EPT##Unvote: Sinensis
##Vote: Timeasis
Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum.
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't. ##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum. That's exactly what I was waiting for. The level of analysis here is positively staggering. I love how effectively you responded to all of my points about Timeaisis. [/sarcasm] This is a bandwagoning if I've ever seen one. Where's your analysis of Timeasis or Et's post? Why is lynching "someone" better than lynching no one? So many votes are already on Sentinel, why shouldn't we lynch him? Combined with your bizzare behavior early on, I'm now positive you are scum as well. Thanks for making this really obvious. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. No. Do you really want me to argue against this? First, this is purely speculation since you don't know if GMarshal balanced the game or not. Second, there are tons of first gamers in this game (mderg, Vilonis, BaronFel, Sinensis, Timeasis) you don't think any of those can be scum? Third, these games tend to be town favored, if he stacked either side he would probably be stacking town but again, this is purely speculation. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. First of all, this is all WIFOM and speculation, you don't know how Timeasis plays scum. Also, it is plain wrong, Timeasis didn't try to stick out at all in my opinion, he didn't push any lynches or post anyooks kinda like you're depsperately tryithing controversial. You also say that Mafia tend to lurk, while you said here that you don't think sinani206 is scum, because scum don't lurk. Seems like you're just making stuff up on the fly. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about. Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today. As for the no-lynch v. lynch discussion, I will always prefer lynch over no lynch, unless we're lynching a confirmed town. This is alignment independent for me and we can discuss it post game if you want to. But I never said that, I say that we should lynch Timeasis because he is scum, not because I prefer lynching "someone" over no-one so you're kinda putting words in my mouth now aren't you? Why does my bizarre behavior early on make me scum? Didn't you also just say in your defense of Timeasis that scum don't generally try to attract attention to themselves early on. It seems to me like you're making stuff up on the fly to fit with whatever you've decided to believe. You should stop this. | ||
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Timeaisis
23 Posts
On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't. ##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum. Two things: First: Thank you TheToast. I appreciate the defense. Second: I love how I get accused of bandwagoning and then see this. All you're doing is making it obvious that you and sentinel are scum. I could do an analysis of reasons why, but you pretty much explained it with that post. But, since I think sentinel is still more of a threat, I'm keeping my vote on him. Obviously, that may change quickly. | ||
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Timeaisis
23 Posts
On February 04 2012 04:38 prplhz wrote: Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today. Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis! On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote: FoS: Sentinel FoS: prplhz FoS: Bluelightz For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win. I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis. Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me. TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor. That is all for now. Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first. Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new. On February 03 2012 09:28 Bluelightz wrote: Who I think is scum: Timeaisis: Sheeping as pointer by ET above, he wants to lynch prp but later when everybody votes Sentinel he votes Sentinel too! Sinensis: Random Lynching, Really?.Random lynching can be easily sabotaged because mafia can "fake" their random number. FoS:Sinensis FoS:Timeaisis Ah, why does bluelightz think I'm worth lynching? Because I want to lynch prplhz and Sentinel. Looks like he's coming to their defense. And why does he want to lynch Sinensis, he claims because of random lynching, but I think its because of Sinensis' previous FoS post. It's obvious to me that Sentinel, bluelightz, and prplhz are all against me and Sinensis, due to the fact they both bandwagoned us at different times. So, here's the question. If you are against sentinel, you need to be against bluelightz and prplhz too. That's all I got for now. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. For some reason I thought in mafia the mafia didn't know who each other were either at the beginning... | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
@sinani206 I thought you wanted to use this game to get back into mafia, then why are you clearly not putting a lot of effort into this game? First your terrible post on me and now this, one of them is scum because they are voting for each other? That's pretty stupid, townies in that situation will most likely just vote for whoever else is up for lynch to save themselves (and so would scum). You are voting for [UoN]Sentinel, because he has gone quiet in the face of votes, what about the analysis on Timeasis? Why don't you agree with it? Did you read any of their filters? Seems like you don't care too much who gets lynched. Is this what we should expect from you all game? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
@Sentinel do you have any finished games of Mafia on TL? | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
You however have not voted logically all game. I have been pointing a finger of suspicion at you for pages and you never respond. There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three? | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Why are we focused on Sentinel? As I said before, I'm still not 100% convinced he's chaos. Bluelightz and prplhz are the much more obvious chaos-scum. We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel. Also you forgot about our lurker-in-cheif BaronFel. Who for some reason is still got his vote on Sinesis and only 2 posts. Idleness leads to heresy | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
[UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it. @Sinensis Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident. I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it. What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand. @TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: [/b]so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. That's a little something called "school". I woke up and went there today. Timeaisis: Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis! I'm sorry, what is this? If everyone else suspected me sans the three of us and Echelon, that would be 8 votes on me. I'd be dead. There are only 5 votes on me which means that 7 people think I'm either innocent or not important enough to be lynched. This is why I feel like I have a more legitimate beef - when I voted, I pointed out exactly which part made me suspicious. You on the other hand went "herp derp that guy voted for Sentinel so I'm voting for Sentinel". I might have bandwagoned but at least I gave a little bit of evidence (the paragraph I quoted) while you gave absolutely zero other than some other guy voted for him. I don't even understand why I'm getting all these votes as a result of this. Then he says: Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first. Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new. "Sentinel, the one who was bandwagoned second. Then soon after that FoS, a shitload of lynches, an interesting post by prplhz and EchelonTree, probably because everyone thinks we're stirring up trouble when really these votes are unjustified in such numbers." Sinensis: You however have not voted logically all game And you voted me for going to school. There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three? Why are you only suspecting us three when at least time warrants suspicion? And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context. Bandwagon is jumping onto a conclusion with little to no original evidence. I had little, timeaisis had no. This is the central topic of this discussion. Everyone understands the word in this game as approximately that definition, so there is no problem. And lastly, Toast: We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel. 50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted" and some people can't get it into their heads that I. Am. Not. A. Scum. And before people say I'm going silent again, this is my game plan: It is now 4:00 EST. Between 4:25 EST and 8:30 EST I will be busy due to swim practice. So if anybody's wondering why I'm lurking, here's your answer. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. That´s only speculation... and I don´t like speculation in mafia. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. His vote against Vilonis doesn´t clear him at all. It´s typical to call out players who didn´t post any content, regardless of alignment. You are probably right about first time mafia not jumping on a bandwagon of their own, but it´s not certain that Sentinel is scum. Of course Timeaisis would be pretty much cleared as town, if Sentinel flipped town. IMO Going with the flow does indicate scummyness, if there´s a bandwagon on a townie, it´s pretty easy to hide in the majority. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. This sounds strange. Mafia always involves risks. I know what you mean, though. btw On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: ##Vote: Timeasis Just want you to know that you misspelled his name... you should change that, if you want him lynched. some more coming later today | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On February 04 2012 05:28 Sinensis wrote: And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context. ...you've used the word bandwagon too, have other people been misusing it unlike you? doesn't take a dictionary definition to see bandwagon. it's obvious. bandwagon analysis, as a subset of vote analysis, is a useful tool in mafia; don't discredit its use. On February 04 2012 05:34 TheToast wrote: Why are we focused on Sentinel? As I said before, I'm still not 100% convinced he's chaos. Bluelightz and prplhz are the much more obvious chaos-scum. We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel. Where did you say that you're not 100% convinced he's chaos? What I saw in your filter is that you believe that only Sentinel and Bluelightz have good analysis on them. The former, you now want to leave for later (hint: if you think someone is scummy why leave them for later), and the latter, you are the only one who analyzed him. What, so is my analysis on Timeaisis shit? Why does no one seem to want to address Timeaisis, or my points on him? That said, your points on Bluelightz here are pretty good, but how is prplhz bad? no one's posted anything of substance on him. Just saying "I think X is scummy" won't convince me. A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 04 2012 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted". . I know its probably not an actual bet, but as a reminder, rule #9 reads Cheating is considered: 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. So please ^_^ | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On February 04 2012 04:54 Timeaisis wrote: Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new. funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 04 2012 06:04 GMarshal wrote: I know its probably not an actual bet, but as a reminder, rule #9 reads Cheating is considered: 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. So please ^_^ Yeah, it was a joke, I was trying to drive the point home (and I don't see any in-game benefits from the money itself). But thanks for that. | ||
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