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Dubo
Profile Joined June 2010
United States161 Posts
December 11 2010 15:16 GMT
#801
On December 12 2010 00:03 arbitrageur wrote:
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On December 10 2010 15:06 KimchiBreath wrote:
scientists are often inarticulate in expressing thought coherently other than in mathematical algorithm.


Source? What evidence do you have to back this incredible assertion? What sample size of observations are you working with?

Oh you got him there. Just pull that string and his whole argument will unravel.
the scv is a spy!
Igaryu85
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany195 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 15:18:30
December 11 2010 15:17 GMT
#802
Hey Idra/Greg whatever you prefer I at first want to say that I really love that you actually put up a stream especially because it looked like their wouldnt be any material to your gameplay as I heard somewhere that you would never give out replays of yourself.

I wondered what you think about the 11 Pool and then later expo in terms of getting more larvae quicklier.

I mean you are ussually getting creep up fast and sometimes even tumor before inject but I was wondering if you tested this and or what your thoughts are on this in general.

Greetings Igaryu

PS isnt it odd to play the korean version or do you actually understand the basic korean writing and stuff?

Edit: Please stop that offtopic stuff
KimchiBreath
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 15:33:41
December 11 2010 15:19 GMT
#803
Look at what those of the physical sciences have contributed to humanity, then look at what lawyers have contributed.


A typical comment that I would expect from a Brickie and not a teenager commenting a video game website. Sorry for the blatant insult but I can't help it

Most disciplines are interdependent of each other and to isolate law as a career and to say lawyers have not contributed to society is ignorant. I've never said anything likewise against physicists.

If I accepted that you were smart enough to know what I am implying, then I wouldn't say any more. Sadly, I feel obliged to remind you that society would not be as it is if there were no legal sanctions available to both civil and criminal activity then you can kiss away your human rights, the rule of law and boundaries to scientific experimentation.

Kimchibreath rebuts the posit that physics is more respected than law by bringing up the fact that the UAI (score) cut-off is higher for law. Kimchibreath should know that the supply and demand for law subjects apposed to physics subjects has nothing to do with respectability.


Yes, but I will go a step further and assert that most women respect lawyers much more than scientists stuck in their lab. We are more desirable for women, and generally more wealthy and articulate. There is research done in this field, which I have been told by an eminent barrister in Victoria, who I am not inclined to call up just to post it on this site. Even common sense dictates that lawyers, doctors, bankers and the most prestigious careers.

On a personal level, at law school, we only view doctors as our intellectual equals. It's just that we are reluctant to ever mention this just as Harvard students will never say they feel they are better than students from other universities. Saying that physics is more prestigious to me sounds like a bad attempt at a joke. It's even worse than my cocky friend who consistently brags to me how his top mark in engineering should impress me.

The higher UAI cut off score is higher due to the general smaller size of law school. Why not increase the size of the law school to meet higher demand? Why not make the cut off for medicine lower by increasing the size of medical school? The answer should be self evident. As a result of cut off scores, law school often obtains the brightest students. Most of them having achieved the highest marks in high school both in humanities and physical sciences. The rest of the top achievers go into medicine not physics.

Saying that I will refrain to comment about others perceptions of an insignificant part of my comment was not a call for all trolls to put in their two cents of bs. To this extent, I think I've made my point clear. Enjoy the posts so far and understand that I will not respond further in this off topic discussion.
Dubo
Profile Joined June 2010
United States161 Posts
December 11 2010 15:29 GMT
#804
On December 12 2010 00:19 KimchiBreath wrote:
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Look at what those of the physical sciences have contributed to humanity, then look at what lawyers have contributed.


~futile argument

I think at this point everyone's made up their mind in this argument and no one's is going to change.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
December 11 2010 15:57 GMT
#805
No more off-topic crap in this thread please. If you have any long message for IdrA and nobody else will benefit from seeing his response, deliver the message via PM.
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Substancer
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada36 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 20:34:22
December 11 2010 20:28 GMT
#806
Thank you for nuking the troll (and not a very convincing one).

People have been talking about how SC2 is just devolving into rush-based play, as seen from the trends in GSL3. And just watching the idra stream last night makes me convinced that the problem is going to just get worse and worse. I don't want rushes gone, just balanced with macro play. There are too many successful allins.

Edit: Also since his TL account was jacked, is that possibly related to why he can't use his ustream account?
Ultramus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States319 Posts
December 11 2010 21:04 GMT
#807
Kimchi, Idra already tried the korean schedule and he wasn't a fan. There is a point where more practice is not helpful. Law of diminishing returns. If Idra feels he can get more out of casting/coaching along with playing then I'm fairly certain he has his reasons.

Starcraft like chess isn't a game you can just get better at by only playing it, it's just as important to think about strategy, watch replays and find out what you could do better, then it is just massing games.

Idra is such a mechanically sound player that he isn't losing much not playing the same build a thousand times on ladder.

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Lamphead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada241 Posts
December 11 2010 23:00 GMT
#808
On December 12 2010 00:19 KimchiBreath wrote:
Show nested quote +
Look at what those of the physical sciences have contributed to humanity, then look at what lawyers have contributed.


A typical comment that I would expect from a Brickie and not a teenager commenting a video game website. Sorry for the blatant insult but I can't help it

Most disciplines are interdependent of each other and to isolate law as a career and to say lawyers have not contributed to society is ignorant. I've never said anything likewise against physicists.

If I accepted that you were smart enough to know what I am implying, then I wouldn't say any more. Sadly, I feel obliged to remind you that society would not be as it is if there were no legal sanctions available to both civil and criminal activity then you can kiss away your human rights, the rule of law and boundaries to scientific experimentation.

Show nested quote +
Kimchibreath rebuts the posit that physics is more respected than law by bringing up the fact that the UAI (score) cut-off is higher for law. Kimchibreath should know that the supply and demand for law subjects apposed to physics subjects has nothing to do with respectability.


Yes, but I will go a step further and assert that most women respect lawyers much more than scientists stuck in their lab. We are more desirable for women, and generally more wealthy and articulate. There is research done in this field, which I have been told by an eminent barrister in Victoria, who I am not inclined to call up just to post it on this site. Even common sense dictates that lawyers, doctors, bankers and the most prestigious careers.

On a personal level, at law school, we only view doctors as our intellectual equals. It's just that we are reluctant to ever mention this just as Harvard students will never say they feel they are better than students from other universities. Saying that physics is more prestigious to me sounds like a bad attempt at a joke. It's even worse than my cocky friend who consistently brags to me how his top mark in engineering should impress me.

The higher UAI cut off score is higher due to the general smaller size of law school. Why not increase the size of the law school to meet higher demand? Why not make the cut off for medicine lower by increasing the size of medical school? The answer should be self evident. As a result of cut off scores, law school often obtains the brightest students. Most of them having achieved the highest marks in high school both in humanities and physical sciences. The rest of the top achievers go into medicine not physics.

Saying that I will refrain to comment about others perceptions of an insignificant part of my comment was not a call for all trolls to put in their two cents of bs. To this extent, I think I've made my point clear. Enjoy the posts so far and understand that I will not respond further in this off topic discussion.


haha, I see why you're doing the dick-measuring thing, all my peers who have gotten internships already (I'm in early undergraduate still) basically live in the library or are savants and are broken elsewhere in their personality or had connections, if I were you and I had the dedication to work that hard, and I heard that a bunch of people on a forum said "lol, so you make more money and have more prestige and wasted time doing something really hard, but that doesn't make your opinion any more valid", it'd feel like my work of however many years was invalidated, so yes, I feel bad for the way this thread is turning out in that way...I've never heard anyone say "Oh, I went through law school. Yeah it was a breeze, all of it..", so I respect the amount of effort it took you..

I go to the University of Toronto, so it was big humbling experience to see tonnes of people more widely skilled than I...in my limited experience, I would say that I think it's kind of ridiculous to compare university programs to each other, like law and physics and what not, at the end of the day, you rarely ever see anything, even on a higher education level, that makes you say "Wow, I could never understand this, regardless of how much time or effort I had." (except UofT math, lol that wasn't fun) That's something I think holds true for a lot of people and for any subject...if you just invested interest and time and effort into a program of study, chances are you would succeed to some degree..So what do we argue about? Whether the better ways are the long, hard, prestigious ways or the easier, possibly lower paying, less taxing, frowned upon ways? Yeah, I don't know, I find that argument kind of silly >_> we all have choices, and we are the sum of those choices, and there's no shame in choosing one way or the other if it's what you want to do with your life, because rarely do good things ever come out of situations where you're miserable with your life's decisions

However, on the other hand, I can see why you caught some flack, because you probably didn't need to mention your educational background or use jargon, when I come to TeamLiquid, I like it because I can just put away my math/statistical/economics jargon aside and just speak comfortably about a fun, pressure-free topic..I suppose you've worked so hard and spent so many hours in books that you've become accustomed to this level of speech in daily conversation, or maybe you just are that pretentious...lol

And finally, as it pertains to the original post you made:
- Idra has already said he needs consistent practice partners and people he can discuss strategy with...if he could get a good coach, he'd probably have one
- Idra has tried every type of practice schedule you and I could probably imagine, and seeing as he's a motivated person and he's also delaying the security of a post-secondary education to chase a dream halfway across the world in the prime of his life, I think he'd be doing everything reasonable to be getting better
- I'm not sure if it occurred to you because you speak as if you're baller-rich, but progamers don't exactly make the most lucrative living...I figured Idra could probably use the spare cash more than anything by coaching..

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wuddersup
Profile Joined July 2010
United States228 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 00:36:54
December 12 2010 00:36 GMT
#809
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BuzzKerbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia46 Posts
December 12 2010 00:58 GMT
#810
On December 12 2010 00:19 KimchiBreath wrote:

Yes, but I will go a step further and assert that most women respect lawyers much more than scientists stuck in their lab. We are more desirable for women, and generally more wealthy and articulate. There is research done in this field, which I have been told by an eminent barrister in Victoria, who I am not inclined to call up just to post it on this site. Even common sense dictates that lawyers, doctors, bankers and the most prestigious careers.


Thats a step further?

Your hilarious.

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DarthKhan
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada166 Posts
December 12 2010 02:45 GMT
#811
Idras stream: "a death-threat free environment " LMAO. It says that if you go to his ustream page on the top.

Idra your stream is awesome, please keep it up. From someone who plays starcraft 2 pretty casually, its amazing to see pros like yourself play at the highest skill level.
HOLY CHECK G.G.
ccdnl
Profile Joined April 2010
United States611 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 04:30:12
December 12 2010 04:05 GMT
#812
On December 11 2010 22:04 arbitrageur wrote:
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For someone criticizing what I've written "you're" not too bright. Don't tell me that its a typo, when you've written a total of seven lines.disagree.


It's


Lol, nice catch. I think he just effectively called himself "not too bright". But I may be wrong because following his logic, 7 lines is the bench mark where typos are deniieed

On topic: Very nice job Idra, thanks for bringing the streams to us!

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On December 11 2010 23:09 Kang19 wrote:
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On December 11 2010 22:10 KimchiBreath wrote:
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While I would love to hear that Idra is practicing 12 hr days in preparation to pwn some noobs in next year's GSLs, I'm equally happy to hear that he's spending some of his less crucial practice time giving back to his fans -- the stream is awesome btw!


I absolutely agree. However opportunity cost is the issue here.

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That being said, I've heard Idra complain about his practice environment before -- left to play mostly ladder -- so I think he agrees with needing a way to test/discuss builds and get immediate feedback, but it's sounding the EG house is going to be his answer to this instead of a coach. Heck, Tasteless might already be doing this role since he's the Team Manager.


This is the exact issue that I am aware of and why I proposed certain solutions.

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Like Kang19 said, we're not informed on his exact training schedule, so 1.2k word essays on what he's doing wrong and how he could do better from someone with no starcraft/e-sports background comes off as a bit pretentious.


Trust me, I have no interest in deliberately acting pretentious to impress a select group of people outside of my country with no direct relationship to me.

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ps: I admit to having to look it up so you might have to correct me, but for someone so against using ad hominem in an argument it seems like you did it first when you insulted most everyone here to make your post more credible.


I made an observation through many months of reading through forum related comments and I can give numerous examples where the greater majority held a belief which I find ridiculous.

However it should be obvious by now, that this was an incredibly small and unimportant introduction that was not intended to be a live issue of contention.

@Kang

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Right, so every example you've given consists of someone who is not an expert in a field of knowedge knowing the rudimentary elements of that field. As much as I'm sure you'd love to tell IdrA that having more Drones gives you a better economy and that practice leads to perfection, I think he can do without you.


I think you should leave the disingenuous criticism aside for a while and actually read the tips which you are contending are either uninformed or too rudimentary to be of use. Most of them have nothing to do with whether I know how to micro and macro and go to the technical concepts of game mechanics and general practice regimes, to which only a basic understanding of Starcraft 2 is necessary.

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The number of foreigners in Korea has grown substantially the past few weeks and will continue to do so. Whether IdrA wants to expand his circle of friends that he can openly talk strategy with to all of them or keep it to Artosis, Ret, and whomever else he has chosen is his business. He certainly doesn't need Aussie lawyers to waste his time by telling him that Overlords can fly over gaps and cliffs.


This is precisely the ignorance that I expected from someone who does nothing but use ad hominem attacks to present a point which is completely unconstructive. Idra does only have Artosis, Tasteless, Ret to which he is willing to have free communication discussing game mechanics.

Conclusion : I believe that I am qualified to give general advice because I am intelligent. As I've mentioned time and again, I don't get pride by boasting on the internet. I've got my CV and academic transcripts to do that.

I was the dux of my high school, and have won three awards for mercantile law units, I've done internships in Ernst and Young, UBS Investment Bank, Goldman Sachs, Freehills, Allen Arthur Robinson, and Blake Dawson and have tutored finance units at my university.

Even with a basic understanding of Starcraft concepts, I feel more than qualified than Artosis, Tasteless or Ret in giving a basic guidelines on how to properly train for a game which a fifteen year old could learn how to play.

The line of argument that some posters on this site feel is that I should be a competitive player in order to give general advice. This is not true. If we accept this fallacy, then we would assume that those in charge of military strategy in the Pentagon need to be ex top marines. Clearly this is not the case. Some of the advice I have given Idra are very basic and do not require any game knowledge. I hope any more criticism of what I write can be a little more useful than attacking me on my 'pretentiousness' which never was the core of my so called '1000 word essays'.


How is pretentiousness not the core of your posts when you spend more time talking about where you went to school and how you're smarter than the average TLer than anything else? I'm two semesters from graduating the honours program of physics at my university, which is just a bit more prestigious than law, yet I had no need to bring it up in previous posts because it is absolutely irrelevent.

I feel that the people who have been playing this game for the past 12 years (ie. everyone that IdrA talks to) are more than well aware of how to prepare and practice. Even though you are smarter than IdrA, a recipient for a full scholarship into theoretical physics, have faith in him knowing how to train. Okay? Thanks.

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was user Kang banned for this post? I'm not supporting anyone here. I am however quite curious to the reason for banning him in that post. I am aware moderators are able to ban people with their subjective determination but I'm dumbfounded how that specific post constituted a ban?


Edit:
On December 11 2010 16:12 Spec wrote:
I just want to say that your music is better than Huk's.

LOOOOOOOOL, LMAO. I will refrain from "hating on" Huk's music. LOL
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 06:02:40
December 12 2010 05:54 GMT
#813
Everyone: stop responding to KimchiBreath's posts. He's already been banned. Move on.
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_KiM_
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada498 Posts
December 12 2010 06:56 GMT
#814
hoping for a stream
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
December 12 2010 08:15 GMT
#815
Will there be a stream for today, IdrA :> ?
.van.
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany4 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 09:09:12
December 12 2010 09:07 GMT
#816
would be cool. still waiting for the best stream in the universe :D !
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
December 13 2010 03:20 GMT
#817
Really enjoying watching the stream. Glad to see Greg doing things like this and coaching while he has time, its really pleasing to the fans.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 13 2010 04:42 GMT
#818
ustream seems to be down for me at the moment

ill stream whenever its working
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-13 04:57:20
December 13 2010 04:57 GMT
#819
Can't wait for the stream so I can steal more of your gosu zerg builds.
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
December 13 2010 07:45 GMT
#820
Does he listen to a lot of Deadmau5 or am I crazy?
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