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I think it is important for us to revisit the previously discussed lurker-lynch policy, specifically since we are getting down to the deadline and we have a major lurker in flowcaster. I didn't bring it up for no reason; I'm serious and think there is a reason town benefits from the policy and there was general consensus. If we mention it and don't follow through on voting lurkers then we are giving anyone a free pass to lurk for the game.
@nobodywonder, spicydinosaur, jarjardrinks, targe, shirokami - I'd like to hear your thoughts on this because you all have specifically agreed with the policy.
I'm keeping my vote on sugarfluff for now because he has read scummy to me so far but the fact that flowcaster has lurked so much is definitely bad. I'm willing to switch my vote to enforce the lurker lynch policy closer to the deadline if flowcaster doesn't drop some serious content.
@shiro - Glad to see you're posting content now. I understand you'd like more content from me; right back at you. I noticed you've jumped onto a player who has already received heat after joining late. Seems like an easy way to sheep a D1 vote, would you not agree?
@vayne
On May 06 2013 05:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him I strongly disagree with you here. There's a reason to pressure lurkers - it's to get them to talk. If they don't talk you don't get any information from them and you can't play the game. You're assuming that all lurkers are town here and that just doesn't follow. Town gains nothing from lurking. Your stance here doesn't make sense; the way you see it if scum lurks they are given a free pass for the game. And again, please don't bring up a no-lynch. It's an utter waste of time D1.
@sugarfluff
On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote:On May 04 2013 17:23 Sugarfluff wrote: For me it's the attitude towards not lynching on the first day. I do think we should lynch, cause as I said I think mafia can use the extra time more, as well as the serial killer. This is my first game though so I'm not sure if not lynching on day 1 is a common strategy, if so I'd love to hear the reasons behind it. As far as not lynching goes - it's absolutely terrible and town should never entertain this idea. End of story, no need to discuss something useless like this or hear reasons. I dislike how you're trying to imply uncertainty in your decisions and what you say. I get you logic except this part. I specifically stated that I didn't know if it was useless. What if it wasn't useless, should I not learn it? And you should always get reasons for everything. Which is why Vaynes vote for Targe is just another suspicious move on his part, however right it may be the logic needs to be there and the reasons need to be known. Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him. I'm still not impressed with your posting sugarfluff. I understand you may or may not have known but that kind of tactic is something mafia like to do in order to be less threatening and noticed. I'd like to see you be more committed in taking a stand and outlining your reads. You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in?
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@calgar at this point, LAL doesnt apply to flowcaster since
On May 06 2013 03:55 kitaman27 wrote: FloWcaster has been warned for inactivity. They will be replaced at the end of the cycle if they do not reply. 7 hours remain in the cycle.
On May 06 2013 05:37 nobodywonder wrote: NOOOO, casey! don't vote Flowcaster, it's the easy way out. This is really scummy.
CHANGE IT NOW... WORK HARDER
On May 06 2013 05:39 nobodywonder wrote: as a public service announcement:
DO NOT VOTE FLOWCASTER
if you do you are either a stupid town or scum. neither of which is good. DO NOT DO THIS.
at this point, Flowcaster may be modkilled, or replaced and I do not see the purpose of killing a lurker at this point. What fucking information does it give us? Nothing.
again, do not vote flowcaster. give analysis of the actives or somewhat actives and vote.
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@calgar, what do you think of the Jarjar lynch? who are your top reads other than sugarfluff?
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I am going to off soon, I have a taiko concert to go, so ask my questions or whatever for about 15 minutes and I'll respond asap. I think jarjar is the right choice today and it'll give us good ideas about what to do day 2.
many of you guys are looking very scummy. be more active plz, jrkirby and flowcaster change your votes, casey and spicy
and dont you dare switch to flowcaster, calgar or try to convince anyone to do so. it is stupid. we are here to kill scum, and we dont always have to follow the rules
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On May 06 2013 06:41 nobodywonder wrote: @calgar, what do you think of the Jarjar lynch? who are your top reads other than sugarfluff? I'll be able to type something longer before lynch but very quickly: it's hard to make any decision on jarjar because he's posted very little but I don't really like it because I read him as town. I think he has better logic and critical points than other people in the thread. I think vayne has said some really scummy stuff and been scummy as hell in general continuing to bring up no-lynch. I would rather lynch vayne or sugar over jarjar as of now.
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@calgar
Jarjar's logic and wording is fine, it makes more sense than others, but I'm concerned about his tunneling of jampi, which I find strange and does fit his meta. The thing is why can't jarjar extend his reasoning to others?
as for vayne, I definitely agree he is very scummy, but for now I'm more inclined to believe he is just a very very weird town. If at any point, his activity decreases or becomes even more scummy, I'd gladly lynch him.
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well i gtg, gl town gl gl
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@calgar, I wasn't calling for a lal policy, I was calling for a put pressure on lurkers with votes tactic.
Looks like jarjar's eating this lynch, I was hoping the voting would put some pressure on him to explain himself but he hasn't responded, annoying, if he turns out to be town that is a wasted day and a lynch, we'll be giving scum breathing room for another day.
Casey and Spicy, you really need to change your votes, flowcaster is pointless as he is about to be modkilled. Calgar, don't switch to flowcaster, that's a terrible idea because of his modkilling.
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@calgar Yeah no. I'm not sheeping anyone. Vayne has made posts that are all over the place don't you think? And now he is even wanting nolynch wtf. I'm sticking with him, I'm not really against jarjar-lynch but I still keep vayne on top of my list. If jar jar is scum, jampi isn't.
Also my awesome grammar thanks to my phone again, decided to check back before sleep.
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I'm off to bed now, goodnight guys. vote well.
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##Unvote : Flowcaster ##Vote : JarJarDrinks
Jarjar and Vayne seems as the most scumming once for me, with jarjar as the scummiest, jarjar have barly contributed, Vayne says he will contribute, but not before D2, atleast he seems more active then jarjar, im looking forward to see what you come up with on D2 Veyne, if your still here. Tomorrow i have free from work and will spend much time analytic post/filters and try to contribute more then i have done soo far. I think maybe i should have obs`ed a game before i started playing, this was a bit harder then i expected, but il try to keep up.
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Ok, after rading all the filters and all the thread I have made my guess: A scumteam of nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami.
Lucky for them, they so far have no votes on the entire team. Scum will attempt to distance themselves from each other, but will hate to risk one of them dying on the first day. First they have distanced themselves by all voting for different people. If Jarjardrinks were scum, he'd be defended by someone, and there'd be a surge of votes and accusations onto someone else. Instead, I think the scum have one person on him to guarantee he'll be lynched, and the rest spread out.
Also, nobodywonder and casey have put evidence against shirokami, but there are still no votes against him.
On May 05 2013 08:12 eSpi.Casey wrote: @ shirokami You have barly contributed at all, and from what you say so far, you are not willing to post anything. And you want to wait to the very end before we see a good post from you ? I do not like this, and if you dont post some content before this you are for me the biggest scum for now, with Vayne as number 2. I will contiune read filters and update here, and i hope you do aswell
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 02:53 nobodywonder wrote:This is going to be a terrible lynch if no one frickin' votes. The lynch is not going to give us anything if the votes are too spread out. At this point, I want no bullshit, give me transparency. Right now, I'm annoyed by several people, especially shirokami and vayne. why the hell are you saying that you have logic or stuff to say, but can't do so on day 1? also @spicydinosaur, don't vote flowcaster for now because at this point he may be replaced or something. why don't you be productive and give an opinion on the active players right now. i just looked at your filter, shirokami. your filter is terrible. you post but never contribute anything besides saying my phone is terrible for typing and i'll get back to you in a while. Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote: Yo yo.
So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.
Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote: Yo yo.
So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.
I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.
Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 18:06 shirokami wrote:@spicy My phone corrects my punctuation so my posts will not lack in that manner, the hard part is to quote and paste things. My punctuation will go worse when I have no autocorrect anymore I'm traveling as I write back to home, still many kilometers to go but hey I will post something big after I get back home. I'm sorry for not been posting anything with content. One thing is I like jarjars posts. Will tell you later why. You may have a legitimate reason with the phone thing, but seriously delaying contribution and analysis is hugely detrimental to town. I understand you can't quote stuff, but you can still give analysis of Jarjar's post somewhat. I didn't find Jarjar's posting that great...
also casey says he's "tempted to vote vayne" who I think is their second day lynch plan.
Also, nobodywonder doesn't like the votes being split up:
On May 06 2013 02:53 nobodywonder wrote: This is going to be a terrible lynch if no one frickin' votes. The lynch is not going to give us anything if the votes are too spread out. At this point, I want no bullshit, give me transparency. It sounds like he wants us all to follow and BW a townie. If we BW there's no way of telling who the scum is. The BW could have been started by either scum or town, but one thing is certain, it's a town who'll get lynched at the end of the day.
Shirokami is tunneling vayne, mainly because of this:
On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote: Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum. And while I agree that it's a mistake to do as vayne is doing, it's a mistake I understand as I made a similar mistake last game.
Casey is still voting flowcaster, who is going to get modkilled tonight, and is teaming up with shirokami's suspicion even tough he's trying to distance himself from him.
Overall, I'm not very certain on this scumteam, it's just my current greatest suspicion. It could only be one of these is scum, or even none. So far, the scummiest seems to be nobodywonder, so I'll vote him.
But here's what I'm most confident on: jarjar probably is town. The way the votes have arrainged themselves, there's probably a single scum voting for him.
Also, I'm currently reading jampidampi as town; he's made some productive posts and discussion. Everyone else I pretty much have a null read.
I should be around until end of the day, so ask away if you like.
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Well it looks like Casey has jumped on the jarjardrinks bandwagon since I started writing. It seems it'll turn out the same way it always happens: town gets lynched day 1. Hopefully by the end of the day I'll have stronger reads on who is scum.
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Forgive me, but I fail to see how no lynching day 1 is so ridiculous in a game with PR roles. Killing town off before having evidence to go off of only helps the mafia. By lynching some one instead of not lynching, thats a whole day less of PR roles gathering info.
Could some one explain to me how no lynching is bad? All the people against that are very suspicious to me for the time being.
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I have always played in small games with PR roles on epicmafia.com where day 1 lynching a lot of the time is obscene and would get you called a noob pretty harshly so I dunno why people are so vehemently against it. This is how I was taught to play.
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You're right in that we'll almost never actually manage to lynch mafia day one. It's just not going to happen. But what we do get is reads on all the players. If everyone just no lynched day one, we would get pretty much no information. We wouldn't be able to see who voted for who and why.
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On May 06 2013 08:18 jrkirby wrote: You're right in that we'll almost never actually manage to lynch mafia day one. It's just not going to happen. But what we do get is reads on all the players. If everyone just no lynched day one, we would get pretty much no information. We wouldn't be able to see who voted for who and why.
The problem is assuming that the mafia are idiots. Id rather have no information than meaningless information. A common strategy, bussing, is used a lot to "clear" mafia individuals when they lead a lynch against another mafia. Completely worthless reads.
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OK, so I'd like to defend myself but I haven't really seen any real reasons for voting me. Targe says that he's annoyed that I havent responded even though I specificly said I'd be gone much of the day.
Hopefully people see how easily the votes piled on me after I said I'd be away. If I was scum, don't you think there'd be someone else accumulating votes to try and take the heat off of me?
Anyway, I'm pretty convinced Targe is scum.
Here's Targe's reasoning for voting me:On May 06 2013 03:14 Targe wrote: I'm suspecting jarjar because he hasn't expressed opinions of other people, he has only explained his opinions on general things such as lynch policy, seems like he is trying to avoid lurking whilst appearing to contribute. Please look @ my filter (I know, not that long yet) and tell me that I haven't expressed my opinion on people. Now look @ Targes filter and tell me 99% of his posts aren't filler.
Gonna reread some more and try to figure out why people are voting for me but please feel free to ask me specific questions.
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