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Seriously this hero is so broken lol. I've gone up like 200 Elo just from playing him and I didn't even figure out how to really play him until more than halfway through my total games on him.
I can only ever remember losing lane once (to a Singed that I got overaggressive on and got flung into tower for fb) and going even in lane twice (to an Irelia and a Lee Sin). He is almost like Yorick in lane with his sheer lane dominance except infinitely more useful after the laning phase.
I don't think number tweaks would fix him either, his whole kit concept just seems broken. A ranged form so you can bully melees/farm safely against other ranged, huge speed boosts to escape ganks/chase (not to mention it also benefits your whole team), one of the best long ranged pokes in the game which is also AoE and a great waveclear, a great gapcloser that also slows and a knockback that does % max health.
He basically just has an answer to everything you could throw at him. Against a burst caster like Pantheon? Jayce bursts just as hard but also adds utility and scaling. Against big sustained DPS like Darius? lol knockback. Against a strong ranged harasser like Kennen? np, I have a ranged form too. Against something tanky like Cho or Singed? Make their life hell with ranged form early and then smack them with % health damage.
I mean the only conventional tops I can see Jayce having a hard time against are Yorick, Kennen, a well played Irelia, and Lee Sin. Even then tbh he doesn't lose to any of those, he just doesn't dominate them like he does everyone else. If you get any kind of advantage against any of those early then you still shit all over them.
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On September 21 2012 18:44 Curu wrote:Seriously this hero is so broken lol. I've gone up like 200 Elo just from playing him and I didn't even figure out how to really play him until more than halfway through my total games on him. I can only ever remember losing lane once (to a Singed that I got overaggressive on and got flung into tower for fb) and going even in lane twice (to an Irelia and a Lee Sin). He is almost like Yorick in lane with his sheer lane dominance except infinitely more useful after the laning phase. I don't think number tweaks would fix him either, his whole kit concept just seems broken. A ranged form so you can bully melees/farm safely against other ranged, huge speed boosts to escape ganks/chase (not to mention it also benefits your whole team), one of the best long ranged pokes in the game which is also AoE and a great waveclear, a great gapcloser that also slows and a knockback that does % max health. He basically just has an answer to everything you could throw at him. Against a burst caster like Pantheon? Jayce bursts just as hard but also adds utility and scaling. Against big sustained DPS like Darius? lol knockback. Against a strong ranged harasser like Kennen? np, I have a ranged form too. Against something tanky like Cho or Singed? Make their life hell with ranged form early and then smack them with % health damage. I mean the only conventional tops I can see Jayce having a hard time against are Yorick, Kennen, a well played Irelia, and Lee Sin. Even then tbh he doesn't lose to any of those, he just doesn't dominate them like he does everyone else. If you get any kind of advantage against any of those early then you still shit all over them.
You realize that his overall skills are mediocre compared to other champs, who at least excel at something. He is only good at laning face. And almost useless in team fights, cant tank, does average damage, no cc, no support except small speed boost.
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On September 29 2012 19:36 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 18:44 Curu wrote:Seriously this hero is so broken lol. I've gone up like 200 Elo just from playing him and I didn't even figure out how to really play him until more than halfway through my total games on him. I can only ever remember losing lane once (to a Singed that I got overaggressive on and got flung into tower for fb) and going even in lane twice (to an Irelia and a Lee Sin). He is almost like Yorick in lane with his sheer lane dominance except infinitely more useful after the laning phase. I don't think number tweaks would fix him either, his whole kit concept just seems broken. A ranged form so you can bully melees/farm safely against other ranged, huge speed boosts to escape ganks/chase (not to mention it also benefits your whole team), one of the best long ranged pokes in the game which is also AoE and a great waveclear, a great gapcloser that also slows and a knockback that does % max health. He basically just has an answer to everything you could throw at him. Against a burst caster like Pantheon? Jayce bursts just as hard but also adds utility and scaling. Against big sustained DPS like Darius? lol knockback. Against a strong ranged harasser like Kennen? np, I have a ranged form too. Against something tanky like Cho or Singed? Make their life hell with ranged form early and then smack them with % health damage. I mean the only conventional tops I can see Jayce having a hard time against are Yorick, Kennen, a well played Irelia, and Lee Sin. Even then tbh he doesn't lose to any of those, he just doesn't dominate them like he does everyone else. If you get any kind of advantage against any of those early then you still shit all over them. You realize that his overall skills are mediocre compared to other champs, who at least excel at something. He is only good at laning face. And almost useless in team fights, cant tank, does average damage, no cc, no support except small speed boost.
Are you joking? You must be joking.
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On September 29 2012 19:36 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 18:44 Curu wrote:Seriously this hero is so broken lol. I've gone up like 200 Elo just from playing him and I didn't even figure out how to really play him until more than halfway through my total games on him. I can only ever remember losing lane once (to a Singed that I got overaggressive on and got flung into tower for fb) and going even in lane twice (to an Irelia and a Lee Sin). He is almost like Yorick in lane with his sheer lane dominance except infinitely more useful after the laning phase. I don't think number tweaks would fix him either, his whole kit concept just seems broken. A ranged form so you can bully melees/farm safely against other ranged, huge speed boosts to escape ganks/chase (not to mention it also benefits your whole team), one of the best long ranged pokes in the game which is also AoE and a great waveclear, a great gapcloser that also slows and a knockback that does % max health. He basically just has an answer to everything you could throw at him. Against a burst caster like Pantheon? Jayce bursts just as hard but also adds utility and scaling. Against big sustained DPS like Darius? lol knockback. Against a strong ranged harasser like Kennen? np, I have a ranged form too. Against something tanky like Cho or Singed? Make their life hell with ranged form early and then smack them with % health damage. I mean the only conventional tops I can see Jayce having a hard time against are Yorick, Kennen, a well played Irelia, and Lee Sin. Even then tbh he doesn't lose to any of those, he just doesn't dominate them like he does everyone else. If you get any kind of advantage against any of those early then you still shit all over them. You realize that his overall skills are mediocre compared to other champs, who at least excel at something. He is only good at laning face. And almost useless in team fights, cant tank, does average damage, no cc, no support except small speed boost.
You don't really need that much damage. You just gate your Ashe then knock all those pesty bruisers from your Ashe so she can do damage.... and acquire Elo.
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On September 21 2012 18:44 Curu wrote:Seriously this hero is so broken lol. I've gone up like 200 Elo just from playing him and I didn't even figure out how to really play him until more than halfway through my total games on him. I can only ever remember losing lane once (to a Singed that I got overaggressive on and got flung into tower for fb) and going even in lane twice (to an Irelia and a Lee Sin). He is almost like Yorick in lane with his sheer lane dominance except infinitely more useful after the laning phase. I don't think number tweaks would fix him either, his whole kit concept just seems broken. A ranged form so you can bully melees/farm safely against other ranged, huge speed boosts to escape ganks/chase (not to mention it also benefits your whole team), one of the best long ranged pokes in the game which is also AoE and a great waveclear, a great gapcloser that also slows and a knockback that does % max health. He basically just has an answer to everything you could throw at him. Against a burst caster like Pantheon? Jayce bursts just as hard but also adds utility and scaling. Against big sustained DPS like Darius? lol knockback. Against a strong ranged harasser like Kennen? np, I have a ranged form too. Against something tanky like Cho or Singed? Make their life hell with ranged form early and then smack them with % health damage. I mean the only conventional tops I can see Jayce having a hard time against are Yorick, Kennen, a well played Irelia, and Lee Sin. Even then tbh he doesn't lose to any of those, he just doesn't dominate them like he does everyone else. If you get any kind of advantage against any of those early then you still shit all over them. Oh a number tweak would work, it would work great. EVERYTHING can be made underpowered by a numbers nerf(say a massive ratio nerf of his E). Its only a game design issue of whether you want to nerf numbers or if you want to readjust skills.
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Question: Supposing I want to play a lot of one champ, love toolboxy things in other games and can take the losses, grab Jayce y/n? I'm guessing y, but I'm a pretty horrid player, is low skill Jayce even playable? Just thinking of trying to stick to one guy a decent amount to ease the information overload a bit. Plus he's a toolbox 
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In my personal opinion Jayce is one of the easiest top laner to pick up. You just need to know how to press Q + E and kite to play at an acceptable level.
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I guess, since I play a ton of AD carry, I have this large mental block with Jayce where I never get aggressive in lane.
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First ranked game with Jayce: 31/10 with a quadra, 2 triples, and thre double kills. I think I found a solo top thats almost as broken as KhaZix
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On October 01 2012 14:07 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
First ranked game with Jayce: 31/10 with a quadra, 2 triples, and thre double kills. I think I found a solo top thats almost as broken as KhaZix
I'd be interested against what char that was 
So far the worst laning phase for me was against rengar. It was a high elo player pubstomping (2k wins) and he drubbed me so hard that i went 2/7 in lane. After that he was kind enough to go roaming and kill the rest of my team, and letting me farm up, but still I have literally no idea what i could have done (except something like "sit under tower for the entire game"), because our jungler fed him even worse than I did (he engaged 1on1 3 times while I was already back in base, or dead in 1 case).
So while I still enjoy jayce top a lot, rengar needs either more practice or a different playstyle.
To those who ask what the problem was, the basic problem was that he positioned himself in such a way that E knockbacks hit him back into the highgrass, which meant he was almost instantly back on top of me. Coupled with a first blood start due to an invade I got rolled.
Completly different question: against agressive junglers do you ward the tribush (your own) the baron or the bushes at the river? So far i had some success with warding the baron area, but it feels as if i loose a ton of time in lane while keeping that ward up.
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On October 23 2012 02:00 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 14:07 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
First ranked game with Jayce: 31/10 with a quadra, 2 triples, and thre double kills. I think I found a solo top thats almost as broken as KhaZix I'd be interested against what char that was So far the worst laning phase for me was against rengar. It was a high elo player pubstomping (2k wins) and he drubbed me so hard that i went 2/7 in lane. After that he was kind enough to go roaming and kill the rest of my team, and letting me farm up, but still I have literally no idea what i could have done (except something like "sit under tower for the entire game"), because our jungler fed him even worse than I did (he engaged 1on1 3 times while I was already back in base, or dead in 1 case). So while I still enjoy jayce top a lot, rengar needs either more practice or a different playstyle. To those who ask what the problem was, the basic problem was that he positioned himself in such a way that E knockbacks hit him back into the highgrass, which meant he was almost instantly back on top of me. Coupled with a first blood start due to an invade I got rolled. Completly different question: against agressive junglers do you ward the tribush (your own) the baron or the bushes at the river? So far i had some success with warding the baron area, but it feels as if i loose a ton of time in lane while keeping that ward up.
Ward position highly depends on what side you're playing and what jungler they're using.
If you're purple side warding the baron area is nice, but if you have fast enough reaction warding the river bush or just outside that bush can be enough. However, against junglers that you need advance notice from like Shaco/Rammus and/or if you're playing a champ that pushes really hard, you should place your ward a bit further out; near baron pit is good.
If you're blue side you can ward near baron pit, but doing so allows the enemy jungler to sneak in through their tribush for a lane gank or river gank. I personally prefer to ward their tribush.
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What do you guys think of Jayce after the E nerf? Would you still max it over Q?
I think some people mentioned him in GD but I'd rather not look through 190+ pages of posts to find it.
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On November 04 2012 03:39 Vingle wrote:What do you guys think of Jayce after the E nerf? Would you still max it over Q? I think some people mentioned him in GD but I'd rather not look through 190+ pages of posts to find it.
WoD mentioned that some people are starting to max W more often. Before the E nerf I mostly saw maxing E and Q while ignoring W and R completely.
I will probably update the OP a little, but I haven't played him in a while =\
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Pardon the ignorance, WoD?
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On November 05 2012 17:37 JALbert wrote:
Pardon the ignorance, WoD?
wingsofdeathx
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how does Jayce do verse Riven after the nerf?
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how do you mastery jayce after the patch?
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On November 05 2012 21:13 GhostOwl wrote:
how does Jayce do verse Riven after the nerf?
I find that he does quite well as long as you keep a distance from her and swat her away the moment she gets close enough to stun
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From GD:
On February 12 2013 05:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 05:51 Requizen wrote:On February 12 2013 05:49 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 12 2013 05:21 wei2coolman wrote:On February 12 2013 05:19 Requizen wrote:
Sadly, I don't think Jayce is nearly as strong nowadays. He can't really play the whole "build tanky and be a threat" as he could before the E nerf, and building damage on him doesn't feel as strong as it used to now that everyone has a Warmog's or more. He's still quite strong, just not the same lane bully he was before. More of a niche pick now, best for a dedicated poke comp with someone like AP nidalee. New Tear helps him a lot. I sucks because you sacrifice some damage, but it makes it so you don't OOM when poking with QE combo. Really? I guess on Cannon W and Hammer E it's nice for the combo, but idk if he'd make as much use out of muramana as other champions. What kind of build do you go on him nowadays? I used to do things like BT + FMallet or TF + Warmogs back when he was released and OP as shit, but I'm just not sure anymore. The typical builds we've seen in tournament games lately go Tear -> Bruta -> BT -> Muramana then w/e. Q/E becomes godly and can be done forever. You don't need to max E anymore, but Q is incredible for damage/poke.
I feel like just BC's health component isn't enough in a meta where bruisers (especially top laners) are expected to be pretty damn tanky. And that's assuming you finish BC at some point and don't just sit on Bruta.
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