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@jrkirby, strikes me as a townie. Early on he gave his scumteam vote.
On May 06 2013 07:39 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, after rading all the filters and all the thread I have made my guess: A scumteam of nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami......
While I didn't particularly agree with some of his points, like when he accused nobody of wanting everyone to BW, he at least explained his rationale and reasoning. My only real issue with him is the last second vote switch at the end from targe to no lynch. Reading from his history it seemed that he never got a good read on targe and lacked confidence in his vote for him. Or possible he saw the votes were getting high on targe and he was worried people would jump off of jarjar and go to targe. I think its more of the former than the later.
I would like to see his updated impressions on players, myself included.
@calgar, it seemed D1 that you mostly tunneled sugarfluff. You did a good job of calling him out on his noncommittal stance and asked a lot of questions that he still hasn't answered. Overall I get a null-town read. I would like to see his thoughts on who he really thinks is scum on D2 and his general views on the others.
On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - I don't like your posting very much so far. I understand the votes on you were a random bandwagon to try and prompt activity and what's come forth hasn't seemed very useful. I don't see you doing any hunting right now.
What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does.
@sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum.
My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below:
On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8.
The only true meaty post that he wrote is this:
On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote:Allright, so I went through the thread again and I'm gonna give my impressions of people I think are scum and others. So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies. Kirby does very little in the beginning, suspiciously so if you ask me. This doesn't say much, however, since most posts at the very beginning are short and without a lot of content. But he doesn't try and start any discussions and gives short answers. He does make a good post a bit later on were he points his suspicions on nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami. Show nested quote +Lucky for them, they so far have no votes on the entire team. Scum will attempt to distance themselves from each other, but will hate to risk one of them dying on the first day. Now I found this bit interesting, because I do believe that mafia could play like that, distancing themselves that is, but also if kirby does believe that wouldn't he play mafia that way? As it happens he and Calgar pretty much avoided each other completely in the beginning, not so weird for kirby since he barely did anything but it is weird for Calgar. Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange. They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions. On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason. Vayne is definitely acting suspiciously, but he is quite active and not afraid answering questions (except for the "I'm not gonna tell yet" incident.) At this point I'd say he's more SK than town, and more town than mafia. But nothing conclusive. JampiDampi is town, according to me. Probably the person who has done most to get discussions going, and asking for more research material (vaynes previous games). I feel fairly confident in my read of Jampi being town. Nobodywonder doesn't seem quite town to me, but I feel kirby and Calgar are much stronger suspects. And nobody does ask some questions and try for some discussion. If it would turn out that kirby/calgar can't be mafia nobody would probably be next on my list. As it stands kirbys suspicion (as I believe he is mafia) would make me think nobody is town for now. Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon. As it is I really don't know who kirby an calgar's third man would be, anyone got any ideas? Think I'm totally off? Let's make the most of the wrong lynch right now so we are well prepared for day 2.
He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts.
I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it.
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On May 08 2013 00:02 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Suppose a vanilla townie gets targeted by roleblocker, does the VT get notified?
Players who are roleblocked will always be notified regardless of their actual role.
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On May 08 2013 00:13 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Well that was quick. Vayne stop lurking and only posting when you're PR fishing, it makes me change my mind about you.
I was unaware of the rule that was just brought to light, I thought only PR roles would be notified of roleblocks. Such a weird ruling leads me to believe shirokuma is town but I suppose we will have to find out. now on to the second part of my analysis of targe...
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Second part Analysis of Targe
So, tonight the mafia killed somebody that pretty much nobody expected of being mafia which was interesting and raises some questions. Which of the 2 of Sugarfluff, targe, nobodywonder, and espi.casey is scum? which of Me, calgar, shirokami, and spicydinosaur is scum? If I had to guess this would be the distribution the mafia went with, 2 on the townie lynch and one in no man's land.
Jampi suspected both Targe and Espi.casey before he died, so we have to wonder if this a red herring or are these 2 really mafia? it's hard to tell. Targe was on the Jarjar lynch since the beginning, while espi jumped to it last second. This could be Targe being a sneaky mafia and carefully leading a wrong lynch, or it simply could be a townie that got a wrong read.
Probably my biggest reason for suspecting Targe right now is that I like to pinpoint a certain player in the beginning and see how they react. Much like in courts, you'll see the psychological reaction of some one that did not commit a crime and is being tried unfairly be angry/upset, while those that have committed the crime tend to be more lax and unemotional.
This has served me well in previous mafia games, where mafia will tend to just kind of semi-ignore your accusations and be pretty friendly about it as Targe has been doing.
Another reason I have for suspecting him is that he is very adamant throughout about jampi being town, and then jampi shows up as dead the first night....this fixation did not go unnoticed and was the reason I needed to see the night killing before posting this.
For the above reasons, I will be voting either Targe or Espi.casey tonight.
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I see there is alot of scumread`s on me. I will be reading trough them now and give a good answear in an hour or so.
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I voted Jarjar cause i diddent have any strong scumread`s. I first putted my vote on Flowcaster cause he had note posted yet, and my scumread`s was not good enough, i diddent know that was a stupid thig to do, but Nobodywonder ``screamed at me to change the vote to someone else, i went with the flow as i said earlier my scumread`s were bad and i voted Jarjar
My only other suspect was Vayne, but i said i was willing to wait to D2 to see some scum/town read`s from him. ( If you did read my filter, you would see that i had problem`s deciding who to vote for, and that i did explain my reason )
As i said earlier, i had a hard time keeping up with the post`s, figuring out how the game work`s, so i spent alot of time reading guied`s F.A.Q. I maybe should have ob`s a game before i started playing, but i feel understand more now and can contribute more then i could in start.
I really dont know how too answear this in any other way, so if something still unclear, please let me know and i try to answear it as good as i can.
With that said, i would like to call out Jrkirby to answear for my previous question`s, and start posting again, its been a while since we have seen anything from him, is it only me who have noticed this ?
Jarjar claim`s to be town and he will prove this with fearless lynching and analysis. Right now he is lurking..
Jarjar vote`s Nobodywonder, then changes his vote to Targe, and in the very last he changes his vote to No lynch.
Im waiting for you`r answears Jrkirby
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@spicydinosaur - Here are some of my thoughts as asked for. I've liked some of your latest posts and I read you as potentially town right now.
@shirokami - I think shiro has flown under the radar for way too long now and a couple people have noticed but I'd like to draw more attention to his play. He stalled for a long time at the beginning of the game and promised a big analysis, and a very small post was what resulted:
On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote:
Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum.
Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention.
Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian.
@Calgar
Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun.
@everyone
Feel free to ask anything. Really, this is all you have to say after you claim loving to go through filters and implying you're going to do a ton of analysis? You've made the most one-liners by far and have only given one read for the entire game, which was on vayne being scummy. I think you're a contender for having contributed the least as far as content goes and I don't like that you've gone back to very short, vague, contentless posts since your 'big analysis'.
Where are your reads? When have scum hunted? It doesn't seem like you're contributing at all to the thread.
@targe - You had good logic D1 in advising against the policy lynch and hydra has been much more active than the last guy. I'm looking forward to seeing your promised response and I'll sheep vayne in saying that it is scummy that you mention jamp being town and regretting the lynch.
@sugarfluff - I guess it's fair to say I've tunneled you but you really haven't given me any reason to stop. Part of the reason I have been is to prompt you to talk more. Instead you've ignored my questions to date and that adds to my feeling of unease about you.
I also really dislike your case for some of the same reasons spicydinosaur does. It seems like you've made a lot of stretches and built it on poor premises. You've factored prominently a connection (or lack therof) between me and kirby, but I fail to see the relevance here. You mention that we haven't really interacted, but naturally I'm not going to be able to interact with everyone substantially or at all in the first few days. I haven't really had much to say to several other players such as spicy and shirokami - why no case built between us then? Even if we were both mafia, we might decide to interact a whole lot.
You've imagined this master plan that we have where we plan when to interact and that just doesn't make any sense to me - you can build a 'case' on anyone based on this strategy.
So yeah, give me a reason to back off and I will. Until then I really don't like your play at all, and I'm surprised more people haven't been on your case for it. Are you ever going to respond to my questions?
@nobody - You've been quite active and shown good logic so far. I'm feeling town on you although I didn't like your "fuck bad lynch" and "i'm lost now" posts as a reaction to the lynch. They seemed overly emotional/a little fake but whatever, maybe that's just me.
@casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads.
I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him.
On May 08 2013 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
Jampi suspected both Targe and Espi.casey before he died, so we have to wonder if this a red herring or are these 2 really mafia? it's hard to tell. Targe was on the Jarjar lynch since the beginning, while espi jumped to it last second. This could be Targe being a sneaky mafia and carefully leading a wrong lynch, or it simply could be a townie that got a wrong read. I feel that there is potential for the night kill victim's reads to be used to help pave the wave for a mislynch. Another reason that I have my doubts about them both being scum is that my potential scum team right now is looking like sugarfluff, shirokami, and one other.
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On May 07 2013 00:30 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
@Sugarfluff what do you think about calgar and nobodywonder's interaction with each other?
Are you seriously implying that you know how an SK would play, and that Vayne is doing it? What's your experience with forum mafia?
I have no experience, but I'd imagine he'd want to be helpful while at the same time making sure no cop looks him over or mafia targets him.
On May 08 2013 00:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:@sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum. My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below: Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8.
My main reason for starting what became the lynching of JarJar was not the fact that he only discussed the the lurker policy, but that he was for it and didn't actually vote for any lurkers to get them to start posting. Seemed suspicious and contradictory to me, it didn't to you?
The only true meaty post that he wrote is this:
He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts.
Yupp I did miss you, but then again I don't find you nearly as suspicious as I would have thought Calgar would have found jrkirby.
I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it.
You are contradicting yourself here, my voting of JarJar was the first one, certainly not a general opinion at that time. Nor is it hypocritical, for reasons stated above.
On May 07 2013 03:12 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - Is there a reason you've ignored my previous questions addressed to you? This makes me feel like you aren't reading what I'm saying.
I assume this is what you are referring to?
You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in
Yup, JarJar was my top read, I stand by the vote I cast at that time. I thought he was suspicious. Shirokami had a reason, yes his reason could be used as a tactic and maybe I am too trusting in this game. But at the time I certainly did not think he was that suspicious, nor do I think voting for him would have brought much.
You've made no other questions, only stated your suspicions. Which I found quite baseless compared to other stuff in this thread.
On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum?
Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content).
On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Sugarfluff:
Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
Them being scumbuddies makes sense, and Calgars passing over kirby relies on that (if either one is town it's just weird behavior from Calgar) but Kirby on his own does not have a great track record. For the start he may as well have been lurking, his big post is not as inclusive as it could be, he brings up a scum team with very little evidence and in the following time he has done nothing to reinforce or change his view. He just makes sure everyone knows that he knew that JarJar was town.
I'm staying in tonight btw, so if you want to ask more questions I will answer them sooner this time. Now for a late dinner.
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On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - I guess it's fair to say I've tunneled you but you really haven't given me any reason to stop. Part of the reason I have been is to prompt you to talk more. Instead you've ignored my questions to date and that adds to my feeling of unease about you.
I also really dislike your case for some of the same reasons spicydinosaur does. It seems like you've made a lot of stretches and built it on poor premises. You've factored prominently a connection (or lack therof) between me and kirby, but I fail to see the relevance here. You mention that we haven't really interacted, but naturally I'm not going to be able to interact with everyone substantially or at all in the first few days. I haven't really had much to say to several other players such as spicy and shirokami - why no case built between us then? Even if we were both mafia, we might decide to interact a whole lot.
You've imagined this master plan that we have where we plan when to interact and that just doesn't make any sense to me - you can build a 'case' on anyone based on this strategy.
So yeah, give me a reason to back off and I will. Until then I really don't like your play at all, and I'm surprised more people haven't been on your case for it. Are you ever going to respond to my questions?
This post sprung up while I was writing mine, so I guess you would find some answers in the post I just made. But to clarify I will reiterate with the hope of being clearer.
I did not answer one of your questions but I answered others so I hardly feel I've ignored your questions to date. There actually is interaction between you and kirby, I find your lack of criticism for this obviously poor poster suspicious. You did give attention to shirokami in the beginning, and he was pretty much the same as kirby except he took the time to tell us/make up a reason for such low content posting (and has since then improved on it)
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On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:30 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
@Sugarfluff what do you think about calgar and nobodywonder's interaction with each other?
Are you seriously implying that you know how an SK would play, and that Vayne is doing it? What's your experience with forum mafia? I have no experience, but I'd imagine he'd want to be helpful while at the same time making sure no cop looks him over or mafia targets him. Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 00:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:@sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum. My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below: On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8. My main reason for starting what became the lynching of JarJar was not the fact that he only discussed the the lurker policy, but that he was for it and didn't actually vote for any lurkers to get them to start posting. Seemed suspicious and contradictory to me, it didn't to you? Show nested quote +
The only true meaty post that he wrote is this:
He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts.
Yupp I did miss you, but then again I don't find you nearly as suspicious as I would have thought Calgar would have found jrkirby. Show nested quote +
I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it.
You are contradicting yourself here, my voting of JarJar was the first one, certainly not a general opinion at that time. Nor is it hypocritical, for reasons stated above. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:12 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - Is there a reason you've ignored my previous questions addressed to you? This makes me feel like you aren't reading what I'm saying. I assume this is what you are referring to? Show nested quote +You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in Yup, JarJar was my top read, I stand by the vote I cast at that time. I thought he was suspicious. Shirokami had a reason, yes his reason could be used as a tactic and maybe I am too trusting in this game. But at the time I certainly did not think he was that suspicious, nor do I think voting for him would have brought much. You've made no other questions, only stated your suspicions. Which I found quite baseless compared to other stuff in this thread. Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Sugarfluff:
Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
Them being scumbuddies makes sense, and Calgars passing over kirby relies on that (if either one is town it's just weird behavior from Calgar) but Kirby on his own does not have a great track record. For the start he may as well have been lurking, his big post is not as inclusive as it could be, he brings up a scum team with very little evidence and in the following time he has done nothing to reinforce or change his view. He just makes sure everyone knows that he knew that JarJar was town. I'm staying in tonight btw, so if you want to ask more questions I will answer them sooner this time. Now for a late dinner.
Only 1 death tonight so I think we can rule out an SK.
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@Jampi
Ok, your accusal of me revolves around my vote of Jarjar. I had a poor read on him, in my eyes he was neither clearly scum or town, note the resentment in my voice when it turned out he was town, I wanted him to ideally post before I went to bed (I stayed up as late as I could as I had school the next day) but he didn't get there in time.
Casey and Spicy's votes mattered because if they kept on flowcaster there was definitely no chance of anyone but jarjar eating the lynch, had there been one or two swaps from jarjar then casey and spicy had the power to effectively lynch most people.
You say I instantly jump to the defensive on being accused yet Vayne's analysis of me clearly states that I did not react to any of his accusations. Now I would agree with Vayne's analysis here as I was going by the thinking that acting up over being accused is just going to make you appear more scummy whilst continuing as normal whilst knowing that you weren't scum would be the obvious choice of any townie, although in Vayne's analysis he states that this isn't what townies do, I probably should have read through a game or two to get an idea on that.
@Spicy
You say that my reasoning for voting jarjar can be applied to myself, so what? it doesn't make the reasoning any worse, it just means it can also apply to me.
Again people focus on my remorse for jarjar's lynch, jarjar's fate wasn't sealed when I went to bed, there were about 3 and a half hours left to go until the lynch occurred and if casey and you changed your votes as well as 1 from jarjar then anyone could have been realistically lynched.
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On May 08 2013 05:51 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 07 2013 00:30 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
@Sugarfluff what do you think about calgar and nobodywonder's interaction with each other?
Are you seriously implying that you know how an SK would play, and that Vayne is doing it? What's your experience with forum mafia? I have no experience, but I'd imagine he'd want to be helpful while at the same time making sure no cop looks him over or mafia targets him. On May 08 2013 00:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:@sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum. My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below: On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:
Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him.
At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8. My main reason for starting what became the lynching of JarJar was not the fact that he only discussed the the lurker policy, but that he was for it and didn't actually vote for any lurkers to get them to start posting. Seemed suspicious and contradictory to me, it didn't to you?
The only true meaty post that he wrote is this:
He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts.
Yupp I did miss you, but then again I don't find you nearly as suspicious as I would have thought Calgar would have found jrkirby.
I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it.
You are contradicting yourself here, my voting of JarJar was the first one, certainly not a general opinion at that time. Nor is it hypocritical, for reasons stated above. On May 07 2013 03:12 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - Is there a reason you've ignored my previous questions addressed to you? This makes me feel like you aren't reading what I'm saying. I assume this is what you are referring to? You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in Yup, JarJar was my top read, I stand by the vote I cast at that time. I thought he was suspicious. Shirokami had a reason, yes his reason could be used as a tactic and maybe I am too trusting in this game. But at the time I certainly did not think he was that suspicious, nor do I think voting for him would have brought much. You've made no other questions, only stated your suspicions. Which I found quite baseless compared to other stuff in this thread. On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Sugarfluff:
Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?
Them being scumbuddies makes sense, and Calgars passing over kirby relies on that (if either one is town it's just weird behavior from Calgar) but Kirby on his own does not have a great track record. For the start he may as well have been lurking, his big post is not as inclusive as it could be, he brings up a scum team with very little evidence and in the following time he has done nothing to reinforce or change his view. He just makes sure everyone knows that he knew that JarJar was town. I'm staying in tonight btw, so if you want to ask more questions I will answer them sooner this time. Now for a late dinner. Only 1 death tonight so I think we can rule out an SK.
I don't, jampi could have been universally targeted. SK could have been blocked. His target been protected. 1 death does very little to disprove a possible SK.
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@Vayne, jampidampi was clearly not radiating scum vibes, he was actively posting from the beginning, started by putting forward good points on the LAL debate, he pressures you for not releasing information as most people did, he analyses people intently, not being afraid to put his point across, basically yeah, nothing about it said scum to me so why would I not say he's town?
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@Calgar, read the above post to hear about my opinion on jampi.
read the post before that to see what I have to say about the jarjar lynch.
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EBWOP: I'm going to bed now, its 10:40, damn I need to get some more time in the day to actually write things down.
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On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote:On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up. Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum? Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content). As far as I'm concerned, shirokami's filter is the one that is frekishly devoid of actual content right now. Why aren't you more concerned about him as a lurker than jrkirby? shiro has given vague excuses and one read all game, way less than kirby has done. If I had briefly mentioned kirby initially instead of shiro, would you be suspicious of us two instead? As far as me "completely skip"ing kirby, you're just as guilty of completely skipping over casey and shiro.
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This has been a very inactive day, i hope to see more post tomorrow when i wake up. Espescially i wanne see some answear`s from you jrkirby. And until i see some answear`s & content from you
##Vote : jrkirby
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Im going to catch up in 12 hours or so. I still want to lynch vayne tho.
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On May 08 2013 10:22 shirokami wrote:
Im going to catch up in 12 hours or so. I still want to lynch vayne tho. Really shiro?! Are you us kidding here? You started the game saying you wouldn't be able to post temporarily but promised you would provide some solid analysis when you got back to your computer. What you produce is null-reads on two? people and one very short scumread on vayne. All I see is a pattern of stall tactics promising future content and no delivery.
On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. Zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game you say, so why exactly are you lurking? For now you've earned my vote for the aforementioned reasons.
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@jrkirby
To follow up from my previous post, you still haven't improved.
You've gone from a lot of one liners to hardcore lurking:
Vayne, you were talking about how a no lynch would be good, but you never did vote for one. Why?
This was your last post, you asked a question, yet when Vayne replies you do nothing with the information you gained, shirokami reacted, but not you.
Casey asks you a question about your voting, which you subsequently ignored:
You had 3 suspects, changed your vote to non of thoose 3 and ending up with no lynch. What happend to we fearing lynches and : Lynch whoever we think are scum ??
He's asking you why you changed to no lynch, you still haven't replied.
He asks later on for a reply:
Im waiting for you`r answears Jrkirby
Still no answer.
God damn it jkirby, reply, if you don't you're instantly scum in my eyes.
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