on (first post of the game). I feel like as a townie you'd want to see how people introduce themselves and what they choose to start talking about because that gives more info than if they agree on policy lynching lurkers or not. I feel like he shut a very important opportunity for reading players by doing that so early and practically inviting scum to post about a rather easy topic, or better yet ask others to post about it to seem implicated, like nobodywonders did Spicy for example. As far as I know, a lurker lynch policy is a common place to begin D1 discussion. I don't really see how you could read that one way or another as a result. It quickly transitions from the 'hi i'm xx, not much to talk about..." to something of substance, which can only be a good thing.
Let me get this straight - you're suggesting I stifled discussion by suggesting a topic of conversation? How is that possible because it seems to be a direct contradiction. I see it as giving people something to talk about and voice their opinion on. At the very least it shows that someone either ignores the topic if they don't reply to it. If they do, you get their opinions and more posting as a result. I don't see how I'm "practically inviting" active lurking, either, and even if it were to occur then they could be called out for doing so. As in something of substance to be analyzed. I think you're demonstrating poor logic here.
So upon reading his filter I think a Calgar, nobodywonders, Targe scumteam is possible, meaning that he might be satisfied with my initial attempt at a read of a pool of townie looking players because his two scumbuddies are in that pool. And I've said that it's a superficial read so I figure maybe that's why he doesn't ask me anything about it. You've just pulled a 'sugarfluff' here and concocted a theory about my true motivations without basing it on anything. You're putting words in my mouth here. I think your case is a weak read with questionable logic because of the aforementioned reasons so I don't really have anything to further ask about.
@sugarfluffOn May 08 2013 19:56 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 08:37 calgar wrote:On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). As far as I'm concerned, shirokami's filter is the one that is frekishly devoid of actual content right now. Why aren't you more concerned about him as a lurker than jrkirby? shiro has given vague excuses and one read all game, way less than kirby has done. If I had briefly mentioned kirby initially instead of shiro, would you be suspicious of us two instead? As far as me "completely skip"ing kirby, you're just as guilty of completely skipping over casey and shiro. Casey hasn't been that bad, although I don't have townread on him either. Shiros filter is indeed a very sad thing, and his continued delays are getting more and more suspicious. But people were already pointing out his lurking and voicing suspicions about it. I wanted to hear kirby speak up, and I wanted to see how you'd react. Quite frankly I thought you reacted poorly, but reading through my posts I realized that I never outright asked you, what do you think of kirby? You still have not given an opinion on him. Well kirby has been gone for basically 2 days now so he's basically lurking as hard as shiro is, except he was more useful before and had a decent post speculating on a team. I think I read town because I understand how he was bothered by the late bandwagon switch. Switching to no lynch was a weird way to go about it but I think the meta from their previous games may have affected his views in a way which looks odd to us. Having said that, I don't really understand why he has disappeared for so long and I don't really see scum disappearing for 2 straight days, though who knows with WIFOM and all. So I'll say slight town but very confused as to why he has vanished.
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Voted shirokami because obviously a post on jkirby is pointless if someone lurks for two days straight.
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@calgar
It might be just me but I don't consider talking about lurker lynch policy useful at all. If I was mafia I'd be glad to have something like this to talk about because there's no way I'd give myself away, blending in is just too easy. So I'm not exactly sure why you think that you needed to force discussion on such a topic, it looks like you honestly think that it helps town so either you're townie who just doesn't think like me or you're scum.
On May 09 2013 06:35 calgar wrote:
Let me get this straight - you're suggesting I stifled discussion by suggesting a topic of conversation? How is that possible because it seems to be a direct contradiction. I see it as giving people something to talk about and voice their opinion on. At the very least it shows that someone either ignores the topic if they don't reply to it.
If someone ignores the topic or not what does that tell you about them? I just don't see any way how you could interpret any reaction or input on the matter with regard to alignment, so in my view it's a surrogate for any real discussion. Even the lack of a clear theme for discussion would've been better than this one, because it would've kept scum (and I'm not implying you're not scum, on a contrary) guessing about what to talk about, because not talking about anything would make them look bad.
If you did want to start something a RVS for example would've been way better.
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VOTE COUNT:
Targe (3) AllHailHydraGod, Spicydinosaur, VayneAuthority
eSpi.Casey (0) VayneAuthority
jrkirby (1) eSpi.Casey
shirokami (1) calgar, Targe
Not Voting: All the other cereals
late night snack is in ~18 hours. Voting is mandatory.
Currently Targe is set to no longer be able to eat Life cereal!!
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
Also, please remember to format your votes correctly.
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isnt the deadline in 3 hours? its 7pm est and I believe the day ends at 10 pm. Is the 18 hours just a copy typo from the last count?
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On May 09 2013 06:35 calgar wrote:
Well kirby has been gone for basically 2 days now so he's basically lurking as hard as shiro is, except he was more useful before and had a decent post speculating on a team. I think I read town because I understand how he was bothered by the late bandwagon switch. Switching to no lynch was a weird way to go about it but I think the meta from their previous games may have affected his views in a way which looks odd to us. Having said that, I don't really understand why he has disappeared for so long and I don't really see scum disappearing for 2 straight days, though who knows with WIFOM and all. So I'll say slight town but very confused as to why he has vanished.
All right, fair enough.
As of this moment we have a lot of people failing to contribute; shirokami keeps delaying, kirby has been missing a long time, and nobody has been gone pretty much just as long. Obviously some of these lurkers are town, which makes lynching a lurker not that pretty of a prospect, unless other reasons are brought up for voting them.
Hope any or all of you guys do post before the day ends.
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Yo targe. Im not scum so vote for the 2nd scum read of yours.
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kitaman27
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On May 09 2013 08:07 Spicydinosaur wrote:
isnt the deadline in 3 hours? its 7pm est and I believe the day ends at 10 pm. Is the 18 hours just a copy typo from the last count?
Correct. Cycle ends in 2.5 hours
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On May 09 2013 07:04 AllHailHydraGod wrote:@calgar It might be just me but I don't consider talking about lurker lynch policy useful at all. If I was mafia I'd be glad to have something like this to talk about because there's no way I'd give myself away, blending in is just too easy. So I'm not exactly sure why you think that you needed to force discussion on such a topic, it looks like you honestly think that it helps town so either you're townie who just doesn't think like me or you're scum. Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:35 calgar wrote:
Let me get this straight - you're suggesting I stifled discussion by suggesting a topic of conversation? How is that possible because it seems to be a direct contradiction. I see it as giving people something to talk about and voice their opinion on. At the very least it shows that someone either ignores the topic if they don't reply to it.
If someone ignores the topic or not what does that tell you about them? I just don't see any way how you could interpret any reaction or input on the matter with regard to alignment, so in my view it's a surrogate for any real discussion. Even the lack of a clear theme for discussion would've been better than this one, because it would've kept scum (and I'm not implying you're not scum, on a contrary) guessing about what to talk about, because not talking about anything would make them look bad. If you did want to start something a RVS for example would've been way better. I honestly think it can help. The way it helps though is if everyone agrees and then backs it up which didn't happen here. So in this case I'll agree with you that it was useless, but I think it has potential if used correctly. We've got a lot of lurkers running around and because it's clear they aren't going to be lynched there's no reason to ever stop. That's what its supposed to do, and how it can help town, by stopping play like kirby disappearing for 2 days and shiro apparently trolling like this.
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Sorry i havent been able to check in the thread again before now, i will be here for atleast 1 more hour checking in on the thread now and then, il try to be here up until night but i cant promise i manage that yet. So where do we stand now ? Targe is set to be lynched at the moment, can everyone who have voted speak out if this is their final vote or is anyone of you open to change ? Let`s make this clear now so we dont have a situation like D1. My vote is on Jrkirby, i am open to change for Shiromaki, since he seems just as scum as Jrkirby now.
@Shiromaki : Why havent you replied to my post to you ? And where is your ``catching up when you got of from the bar`` Give me an good answear before the Lynch to make me change my mind about you.
Il now do the filter reading of Targe&Vayne wich i wanted to do earlier today but i diddent get time, so il try have an better opinion about them aswell before Night.
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I'll put my vote on shirokami, I am more confident in his scummy-ness than Targes and at this rate kirby is bound to be modkilled when he doesn't vote.
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hey guys, im pretty drunk and my notepad is like 4 pages behind, so my analysis will be not based on my notepad but only in stuff I have will read in few minutes, I hope I can make a post that will make me not to get lynched, but now I will read some filters and FYI im vanilla town, so if you mislynch me now, its not the worst thing in the world but it will be bad ofc because then 3 town players will be dead.
so.. I hope I make it in time. im pretty bad shape right now. fuck finnish alcohol-culture.
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@casey
Sorry. the 1st day analysis was going to be long but they posted something good and it did not matter anymore. it was about jarjar and jampidampi but they were both arguing like townies so I did not want to make a case about them because why would I LYNCH a townie? thats the reason for not giving you a WALL-OF-TEXT -analysis D1.
so. I voted for jrkirby because I dont like his filter and few points made him stand up from everyone else:
he read both jampidampi and jarjar as town, but he claimed he was doing rookie mistakes @last game he played.
BUT actually, im unvoting him and voting for vayne because im standing behind my vote against scumread #1 and im betting all my fucking money on him flipping scum!
@everyone
please ask me anything b4 the phase change
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why are you voting for random meaningless things when the lynch is between you and Targe? you aren't playing to win, kinda just fucking around.
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On May 09 2013 10:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
why are you voting for random meaningless things when the lynch is between you and Targe? you aren't playing to win, kinda just fucking around. Agreed. Why is this half-assed analysis 30 minutes before the lynch, when you've done nothing in the last 48 hours, supposed to change our minds in any way?
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also, 1/5th of the players are about to get modkilled =/ this game looks over anyway
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I dont have time to put any good read`s on Vayne&Targe now, iv read trough their filter`s one time, but i need more time to make up my mind, for now Jrkirby and Shiro are my scumread`s. And again you promised a long post today Shiro, and yet again excuse for them not coming, its always something, your not home, using your phone, and now your netboard... And i must agree with Sugarfluff about Jrkirby will be modkilled, also agreeing with Vayne here about your meaningless vote. Im very tempted to change my vote to you, and i might do, i will update the thread regulary now and see what other people think&do
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vayne its over and you win.
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Actually, i put my vote on shirokami right now. I dont want him to vote for Targe and win in a tie. Shiro is WAY more scummy right now
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At this point my only hope is that one or two of the people who will be mod killed end up as scum. If not then its pretty much GG
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@casey
when I flip town, who is scum and why?
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Jrkirby for the reason iv stated
and the 3rd one im not to sure about that i will post yet. About you flipping town, i dont think you do.
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I did not say IF I flip town,
I said WHEN I flip town.
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vote for kirby then, you fool.
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Jrkirby will be modkilled so that would be a waste
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Jkirby is going to be mod killed for not voting. Waste of a vote if you pick him.
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oh gosh darn it. voting for myself.
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On May 09 2013 10:58 shirokami wrote:
oh gosh darn it. voting for myself.
That just summary how you have been playing&helping out trough the game. Did you not read the rule about : Play to win ?
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the game started at worst possible time I would have ever expected.
thats why my everything is 4969346pages behind.
shit happens.
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kitaman27
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![[image loading]](http://omgjeremy.com.s57441.gridserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/05honeycomb-300x259.jpg) Night Two
The town was anxious and hungry. The feast had carried on longer than usual. The citizens had unpeeled what of the duct tape that they could from the top of their boxes but refused to show anyone else their contents out of fear of what others may do. Citizens were begging, no screaming for the Creamy Milk of Justice to be poured over someone so that they could be eaten. "What do we want???" screamed one citizen; another yelled a response, "CEREAL!!!" "When do we want it?" the first continued. In typical call-and-response format the crowd responded, "Today!!! Tomorrow!! Every day until the feast ends!!!" The crowd quickly rushed towards one, in a flash the ripped open his box and poured him into the bowl. shirokami has been eaten to death.
shirokami the Honeycomb (Vanilla Townie) has been lynched.
nobodywonder and jrkirby have received warnings for their inactivity and failure to vote. If they do not respond to my PM, they will be modkilled at the start of day three.
You have 24 hours to submit your night actions. Please remember to send your actions to all 3 hosts.
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Damn shiro, you shouldent play if you have so little time, and atleast when you did post you should have come with some content. You only made excuses, i was so sure you were scum, what happend with play to win ? Now it look`s really bad for us, and Jrkirby&Nobodywonder better start posting very soon now..
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hard to have interest in this game when the guy could have voted Targe and it would be at a 4-4 lynch, choosing instead to lynch himself as a town which clearly isnt playing to win.
Im aware its "newbie" mafia but this is just pathetic...
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This is a reminder from the government. Your cereals have been fortified with vitamins and minerals. Please send any night actions to all the branches of the government(Kita, phagga and myself).
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This game seems dead :/ Il be away most time of this day, will try to check in when i have a chance, and il post later tonight
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The only good news so far is that no blues have been killed yet, and hopefully we get some info from night 2. That last day was so disastrous that we didn't get any new information out of it.
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On May 06 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Forgive me, but I fail to see how no lynching day 1 is so ridiculous in a game with PR roles. Killing town off before having evidence to go off of only helps the mafia. By lynching some one instead of not lynching, thats a whole day less of PR roles gathering info.
Could some one explain to me how no lynching is bad? All the people against that are very suspicious to me for the time being.
On May 06 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have always played in small games with PR roles on epicmafia.com where day 1 lynching a lot of the time is obscene and would get you called a noob pretty harshly so I dunno why people are so vehemently against it. This is how I was taught to play.
I find this hard to believe because PRs can claim to avoid being lynched.
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On May 10 2013 00:36 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Forgive me, but I fail to see how no lynching day 1 is so ridiculous in a game with PR roles. Killing town off before having evidence to go off of only helps the mafia. By lynching some one instead of not lynching, thats a whole day less of PR roles gathering info.
Could some one explain to me how no lynching is bad? All the people against that are very suspicious to me for the time being. Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have always played in small games with PR roles on epicmafia.com where day 1 lynching a lot of the time is obscene and would get you called a noob pretty harshly so I dunno why people are so vehemently against it. This is how I was taught to play. I find this hard to believe because PRs can claim to avoid being lynched.
Basically if you don't lynch day 1 you can mislynch the same guy day 2, but get an extra night for PRs to use skills.
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On May 10 2013 02:27 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 00:36 AllHailHydraGod wrote:On May 06 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Forgive me, but I fail to see how no lynching day 1 is so ridiculous in a game with PR roles. Killing town off before having evidence to go off of only helps the mafia. By lynching some one instead of not lynching, thats a whole day less of PR roles gathering info.
Could some one explain to me how no lynching is bad? All the people against that are very suspicious to me for the time being. On May 06 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have always played in small games with PR roles on epicmafia.com where day 1 lynching a lot of the time is obscene and would get you called a noob pretty harshly so I dunno why people are so vehemently against it. This is how I was taught to play. I find this hard to believe because PRs can claim to avoid being lynched. Basically if you don't lynch day 1 you can mislynch the same guy day 2, but get an extra night for PRs to use skills.
pretty much. Even in games where the cop/tracker finds a mafia the first night you dont trust them first night because the janitor (blocks who got killed that night) could have done it to the tracker/cop and the "tracker/cop" is actually a mafia. This allows another night of PR actions to see if you can catch them lying or not. Thats the most popular setup on that site.
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Also there's a lot of setups where PRs do want to claim immediately, to get bodyguard or medic attention.
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Well it sucks to see shiro flip town because he was so scummy with the stall tactics and refusal to give reads. Shame to have a townie sabotaging and not trying to win. I think it's important to not give up yet because we still have a chance to win here if the MIAs return / if we get a solid lynch with reads.
@hydra
You jumped in as the replacement with some good reads and analysis. Since then you've been much less active. You've been suspicious of spicy and targe previously - what are your current reads?
@spicy
I'd like to hear your thoughts as well as hydra's before N2 ends because I've liked your play more than most of the other players so far. You've pointed at casey and targe as scummy - do you still feel the same?
@sugar, vayne, targe
I'm not really sure who to shake my stick at now between the three of you. Shiro seemed very certain that vayne was scum, although we should probably take that with a grain of salt due to the rest of his play. Was he going somewhere or is this just a red herring? It doesn't seem like sugarfluff has done much of any scum-hunting. targe has been summarized by several players so far. I'm leaning towards lynching one of these guys right now.
@nobody, jrkirby
Why did you sign up if you weren't going to play?
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On May 10 2013 06:35 calgar wrote:
@spicy
I'd like to hear your thoughts as well as hydra's before N2 ends because I've liked your play more than most of the other players so far. You've pointed at casey and targe as scummy - do you still feel the same?
I get a town read from hydra. He jumped right in, didnt waste time and started analyzing the other players, starting with me. He gave his opinions and asked a lot of questions. He could have just said some bs intro of himself but instead went right at it.
Targe is still at the top of my scum list. Nothing he has said has changed anything. Since D2 was so disastrous we never really got any new info. This will probably change with the incoming mod kills.
I feel Vayne is playing the long game and not giving out too much information to keep himself under the radar. But then after D2, the whole game basically feel to shit so there wasn't much to say.
About casey, I'm not as sure about him as I am Targe, but he's been saying things that sound pretty scummy.
He says this:
On May 09 2013 08:45 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Sorry i havent been able to check in the thread again before now, i will be here for atleast 1 more hour checking in on the thread now and then, il try to be here up until night but i cant promise i manage that yet. So where do we stand now ? Targe is set to be lynched at the moment, can everyone who have voted speak out if this is their final vote or is anyone of you open to change ? Let`s make this clear now so we dont have a situation like D1. My vote is on Jrkirby, i am open to change for Shiromaki, since he seems just as scum as Jrkirby now.
@Shiromaki : Why havent you replied to my post to you ? And where is your ``catching up when you got of from the bar`` Give me an good answear before the Lynch to make me change my mind about you.
Il now do the filter reading of Targe&Vayne wich i wanted to do earlier today but i diddent get time, so il try have an better opinion about them aswell before Night.
Then he writes this:
On May 09 2013 10:27 eSpi.Casey wrote:
I dont have time to put any good read`s on Vayne&Targe now, iv read trough their filter`s one time, but i need more time to make up my mind, for now Jrkirby and Shiro are my scumread`s. And again you promised a long post today Shiro, and yet again excuse for them not coming, its always something, your not home, using your phone, and now your netboard... And i must agree with Sugarfluff about Jrkirby will be modkilled, also agreeing with Vayne here about your meaningless vote. Im very tempted to change my vote to you, and i might do, i will update the thread regulary now and see what other people think&do
This kind of delayed opinion and false promise of analysis reeks of scum. He said he was going to give us a read on vayne and targe, but then jumped on the shiro wagon. The problem is that shiro was such a horrible player, its hard to tell if he put his vote on shiro because shiro was an ass, or to protect targe. The truth is we dont have Casey's opinion of targe anywhere. As such, i think targe and casey are possible scum buddies.
I'd want a cop to check Casey out.
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I suggest you read through the topic again, i said i would give read on Targe/Vayne, but i diddent make it on time. So i choosed to wait and see what happend with the vote`s, i gave my reasons for what i was doing, and if you scroll back in D2, you can see i provided more post then many, i was pretty active, but i diddent get the time to make a good read for any of them before deadline, but as promised, the read`s on them will come on D3. I have been on work for the whole day, and i have half day tomorrow on work, so after that il come back and catch up.
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On May 10 2013 08:00 eSpi.Casey wrote:
I suggest you read through the topic again, i said i would give read on Targe/Vayne, but i diddent make it on time. So i choosed to wait and see what happend with the vote`s, i gave my reasons for what i was doing, and if you scroll back in D2, you can see i provided more post then many, i was pretty active, but i diddent get the time to make a good read for any of them before deadline, but as promised, the read`s on them will come on D3. I have been on work for the whole day, and i have half day tomorrow on work, so after that il come back and catch up.
You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you ran out of time before the vote.
You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you wanted to see what would happen with the vote.
You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you said you will wait for D3.
Please tell me how this does not look scummy. You said you couldn't get a read before the deadline... so then you just stopped trying? That makes no sense.
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Day Three
Geript and phagga both were in the center of town sitting on the same side of a low-standing, drab wooden table. Hostility was in the air alongside an air of ceremony. Both were silently supping from two different boxes of cereal. The would pass the Rusty Spoon of Vengeance between to each other to alternate bites of their breakfast from the Chipped Porcelain Bowl of Lip Smacking Goodness. One side of the bowl was filled with familiar shapes seen often enough before; the other was quite different--bland looking rugated squares with brightly colored spheres. Each would swivel in their chair to hand The Spoon to the other after they took their bite. As the town came around the table, they noticed two empty boxes on the ground each with most of the tape covering them removed. Just one strip of tape with names were left on the top and the colorful packaging, one reading AllHailHydra and the other Targe. Not even a stray piece was left in their bags and they were gone forever as their last bites were finished.
Targe the Cap'n Crunch (Mafia rolecop) has been consumed
AllHailHydra the Honeycomb (Vanilla townie) is now chyme
I hate to do this and I apologize about the impact it will have on the game, but...
jrkirby the Apple Jacks (Parity Cop) has been modkilled.
Nobodywonder the Honeycomb (Vanilla townie) has been modkilled.
Night 2 is over. Day 3 has begun. You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch.
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I'm the vig and I shot Targe. Figured after 2 days of him avoiding the lynch and with the impending mod kills, I had to make a move.
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alright, well if nobody CCs you then or anything we have to figure out who is the town that voted for shirokami in that last vote. We can still win if we lynch correctly....you're dead tomorrow night spicy so lets think about this
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also good to know that my skills haven't diminished, my immediate suspicion of Targe turned out to true haha.
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Im leaning towards lynching sugarfluff due to him and espi.casey being the common denominator in both bad lynches and something feels off about him going through his filler. Let me know what you think of Calgar, sugarfluff, and espi.casey spicy.
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So here's who we got left:
Me, Sugarfluff, Vayne, Calgar, and Casey. We have to get the next two votes right perfectly or we are done.
Before AllHailHydraGod, he was focusing on Calgar and thinks he might have been scum. jampidampi before he died suspected Casey of being scum. Both of them believed Targe to be scum.
Right now I'm leaning towards Casey as he has been actively avoiding giving an analysis of Targe and never voted for him.
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gg, best of luck everyone.
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On May 10 2013 08:35 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:00 eSpi.Casey wrote:
I suggest you read through the topic again, i said i would give read on Targe/Vayne, but i diddent make it on time. So i choosed to wait and see what happend with the vote`s, i gave my reasons for what i was doing, and if you scroll back in D2, you can see i provided more post then many, i was pretty active, but i diddent get the time to make a good read for any of them before deadline, but as promised, the read`s on them will come on D3. I have been on work for the whole day, and i have half day tomorrow on work, so after that il come back and catch up. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you ran out of time before the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you wanted to see what would happen with the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you said you will wait for D3. Please tell me how this does not look scummy. You said you couldn't get a read before the deadline... so then you just stopped trying? That makes no sense.
Give me a break..I said i would give a read on targe&vayne, but i diddent have enough time before the lynch, i told this and said i would wait until i had better time. Now you want to vote for me cause you diddent get that read in time, and cause i never voted for Targe ? Obvious i diddent vote for him cause i havent done a good read on him yet, iv done reading on other`s, and i think i was pretty active on D2 with many post`s and read`s, but i was focusing alot on Jrkirby, to much i guess. If you filter me you will see i have stated my reason`s for why i voted like i did. I will filter Sugar and comeback with my read`s on him later today.
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Alright so this is how were gonna do this. Everyone needs to claim right now what role they are. I am curious if there's any more PR roles out there as that would make this a lot easier. We know we had a vig and the cop so thats 2 and there is 3 mafia so if you are a PR speak up now.
I am just normal town.
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Anyone reluctant to claim holds my highest suspicion, so post now or forever hold your peace. Be back later today.
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@spicy
Alright, good job on the targe hunch spicy. I'm not entirely sure you're dead next but there's probably a good chance. Time to turn things around while we still can.
@vayne
I've reread vayne's filter and changed my mind. I don't think he's played a very good game and he's said a lot of things that can be individually considered scummy, like his vague active lurking/'stalling for time' posts to start the game:
On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts and
On May 04 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
Not enough information yet to know whether I want to lynch lurkers or not. I need at least a post from everyone first, as well as some votes to come in. then we'll see
Then there was his insistence on withholding information (you realize when you don't share reads thats 3 mafia you're denying and 8 other towns... 8 seems more important 3...) but that's been mentioned a lot already. There is also the continued mention of a no-lynch and that has been discussed already as well. The no-lynch seems to come from his past experiences and he feels that it would genuinely help town.
So even though there are all these individuals things I don't like about his play, I fail to see an overall scummy motivation in his actions as a whole. He made the targe case a while ago and was pushing his read there. I don't really see why scum would pressure targe back then so I can't really imagine that he would be making that case so early if he weren't town. This kind of clears him in my eyes for now. casey also seems to have tried to build a case on you so this can further confirm you I think.
my scum team
Regarding my scum team - I previously had sugarfluff, shirokami, and one other (likely casey or targe I said). I really thought shiro was going to flip red because he was so scummy, which made me feel like a targe + casey team was unlikely because shiro was higher on the priority list and the team was full. Now than he flipped as terribletown I think casey and targe make a lot more sense. I'll revise my scumteam now to targe, sugarfluff, and casey.
casey and targe interaction
I've thought casey has had bad posting but seemed to be making a genuine effort at some point. I was waiting for him to improve and he just hasn't and the clocks struck midnight for me. The newbiness and language make it tougher to interpret his true motives and I've probably given him the benefit of the doubt too long as a result. I do think it's striking that they fail to give opinions on each other.
What bothers me is similar to what spicy has brought - promising to give reads and then just never delivering. Its excuse after excuse similar to shirokami, just no useful contributions.
He seems to be pointing the finger at sugarfluff now - maybe he's doing this so sugar looks better when casey flips red?
sugarfluff
I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions.
roleblocker?
Also, if we can trust shiro saying he was roleblocked then this would suggest there is a roleblocker amongst the remaining players? I'm not really sure if we can use this information to our benefit since it may not be true.
In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT.
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On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote:@spicy Alright, good job on the targe hunch spicy. I'm not entirely sure you're dead next but there's probably a good chance. Time to turn things around while we still can. @vayneI've reread vayne's filter and changed my mind. I don't think he's played a very good game and he's said a lot of things that can be individually considered scummy, like his vague active lurking/'stalling for time' posts to start the game: Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts and Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
Not enough information yet to know whether I want to lynch lurkers or not. I need at least a post from everyone first, as well as some votes to come in. then we'll see Then there was his insistence on withholding information (you realize when you don't share reads thats 3 mafia you're denying and 8 other towns... 8 seems more important 3...) but that's been mentioned a lot already. There is also the continued mention of a no-lynch and that has been discussed already as well. The no-lynch seems to come from his past experiences and he feels that it would genuinely help town. So even though there are all these individuals things I don't like about his play, I fail to see an overall scummy motivation in his actions as a whole. He made the targe case a while ago and was pushing his read there. I don't really see why scum would pressure targe back then so I can't really imagine that he would be making that case so early if he weren't town. This kind of clears him in my eyes for now. casey also seems to have tried to build a case on you so this can further confirm you I think. my scum teamRegarding my scum team - I previously had sugarfluff, shirokami, and one other (likely casey or targe I said). I really thought shiro was going to flip red because he was so scummy, which made me feel like a targe + casey team was unlikely because shiro was higher on the priority list and the team was full. Now than he flipped as terribletown I think casey and targe make a lot more sense. I'll revise my scumteam now to targe, sugarfluff, and casey. casey and targe interactionI've thought casey has had bad posting but seemed to be making a genuine effort at some point. I was waiting for him to improve and he just hasn't and the clocks struck midnight for me. The newbiness and language make it tougher to interpret his true motives and I've probably given him the benefit of the doubt too long as a result. I do think it's striking that they fail to give opinions on each other. What bothers me is similar to what spicy has brought - promising to give reads and then just never delivering. Its excuse after excuse similar to shirokami, just no useful contributions. He seems to be pointing the finger at sugarfluff now - maybe he's doing this so sugar looks better when casey flips red? sugarfluffI've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions. roleblocker?Also, if we can trust shiro saying he was roleblocked then this would suggest there is a roleblocker amongst the remaining players? I'm not really sure if we can use this information to our benefit since it may not be true. In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT.
I think we can trust that shiro was roleblocked even though he was a terrible townie, he didn't have any reason to lie. Now the question is whether it was a town jailer or scum role blocker. I'm leaning towards scum role blocker unless someone claims town jailor.
Vayne has been on targe for a long time and it didnt feel like a fake out scum on scum misdirect.
@sugarfluff: you really need to post to get your opinions out and start posting.
On May 10 2013 21:29 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Give me a break..I said i would give a read on targe&vayne, but i diddent have enough time before the lynch, i told this and said i would wait until i had better time. Now you want to vote for me cause you diddent get that read in time, and cause i never voted for Targe ? Obvious i diddent vote for him cause i havent done a good read on him yet, iv done reading on other`s, and i think i was pretty active on D2 with many post`s and read`s, but i was focusing alot on Jrkirby, to much i guess. If you filter me you will see i have stated my reason`s for why i voted like i did. I will filter Sugar and comeback with my read`s on him later today.
I'm looking forward to your analysis and I would like if you would also give your view on calgar.
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My read on Vayne
Seems for me right now as the most town, but i have not read to much filter`s of Spicy yet, but they are the two im most confident about being town. Vayne say he have good experience with playing mafia, and for me it seems like he have some experience, i diddent like D1 when he held back his information, but he explained his reason`s, wich seems good, also he have posted content with good analytic`s, and looking on who he have scumreaded and voted for, he have been mostly correct with his thought`s, this make Vayne my best town read at the moment.
Im leaning vs sugarfluff as my most scummy read right now, but that being said, i need more time to read more filter`s. And right now i dont have that time, its weekend, im on my way out the door to a friend`s birthday party, i realize its not ideal, but i will post my read`s on calgar&sugar in good time before the lynch, and try to answear for me as good as i can, i really dont have time to even post this, but i think its sad how this game turned out with inactive player`s and i try to do as good i can to not be one of them.
I have one question for everyone, its just for my personal interest. When you guys do filter reading&scum hunt, how long time do you use to make an post with an ok length and content ? I find myself spening alot of time when i try filter reading someone, and i only manage to focus on one person at the time, reading trough his post over and over again to find reason`s for that person being scummy or not. I probably spend 1 hour if i make imo, a good post&content. I read&understand english well, i struggle with some words, but all in all i dont think i misunderstand anything. Is it like this for you aswell ( not about the language, but the rest ) Il check in here tonight again when i get home, read the posts and my read`s will come in good time as promised.
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On May 11 2013 01:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
Alright so this is how were gonna do this. Everyone needs to claim right now what role they are. I am curious if there's any more PR roles out there as that would make this a lot easier. We know we had a vig and the cop so thats 2 and there is 3 mafia so if you are a PR speak up now.
I am just normal town.
Dont forget to roleclaim Espi.Casey
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On May 10 2013 11:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im leaning towards lynching sugarfluff due to him and espi.casey being the common denominator in both bad lynches and something feels off about him going through his filler. Is there any reason you're leaning towards sugarfluff over casey right now?
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On May 11 2013 03:29 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im leaning towards lynching sugarfluff due to him and espi.casey being the common denominator in both bad lynches and something feels off about him going through his filler. Is there any reason you're leaning towards sugarfluff over casey right now?
Mostly just intuition/gut. I don't really have any specific reason but I would definitely feel safer lynching sugarfluff than espi.casey. Either way, I am voting for whoever the vigilante, spicy, votes for.
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It seems atm that Sugarfluff is the one with the most suspicion right now with no one defending him. I believe Vayne to be town so we have a 2/3 chance of lynching scum tonight. Vayne of course could be lying and be an awesome scum player but at this point im betting he's town.
I'm not going to decide who I'm voting for until i hear from sugarfluff. What is curious is that both Calgar and Casey are saying that Sugar is scumy. By the numbers, one of or both of them is scum. I'm going to go through their filters and see who and who hasn't been talking to each other.
Sugarfluff please give us your thoughts sooner rather than later.
On May 11 2013 03:08 eSpi.Casey wrote:
I have one question for everyone, its just for my personal interest. When you guys do filter reading&scum hunt, how long time do you use to make an post with an ok length and content ? I find myself spening alot of time when i try filter reading someone, and i only manage to focus on one person at the time, reading trough his post over and over again to find reason`s for that person being scummy or not. I probably spend 1 hour if i make imo, a good post&content. I read&understand english well, i struggle with some words, but all in all i dont think i misunderstand anything. Is it like this for you aswell ( not about the language, but the rest ) Il check in here tonight again when i get home, read the posts and my read`s will come in good time as promised.
Length of a post doesn't matter as much as the context of it. What is important is to explain your reasoning and quote if necessary. If you can accomplish this in a few sentences then do it. When you scum hunt... look for how the person interacts with others... do they tunnel one person, do they ask questions, do they delay. I also found that looking at who they DON'T talk to is just as important.
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VOTE COUNT:
eSpi.Casey (1) calgar
Not Voting: Spicy Dinosaur, Sugarfluff, VayneAuthority, eSpi.Casey
eSpi.Casey is looking pretty tasty. ~21 hours left before lynch
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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Time for a little analysis of connections between Calgar, Casey, and Sugarfluff:
Calgar and sugar
The two of them have been actively questioning each other and have been accused the other of being scum. This looks to be legitimate and not orchestrated to hide scum ties.
On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - I don't like your posting very much so far. I understand the votes on you were a random bandwagon to try and prompt activity and what's come forth hasn't seemed very useful. I don't see you doing any hunting right now.
What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does.
On May 06 2013 06:34 calgar wrote:
I'm still not impressed with your posting sugarfluff. I understand you may or may not have known but that kind of tactic is something mafia like to do in order to be less threatening and noticed. I'd like to see you be more committed in taking a stand and outlining your reads. You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in?
On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - I guess it's fair to say I've tunneled you but you really haven't given me any reason to stop. Part of the reason I have been is to prompt you to talk more. Instead you've ignored my questions to date and that adds to my feeling of unease about you.
I also really dislike your case for some of the same reasons spicydinosaur does. It seems like you've made a lot of stretches and built it on poor premises. You've factored prominently a connection (or lack therof) between me and kirby, but I fail to see the relevance here. You mention that we haven't really interacted, but naturally I'm not going to be able to interact with everyone substantially or at all in the first few days. I haven't really had much to say to several other players such as spicy and shirokami - why no case built between us then? Even if we were both mafia, we might decide to interact a whole lot.
You've imagined this master plan that we have where we plan when to interact and that just doesn't make any sense to me - you can build a 'case' on anyone based on this strategy.
So yeah, give me a reason to back off and I will. Until then I really don't like your play at all, and I'm surprised more people haven't been on your case for it. Are you ever going to respond to my questions?
On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote:
sugarfluff
I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions.
On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote:
So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies.
Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange.
They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions.
On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason.
Calgar and Casey
The two of them talk even less than calgar and sugar. However Calgar does accuse Casey to be scum with Sugar.
On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote:
@casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads.
I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him.
On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote:
In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT.
Casey and Sugar
The two of them have the most bare bones interaction out of everyone. The only real analysis on each other isnt given yesterday.
On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote:
Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon.
On May 11 2013 03:08 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Im leaning vs sugarfluff as my most scummy read right now, but that being said, i need more time to read more filter`s. And right now i dont have that time, its weekend, im on my way out the door to a friend`s birthday party, i realize its not ideal, but i will post my read`s on calgar&sugar in good time before the lynch, and try to answear for me as good as i can, i really dont have time to even post this, but i think its sad how this game turned out with inactive player`s and i try to do as good i can to not be one of them.
CONCLUSION
I believe that Calgar is town, and that Sugar and Casey are the scum team. It also seems that casey is throwing sugar under the bus.
Before I vote I would like to hear Vayne's thought on this analysis.
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Before I can even talk about analysis we need Espi.casey and Sugarfluff to roleclaim. the level of inactivity in this game was pretty absurd, its like people thought the game is over after the first day lol. I dont understand what happened to half the players
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On May 11 2013 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
Before I can even talk about analysis we need Espi.casey and Sugarfluff to roleclaim. the level of inactivity in this game was pretty absurd, its like people thought the game is over after the first day lol. I dont understand what happened to half the players I don't know what to say other than maybe they've given up and/or don't care anymore?
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I won't be on till later tonight so I just wanted to get a vote in. I will hopefully be on before the deadline to see some new analysis from sugar and others.
For now
##vote: eSpi.Casey
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So yea, I lost interested in the game after the modkills and everything. I apologize, should not have just gone inactive like that.
On the subject of role-claiming, I'm vanilla town. Out of the remaining players not many could be town. No one seems to be disputing Spicy being the one that shot Targe, so that pretty much makes him town. Which means out of Casey, Calgar and Vayne only one can be town.
So the lynches. Calgar and Casey (and me) voted for Shirokami and got him lynched, while Vayne was set on Targe (as he had been from the beginning).
Calgar voted for me day 1, Vayne voted for Targe. And me and Casey voted for JarJar.
Not very useful on their own actually, Vayne was the only one on the correct guy. I still stand by the votes I cast, I thought Jarjar was suspicious and Shirokami was a worthwhile lynch anyhow. I do believe Vayne is town at this point, which means that Calgar and Casey are scum. It comes down to getting a town read on Vayne more than anything really. I'll be voting Casey as such. No point in putting a vote on Calgar that won't get through, better to get the few remaining town votes together on a lynch.
The other, crazier, theory would be Vayne sitting as the mafia mastermind, plotting around our silly first game antics. I do think he is the best player here. Even so it'd be pretty impressive if he, you know, picked a fellow mafia day 1 (Targe) voted for him but gave no reason. It'd be a risk but we were stumbling about at the time and Vayne is an active fellow, he could probably have rectified the situation if it came to that. He keeps pushing the issue while not overriding any other more popular lynches, until eventually Targe is shot and we have a renewed trust for Vayne. The two modkills would be like an incredibly lucky break for him though, not one that could have been calculated and without them Targe would have been a huge sacrifice. Although as a mafia, who now has everyone's trust he could turn to the remaining town without much suspicion. He'd have to build a pretty convincing argument for Spicy so I'm the better target. I wonder...
No matter what happens now I am definitely interested in seeing who turns scum.
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lols wrong thread. that is a decent theory but I did give a 2 part analysis on why Targe was scum, the first night kill helping a lot with my confirmation.
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Wow, we are all gonna agree on this vote. That sucks, town can't really survive another bad lynch while I guess mafia is in a less fickle situation? Still, the fact that whoever is mafia is completely willing to jump on Casey says something. At this point though I guess it's better than not doing so, Casey would get lynched anyway and then the lone scum would be pretty exposed.
Yea I don't actually think you are the Godfather Vayne, although it'd line up with you claiming regular town (as a godfather would turn up as one in an investigation), just think it'd be an awesome plot twist.
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It is more about spicy being confirmed town at this point, confirmed town usually leads lynch and mafia or not you pretty much just have to suck it up and vote with him or look insanely suspicious lol
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![[image loading]](http://heydoyouremember.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/crookbig.jpg) Night Three
The town was becoming tired. Both Geript and phagga could feel how close the end of the elections and the ascension to the ultimate power in Breakfaston was. The citizens were weary and tired having seen too many of their compatriots eaten. The Rusty Iron Spoon of Vengeance continued to clang wanting to reinforce itself with calcium, vitamins and minerals. The faithful stragglers who were left drug themselves yet again to the center of town. One more time they pointed fingers while getting their own wooden spoons ready. Finally, they decided to sacrifice eSpi.Casey as the next set of the feast.
eSpi.Casey the Mafia Cookie Crisp (1-shot Roleblocker) has been lynched.
You have 24 hours to submit night actions.
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god this lylo is going to be impossible. Got the 2 obvious mafia out of the way and I cant get a single clear read between calgar's and sugarfluff's filter. Multiple scumtells from both of them but they cant both be mafia. Spicy's opinion is that its sugarfluff and I am honestly stumped.
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Going to recheck filters tonight before i die. Still think its sugar but ill write something up in morning
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when you get back let me know what you think of this post
On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Analysis time,
jrkirby:
Your posts are kind of meh, you have your 'Casey, shirokami, nobody' post which is ok, but I can't see how you put shirokami as scum, he's certainly not got the best filter but he isn't giving of major mafia vibes. The entire idea of this post seems to be that you think they are distancing themselves from each other yet you seem to ignore the possibility that they are actually three separate players, not a team.
All your other posts are very short, generally 1 or 2 liners, not good. You're coming off as one of the more scummy ones here.
nobodywonder:
Your filter is better, you post actively and aren't afraid to question people and put forward arguments, although you did get a little erratic at times.
Not much more to say, I have a null read on you at the moment.
VayneAuthority:
Well, you're getting a lot of heat for doing shit like not explaining reasons and going for a no lynch, which was just a bad idea. Your post history isn't the best but I think you're just some strange town that does things his own way, I I'll hold out until day 2 when you may give us some information.
Seriously, you need to speak up.
shiromaki:
man, you lurked way to much d1, when you came in you started some talking which is good but it still wasn't really close to what I was expecting to hear, still holding judgement but at the moment you just look like some scummy town.
Sugarfluff:
Your filter is really not very good, you really don't have many posts at all, the majority of them were concerning Vayne, which is a common topic and a relatively easy way of getting out of lurking without posting too much original content. Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
SpicyDinosaur:
You posted some bland stuff at the beginning about lurkers, like quite a few of us, then you focus on me because I vote Jarjar when trying to get him to post and that is about the basis of your argument. More stuff on vayne, blah blah, then we get to your replies to Hydra's post, Hydra to me had one of the best analysis posts yet and you slam it, saying it's off the rails completely, he put some excellent points into his analysis of you and I agree with him, you come off as scummy under analysis.
I'll do some more of you guys when I get the chance, I only have a short time in which I can write lengthier posts like this as I'm relatively busy.
Maybe he didnt realize what this would look like at this point in the game? look at the two people missing off this list...
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Nice job nailing the second scum guys. I think we've managed to turn this one around and now we just need to see it out to the finish.
@vayne
On May 12 2013 12:25 VayneAuthority wrote:when you get back let me know what you think of this post Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Analysis time,
jrkirby:
Your posts are kind of meh, you have your 'Casey, shirokami, nobody' post which is ok, but I can't see how you put shirokami as scum, he's certainly not got the best filter but he isn't giving of major mafia vibes. The entire idea of this post seems to be that you think they are distancing themselves from each other yet you seem to ignore the possibility that they are actually three separate players, not a team.
All your other posts are very short, generally 1 or 2 liners, not good. You're coming off as one of the more scummy ones here.
nobodywonder:
Your filter is better, you post actively and aren't afraid to question people and put forward arguments, although you did get a little erratic at times.
Not much more to say, I have a null read on you at the moment.
VayneAuthority:
Well, you're getting a lot of heat for doing shit like not explaining reasons and going for a no lynch, which was just a bad idea. Your post history isn't the best but I think you're just some strange town that does things his own way, I I'll hold out until day 2 when you may give us some information.
Seriously, you need to speak up.
shiromaki:
man, you lurked way to much d1, when you came in you started some talking which is good but it still wasn't really close to what I was expecting to hear, still holding judgement but at the moment you just look like some scummy town.
Sugarfluff:
Your filter is really not very good, you really don't have many posts at all, the majority of them were concerning Vayne, which is a common topic and a relatively easy way of getting out of lurking without posting too much original content. Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
SpicyDinosaur:
You posted some bland stuff at the beginning about lurkers, like quite a few of us, then you focus on me because I vote Jarjar when trying to get him to post and that is about the basis of your argument. More stuff on vayne, blah blah, then we get to your replies to Hydra's post, Hydra to me had one of the best analysis posts yet and you slam it, saying it's off the rails completely, he put some excellent points into his analysis of you and I agree with him, you come off as scummy under analysis.
I'll do some more of you guys when I get the chance, I only have a short time in which I can write lengthier posts like this as I'm relatively busy. Maybe he didnt realize what this would look like at this point in the game? look at the two people missing off this list... That's an interesting suggestion vayne, but there's actually 5 players missing off the list. I'm not really sure why he included the people to analyze that he did while leaving out me, casey, hydra, jarjar (then dead), and jampi (then alive but set to be lynched). I don't think it's very good evidence, though, or strongly indicative of who his scum buddies are.
As scum he knows his posts are going to be analyzed if/when he dies so what he writes he knows will be examined and cross-examined. This ends up in a WIFOM situation where you can run in endless circles. Maybe he didn't feel comfortable giving analysis on any other scum member, but maybe he decided to give analysis on one but not both.
Would scum feel more comfortable writing a post that ignores their buddies knowing it might be read when they die, or mentioning them all and potentially attracting attention to them, or mentioning only 1 other? Who's to say really? I don't really know, but I certainly don't think this is a reason to not lynch sugarfluff.
I think his read on sugar is interesting as well - noncommital, vaguely critical, lacking mention/accusation of being scummy, and then a general question to 'promote' discussion. It's the kind of thing scum can point back to and say "look, I was on his case the whole time" if their buddy flips red. He could use that to try and clear himself of scummyness later on.
the last scum
In regards to sugarfluff, specifically, I find his recent post scummy. I've included some analysis with previous quotes from his filter spliced in where relevant.
On May 12 2013 08:24 Sugarfluff wrote:
So yea, I lost interested in the game after the modkills and everything. I apologize, should not have just gone inactive like that. Certainly plausible but a good excuse to give for your mega-lurking. I find that interesting considering what you said earlier:
On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:
AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Despite what you say about looking forward here, you go on to be a key reason activity decreases. I think one reason you might have felt the need to lurk is that your "big case" you tried to push on me and jrkirby didn't go anywhere. Since no one bought into it, if you kept pushing them it would be obvious you were fabricating a case, and if you backed up and changed reads then you would look scummy as well for being unsure/noncommittal/trying to spread suspicion everywhere.
On the subject of role-claiming, I'm vanilla town. Out of the remaining players not many could be town. No one seems to be disputing Spicy being the one that shot Targe, so that pretty much makes him town. Which means out of Casey, Calgar and Vayne only one can be town.
So the lynches. Calgar and Casey (and me) voted for Shirokami and got him lynched, while Vayne was set on Targe (as he had been from the beginning).
Calgar voted for me day 1, Vayne voted for Targe. And me and Casey voted for JarJar.
Not very useful on their own actually, Vayne was the only one on the correct guy. I still stand by the votes I cast, I thought Jarjar was suspicious and Shirokami was a worthwhile lynch anyhow. I do believe Vayne is town at this point, which means that Calgar and Casey are scum. It comes down to getting a town read on Vayne more than anything really. I'll be voting Casey as such. No point in putting a vote on Calgar that won't get through, better to get the few remaining town votes together on a lynch. It seems useful to me on their own, actually. I think it's useful because to me, the difference is that you poorly justified your decision to lynch shirokami and have hidden your reads throughout the game. In your initial batch of posts which you have admitted wasn't very good, you put up a vague accusation on vayne.
You then make one of your only posts with legitimate content (spoilered for reference), the one about me and jrkirby having a plan where he would lurk at the beggining, I would post but ignore him, and somehow because I commented on other lurkers but not him we're a scumteam?
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote:Allright, so I went through the thread again and I'm gonna give my impressions of people I think are scum and others. So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies. Kirby does very little in the beginning, suspiciously so if you ask me. This doesn't say much, however, since most posts at the very beginning are short and without a lot of content. But he doesn't try and start any discussions and gives short answers. He does make a good post a bit later on were he points his suspicions on nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami. Show nested quote +Lucky for them, they so far have no votes on the entire team. Scum will attempt to distance themselves from each other, but will hate to risk one of them dying on the first day. Now I found this bit interesting, because I do believe that mafia could play like that, distancing themselves that is, but also if kirby does believe that wouldn't he play mafia that way? As it happens he and Calgar pretty much avoided each other completely in the beginning, not so weird for kirby since he barely did anything but it is weird for Calgar. Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange. They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions. On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason. Vayne is definitely acting suspiciously, but he is quite active and not afraid answering questions (except for the "I'm not gonna tell yet" incident.) At this point I'd say he's more SK than town, and more town than mafia. But nothing conclusive. JampiDampi is town, according to me. Probably the person who has done most to get discussions going, and asking for more research material (vaynes previous games). I feel fairly confident in my read of Jampi being town. Nobodywonder doesn't seem quite town to me, but I feel kirby and Calgar are much stronger suspects. And nobody does ask some questions and try for some discussion. If it would turn out that kirby/calgar can't be mafia nobody would probably be next on my list. As it stands kirbys suspicion (as I believe he is mafia) would make me think nobody is town for now. Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon. As it is I really don't know who kirby an calgar's third man would be, anyone got any ideas? Think I'm totally off? Let's make the most of the wrong lynch right now so we are well prepared for day 2.
I've already expressed my concern about the faulty logic and jumping to conclusions based off of a purely by chance lack of interaction early in the thread that you use with this case.
Another thing is the fact that he barely ever mentions people he votes for specifically shirokami and casey. His first mention is quite brief:
On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote:
Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon.
He doesn't give another opinion on either until directly prompted when I bring them up to him as a counter-argument to point out he's been ignoring them.
On May 08 2013 19:56 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 08:37 calgar wrote:On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). As far as I'm concerned, shirokami's filter is the one that is frekishly devoid of actual content right now. Why aren't you more concerned about him as a lurker than jrkirby? shiro has given vague excuses and one read all game, way less than kirby has done. If I had briefly mentioned kirby initially instead of shiro, would you be suspicious of us two instead? As far as me "completely skip"ing kirby, you're just as guilty of completely skipping over casey and shiro. Casey hasn't been that bad, although I don't have townread on him either. Shiros filter is indeed a very sad thing, and his continued delays are getting more and more suspicious. But people were already pointing out his lurking and voicing suspicions about it. I wanted to hear kirby speak up, and I wanted to see how you'd react. Quite frankly I thought you reacted poorly, but reading through my posts I realized that I never outright asked you, what do you think of kirby? You still have not given an opinion on him.
I found his two posts before lynching shirokami to be disturbing.
On May 09 2013 08:17 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:35 calgar wrote:
Well kirby has been gone for basically 2 days now so he's basically lurking as hard as shiro is, except he was more useful before and had a decent post speculating on a team. I think I read town because I understand how he was bothered by the late bandwagon switch. Switching to no lynch was a weird way to go about it but I think the meta from their previous games may have affected his views in a way which looks odd to us. Having said that, I don't really understand why he has disappeared for so long and I don't really see scum disappearing for 2 straight days, though who knows with WIFOM and all. So I'll say slight town but very confused as to why he has vanished.
All right, fair enough. As of this moment we have a lot of people failing to contribute; shirokami keeps delaying, kirby has been missing a long time, and nobody has been gone pretty much just as long. Obviously some of these lurkers are town, which makes lynching a lurker not that pretty of a prospect, unless other reasons are brought up for voting them. Hope any or all of you guys do post before the day ends.
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On May 09 2013 09:55 Sugarfluff wrote:
I'll put my vote on shirokami, I am more confident in his scummy-ness than Targes and at this rate kirby is bound to be modkilled when he doesn't vote.
It was definitely troubling that shiro kept delaying. You admit that some of them are obviously town and throw in a "hope you guys post more!" right before you disappear for DAYS! You admit that they might be town but then you're willing to vote him because you're more confident of his scummyness, even though you barely mention him in the thread and don't analyze him at all? What?! I see no towny play here, no initiative, no desire to scumhunt or push your reads. You pop in, throw your vote on the guy who has a lot of votes, and leave.
The other, crazier, theory would be Vayne sitting as the mafia mastermind, plotting around our silly first game antics. I do think he is the best player here. Even so it'd be pretty impressive if he, you know, picked a fellow mafia day 1 (Targe) voted for him but gave no reason. It'd be a risk but we were stumbling about at the time and Vayne is an active fellow, he could probably have rectified the situation if it came to that. He keeps pushing the issue while not overriding any other more popular lynches, until eventually Targe is shot and we have a renewed trust for Vayne. The two modkills would be like an incredibly lucky break for him though, not one that could have been calculated and without them Targe would have been a huge sacrifice. Although as a mafia, who now has everyone's trust he could turn to the remaining town without much suspicion. He'd have to build a pretty convincing argument for Spicy so I'm the better target. I wonder...
No matter what happens now I am definitely interested in seeing who turns scum. What are you trying to accomplish with this paragraph? It seems that literally you are trying to suggest vayne may be the last scum, even though you just accused me (with no reasoning, no less). Everyone considers vayne to be solidly town so you have to qualify your suspicion with weakening phrases like "crazy", "i wonder..". I don't think you're going to be able to mislynch him here by making up this farfetched theory about how he is really a mastermind puppeteer running circles around everyone with flawless play.
@spicy
Since you're likely dead soon make sure to leave us all of your final reads.
That took a very long time to write so I'll be back tonight to see your thoughts.
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I believe the final scum is sugarfluff. Both sugar and calgar have some scummy stuff in their filter, however I feel Calgar's filter reads more town. .
Calgar has asked a lot of questions, gave a heck of a lot more analysis, and responded to accusations. His filter reads mostly that he has tunneled sugar from the start. While this isn't completely an ideal town way to play, I don't find it as bad as sugar's.
looking at the voting: Targe, Sugar, Casey all voted the same both days. Calgar on the other hand voted Sugar day 1 and shiro day 2. The problem with day 2 is that shiro was such a shitty player that it was hard not to vote for him.
Calgar's filter also covers analysis more of other players than sugar's. On may 8th, Calgar even suspects that targe or casey may be scum but expresses hesitance because he just doesn't know.
Sugar on the other hand seems like he defend's casey here:
On May 08 2013 19:56 Sugarfluff wrote:
Casey hasn't been that bad, although I don't have townread on him either. Shiros filter is indeed a very sad thing, and his continued delays are getting more and more suspicious. But people were already pointing out his lurking and voicing suspicions about it. I wanted to hear kirby speak up, and I wanted to see how you'd react. Quite frankly I thought you reacted poorly, but reading through my posts I realized that I never outright asked you, what do you think of kirby? You still have not given an opinion on him.
This post is also quite troubling as it reads like town is making a mistake. It really reads like us lynching casey is a bad lynch. He then says the last scum will be pretty exposed without really explaining why. This just feels completely off to me.
On May 12 2013 09:23 Sugarfluff wrote:
Wow, we are all gonna agree on this vote. That sucks, town can't really survive another bad lynch while I guess mafia is in a less fickle situation? Still, the fact that whoever is mafia is completely willing to jump on Casey says something. At this point though I guess it's better than not doing so, Casey would get lynched anyway and then the lone scum would be pretty exposed.
Yea I don't actually think you are the Godfather Vayne, although it'd line up with you claiming regular town (as a godfather would turn up as one in an investigation), just think it'd be an awesome plot twist.
@vayne, I looked through Targe's filter again and he rarely talks about Calgar and Sugarfluff. he only gives a small analysis of sugar early and thats it. Calgar and targe seem to have a small bit of dialog but not much. Also went through casey's filter and he doesn't talk to either Calgar or Sugar at all.
The one thing that does look interesting is when Calgar says that casey and targe could be scum, yet neither one of them respond to it, just ignore it.
On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote:
@casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads.
I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him.
Sugarfluff has put more accusations against townies and has gotten them killed while Calgar has had suspicions of a few and a couple of them turned out to be scum.
As such I believe Sugarfluff is the last scum.
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sugarfluff should in reality be the last scum, but I keep coming back to calgar's defense of targe and espi.casey early as well as my earlier statement that mafia usually like to do a 2/3rd lynch, meaning they place 2 on the bandwagon and 1 on some other random vote, which calgar fits the bill for perfectly. I could be overanalyzing this since its just newbie mafia but I really can't see any clear distinction between the two players that makes me want to vote for one over the other
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Other things that strike me as odd going through calgar's filter is defending casey/targe but then not too long later declaring them as part of the scumteam. seems real weird to me.
Another more narcissistic fact is that he constantly displays his disdain for my play and how bad it is, and this was how I figured out that targe was mafia. Constantly saying how great jampi was and then he dies night 1. I really can't think of any reason that I have survived this long when I have been this active other than the mafia thinking I am a shit player. There's a lot of info I think you are passing up on in calgar's filter spicy so I wonder what you think about this stuff
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On May 13 2013 01:33 Spicydinosaur wrote: Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 19:56 Sugarfluff wrote:
Casey hasn't been that bad, although I don't have townread on him either. Shiros filter is indeed a very sad thing, and his continued delays are getting more and more suspicious. But people were already pointing out his lurking and voicing suspicions about it. I wanted to hear kirby speak up, and I wanted to see how you'd react. Quite frankly I thought you reacted poorly, but reading through my posts I realized that I never outright asked you, what do you think of kirby? You still have not given an opinion on him.
This post is also quite troubling as it reads like town is making a mistake. It really reads like us lynching casey is a bad lynch. He then says the last scum will be pretty exposed without really explaining why. This just feels completely off to me.
It doesn't read like that at all, I merely expressed a small regret of the situation. I really need to explain why the last scum would be exposed? Anyone breaking off of the casey lynch would accomplish nothing and grab tons of unwanted attention.
Sugarfluff has put more accusations against townies and has gotten them killed while Calgar has had suspicions of a few and a couple of them turned out to be scum.
As such I believe Sugarfluff is the last scum.
True, my vote has always been on the one being lynched, although I hardly find it strange. You yourself said voting for shirokami can't exactly say much. I was the person to start voting for JarJar, had no idea he'd actually be lynched, but he did seem scummy to me. And casey was the obvious vote for the last lynch.
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On May 13 2013 00:53 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:
AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Despite what you say about looking forward here, you go on to be a key reason activity decreases. I think one reason you might have felt the need to lurk is that your "big case" you tried to push on me and jrkirby didn't go anywhere. Since no one bought into it, if you kept pushing them it would be obvious you were fabricating a case, and if you backed up and changed reads then you would look scummy as well for being unsure/noncommittal/trying to spread suspicion everywhere.
Ok seriously, I am the main reason activity decreased? Not even close, it's just stupid and slightly insulting.
Of course I said I was looking forward to the game when flowcaster was replaced. But then nobody and jrkirby followed in his footsteps. They are the "mega-lurkers", not me.
Of course the case didn't go anywhere, it was based mostly on Jrkirbys bad play and your weird interaction with him and your refusal to try and save JarJar even though you thought Targe was scummier; instead you kept your vote on me, that's pretty non committal if you ask me.
Dude you weren't free of suspicion before I proposed you as scum. JarJar pegged you early.
jrkirby and Calgar. One of these guys is scum. There's always a scummy soft defending a townie before he gets lynched. I really hate Calgars scum reads so far but kirby changing to no lynch when there was a chance I could be saved (remember he said he read me as town) was pretty bad. If I had to guess I'd lean toward Calgar being the scummy, especially if I'm right about Targe.
It seems useful to me on their own, actually. I think it's useful because to me, the difference is that you poorly justified your decision to lynch shirokami and have hidden your reads throughout the game. In your initial batch of posts which you have admitted wasn't very good, you put up a vague accusation on vayne.
Wow, now you are really just grasping. My reason for voting shirokami is poorly justified? That's just crazy, and you were on him from the start. Also it was me that pointed out that jrkirby and nobody would be modkilled. If I was mafia I could have been scott free voting for kirby and letting that bit of insight just slide by.
You then make one of your only posts with legitimate content (spoilered for reference), the one about me and jrkirby having a plan where he would lurk at the beggining, I would post but ignore him, and somehow because I commented on other lurkers but not him we're a scumteam?
I've already expressed my concern about the faulty logic and jumping to conclusions based off of a purely by chance lack of interaction early in the thread that you use with this case.
The logic was not off, your lack of interaction was ONE reason I found that suspicious. Your initial reaction when you did take notice of such a lurker was weird as well, along with the conversation you had with kirby about whether to save Jarjar or not.
Another thing is the fact that he barely ever mentions people he votes for specifically shirokami and casey. His first mention is quite brief:
I found his two posts before lynching shirokami to be disturbing.
It was definitely troubling that shiro kept delaying. You admit that some of them are obviously town and throw in a "hope you guys post more!" right before you disappear for DAYS! You admit that they might be town but then you're willing to vote him because you're more confident of his scummyness, even though you barely mention him in the thread and don't analyze him at all? What?! I see no towny play here, no initiative, no desire to scumhunt or push your reads. You pop in, throw your vote on the guy who has a lot of votes, and leave.
I was quite perplexed by this, until I realized that as scum it's your job to convince everyone else I'm scum. So I guess I just need to poke the obvious holes in this to make sure its not misinterpreted.
I scumhunted. Mostly kirby as it happens. The fact that I switched from kirby is made perfectly clear (he was gonna be modkilled and any vote for him was a waste) and was most definitely the right decision to make. I pushed my reads on you plenty, I have been committed. You get all this non committal crap from a few posts day one where very few people where posting well at all.
The other, crazier, theory would be Vayne sitting as the mafia mastermind, plotting around our silly first game antics. I do think he is the best player here. Even so it'd be pretty impressive if he, you know, picked a fellow mafia day 1 (Targe) voted for him but gave no reason. It'd be a risk but we were stumbling about at the time and Vayne is an active fellow, he could probably have rectified the situation if it came to that. He keeps pushing the issue while not overriding any other more popular lynches, until eventually Targe is shot and we have a renewed trust for Vayne. The two modkills would be like an incredibly lucky break for him though, not one that could have been calculated and without them Targe would have been a huge sacrifice. Although as a mafia, who now has everyone's trust he could turn to the remaining town without much suspicion. He'd have to build a pretty convincing argument for Spicy so I'm the better target. I wonder...
No matter what happens now I am definitely interested in seeing who turns scum.
What are you trying to accomplish with this paragraph? It seems that literally you are trying to suggest vayne may be the last scum, even though you just accused me (with no reasoning, no less). Everyone considers vayne to be solidly town so you have to qualify your suspicion with weakening phrases like "crazy", "i wonder..". I don't think you're going to be able to mislynch him here by making up this farfetched theory about how he is really a mastermind puppeteer running circles around everyone with flawless play.
I was just crazy theorizing, you are reading way more into it. Meant nothing by it and wanted to accomplish nothing. Just a moment of wild speculation as the game is drawing to an end, for no other reason than to be able to say, if Vayne did flip scum, ha! called it. I sort of get the other stuff, the fact that you are trying to make this paragraph into something sinister is just silly.
@spicy
Since you're likely dead soon make sure to leave us all of your final reads.
That took a very long time to write so I'll be back tonight to see your thoughts.
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On May 13 2013 04:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
Other things that strike me as odd going through calgar's filter is defending casey/targe but then not too long later declaring them as part of the scumteam. seems real weird to me.
Another more narcissistic fact is that he constantly displays his disdain for my play and how bad it is, and this was how I figured out that targe was mafia. Constantly saying how great jampi was and then he dies night 1. I really can't think of any reason that I have survived this long when I have been this active other than the mafia thinking I am a shit player. There's a lot of info I think you are passing up on in calgar's filter spicy so I wonder what you think about this stuff You seem to be using emotion (narcissism, disdain, perception of you as a shitty player) more than reason right now; I'd like to caution on that. Mafia wins by playing off emotion (like flattery) whereas town wins by using logic.
I definitely wasn't right from the very get-go on my reads but I don't think I defended casey/targe like you say.
Are we looking at the same filter in regards to jampi? I called him great constantly you say, but to me it looks like the only time I mention him directly is here:
On May 07 2013 03:05 calgar wrote:
@jampi - I see you asking a lot of questions of other people but I'm not as clear on your reads. You've said there are a lot of scummy people running around so who's bugging you the most? How does this equate to me calling him great?
As for my "disdain for your play", I feel that you're exaggerating here. Despite reading you town, I think you've done scummy things during the game. I've stated specific reasons as to why I feel that way. That's all, nothing more and nothing less. Will you explain how my criticism of your play lead you to figure out targe was mafia like you say - I'm completely lost on that point.
As for surviving this long - mafia have only killed 2 players and there should have been another two town alive. Activity isn't always a reason to kill someone, there's lots of others like who they are pressuring, desire to continue/end certain lines of thinking, trying to orchestrate future mislynches, etc. I don't think it's a solid deduction to assume the reason you're alive is because they think you're a shit player.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
![[image loading]](http://rufiojones.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/count_chocula.gif) Day Four
Spicy Dinosaur as Count Chocula (Town Vigilante) has been killed.
You have 48 hours to decide the next lynch.
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GG All. Hope to see some of you in future games.
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Alright, we kind of knew that was coming.
I think sugarfluff is the remaining scum and as such I'll be voting for him.
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well regardless of my suspicions not gonna bother going against spicy and losing, hopefully im just reading too much into this game. Looked over the voting records again and realistically in a newbie game sugarfluff is the 3rd mafia.
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VOTE COUNT:
Sugarfluff (2) calgar, VayneAuthority
Not Voting: Sugarfluff
Breakfast is in ~ 40 hours. Voting is mandatory.
Currently Sugarfluff is set to be Kix'd into submission!
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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kitaman27
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8.5 hours remain in the cycle
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
I've randomly spiked one of your popcorns! Stay tuned for the night post to find out who!
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Ha I ate my popcorn after you spiked it, I'm safe.
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On May 15 2013 04:57 Targe wrote:Ha I ate my popcorn after you spiked it, I'm safe.
Not out of my reach... And you thought it was extra butter
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Spiked as is getting drunk or spiked as in date rape?
Because I'm down for both.
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doesnt look like it would have mattered if calgar is the mafia anyway, seems sugarfluff is mia. I still think calgar is the last mafia! either way fun game all.
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On May 15 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
doesnt look like it would have mattered if calgar is the mafia anyway, seems sugarfluff is mia. I still think calgar is the last mafia! either way fun game all.
I was pretty confident in Calgar too, but he has been so inflexible. You have kept yourself more open, I think, to be able to vote for whoever suited you. Calgar was also the first to vote for Casey, he did not actually follow spicy. With all the suspicions going around it wouldn't have been weird at all for him to vote for me, argue for it, and potentially switch if spicy didn't agree. Why take the risk of eliminating your comrade when the suspicion could so easily be turned, right? Vayne, you did mention that you found me scummier but didn't go through with it when shit started rolling down on Casey.
Just based on the last posts I have concluded that Vayne ought to be the scum. As such I am voting for him. Let's hope I'm right, so that I get to say: I was right.
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MERP!
gg
thanks to marvellosity for answering all my questions!
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
![[image loading]](http://ronnyis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/corn_pops.gif) Endgame
The last day of elections drew to a close. Phagga firmly grasped the Rusty spoon of vengeance. He sat down at the table in the center of town and began to eat. At first he began dining off of his opponent's plate eating the whole Boston Kreme Doughnut the he ripped open Sugarfluff aka Honeycomb the vanilla townie, covered him in the Creamy Milk of Justice and ate him on spoonful at a time.
Sugarfluff the vanilla townie has been lynched.
VayneAuthority the vanilla townie has been end-gamed.
Aquanim has been randomly poisoned.
Calgar the mafia goon has survived.
Mafia vicotry!
Congrats to eSpi.Casey, Calgar, and Targe!
Thanks to everyone for playing!
Special thanks to geript and phagga for hosting and kush4sta, goodkarma, Adam4167, Mr. Cheesecake and marvellosity for coaching!
Links:
Google Doc
Obs QT
Mafia QT
Geript has offered to write up a short summary tonight.
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figured as much, gg all. knew I had him pegged when I found that post.
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mod kills are op need nerf
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Nailed two of three scum night one 
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Day 1 Points:
1. Your posts should be one of the following: A--substance, B--pressuring players to create information, C--disrupting the thread (if scum). "I'll post more later" does none of the above and just shouldn't be done. Just don't do it. It's fine IMO to make a small post saying that you'll be out of action for the first half of the day, but only to let people know. Such posts shouldn't be treated as content and people shouldn't try to defend themselves with their IRL schedule. Going over who's going to come back or hasn't or isn't etc. is a complete waste of time. It's fine to pressure lurkers for lurking and lynch them if they refuse to contribute, but focusing on how much presence a lurker has or doesn't have is a waste of time and energy.
2. Vote counts are important. + Show Spoiler +DAY ONE FINAL VOTE COUNT: Sugarfluff (1) nobodywonder, jampidampi, calgarFlowcaster (0) Targe, SpicyDinosaur, eSpi.CaseyVayneAuthority (1) nobodywonder, shirokamiTarge (3) VayneAuthority, JarJarDrinks, Spicydinosaur, jrkirbyJarJarDrinks (5) Sugarfluff, Targe, jampidampi, nobodywonder, eSpi.Caseyjampidampi (0) JarJarDrinksnobodywonder (0) jrkirbyNo Lynch (1) jrkirbyNot Voting (1): FloWcaster
3. When a townie dies, you should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS go back and read their filter. Read who they suspect, read who they thought was town, etc. Don't follow them blindly, but it's information that you know you can trust source as being honest. JJD's end of day post was for the most part ignored and somehow Targe got off on D2.
4. Activity. As town, you should always be forcing people to be active. You should always be pressuring players. D1 was about 8 pages long; you should IMO aim to pressure players to produce 1 page of filter per day/night cycle. The fact that there were only 8 pages produced in 24 hours is exceptionally bad for town because it's such a dearth of information to draw conclusion from. You need to be active as both town and scum, but town really needed to force more activity.
Day 2 stuff:
1. Jampi was a solid NK he was active and obv town; good hit. Town should have followed up on his reads more and didn't.
2. Again very low activity on the whole. You need to pressure players.
3. Vote count stuff. + Show Spoiler + The important thing here is look at the list:
JarJarDrinks (5) Sugarfluff, Targe, jampidampi, nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey
shirokami (5) calgar, Targe, sugarfluff, eSpi.Casey, shirokami
The lists share 3 names: Sugar, Targe and eSpi. Between the vote count AND their action in the thread, these guys should be the center of attention for the next cycle. The real problem is that these guys have slid by completely to this point so by not forcing them to be active, then you can't nail them to the wall.
TL;DR
Be active and try to produce a least 1 page of filter minimum per day/night cycle
Have a clear reasoning for everything you post.
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I feel I have to say I'm sorry. My personal life got unexpectedly busy, and it took a higher priority than mafia. I wish I had had the time like I expected, but I did not. I understand this was a shitty thing to do, as I kinda ruined a game for 11 other people. This was entirely my fault. As role cop I might have been able to turn this around, but I didn't, and I apologize. Not much more I can say.
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