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Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
December 11 2010 07:12 GMT
#761
I just want to say that your music is better than Huk's.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
Glaven
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada554 Posts
December 11 2010 08:12 GMT
#762
Lol nice. Running into check prime four times in a row. Winning zvz 4 times in a row.
Special Tactics
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
December 11 2010 08:26 GMT
#763
Idra how the hell did you not think that was double port???????????????
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
lacho_u
Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria535 Posts
December 11 2010 08:28 GMT
#764
the advantage of being skilled
Power is nothing without control
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
December 11 2010 08:32 GMT
#765
Idra 7 pooling Huk

...Epic
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
KimchiBreath
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 13:12:11
December 11 2010 08:33 GMT
#766
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Kimchi for someone studying to become a lawyer your not too bright, although this is the most entertainment I have had on these forums yet.


For someone criticizing what I've written "you're" not too bright. Don't tell me that it's a typo, when you've written a total of seven lines.

Ideally, what you suggested would be great, if I decided that I care enough about the game to dedicate a great deal of my life to it. Furthermore, I don't believe I need a great deal of knowledge of the game to point out 'general' tips.

All I want is to see Greg to win the GSL and not lose to yet another cheese build. I feel that if he takes in some general advice, then he has a lot of room to improve. I know if I was in his position, I would read any independent, informed and potentially helpful advice, even if I were to ultimately disagree.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
December 11 2010 08:52 GMT
#767
*Cheesed by oGsEnsare

EGidrA: Fuck you

Leaves game.

Ensare pm's him something in korean.

EGidrA: faggot.

lololol
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
December 11 2010 08:53 GMT
#768
On December 11 2010 17:52 superbabosheki wrote:
*Cheesed by oGsEnsare

EGidrA: Fuck you

Leaves game.

Ensare pm's him something in korean.

EGidrA: faggot.

lololol

question is... what did ensnare pm him
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
Kang19
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada102 Posts
December 11 2010 08:56 GMT
#769
On December 11 2010 17:33 KimchiBreath wrote:
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Kimchi for someone studying to become a lawyer your not too bright, although this is the most entertainment I have had on these forums yet.


For someone criticizing what I've written "you're" not too bright. Don't tell me that its a typo, when you've written a total of seven lines.

Ideally, what you suggested would be great, if I decided that I care enough about the game to dedicate a great deal of my life to it. Furthermore, I don't believe I need a great deal of knowledge of the game to point out 'general' tips.

All I want is to see Greg to win the GSL and not lose to yet another cheese build. I feel that if he takes in some general advice, then he has a lot of room to improve. I know if I was in his position, I would read any independent, informed and potentially helpful advice, even if I were to ultimately disagree.


You're not in his position and you're not informed. You've said it yourself.

He has plenty of knowledgeable people in Korea to give him all the advice he needs.
KimchiBreath
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 10:25:06
December 11 2010 10:22 GMT
#770
First of all, I'd like to point out the obvious, which is I am not in his position . I brought it up because I assume that it is more likely than not, that most people with above average intelligence would do the same, including Ida.

I also want to correct you in saying that I am not uninformed in the context of the advice that I am giving. I feel that you have to be stupid or disingenuous to assume otherwise. If you are the former, then let me give you some examples.

If I tell a client that bringing up his good character in a trial, opens him up for cross examination and waives the right of self incrimination, then he is able to make an informed decision based on my advice. He does not need to be a lawyer to so because he understands this basic concept.

Similarly, if I am not a lawyer, but I know that a section of the road traffic act applies to speeding, that is enough to make an informed decision. I also don't need to be a scientist to know the basic elements of chemical compounds or an economist to know the relationship between supply and demand.

Having a basic understanding on how the units in Starcraft II works, I am able to make an informed comment about how a training regime would potentially work. I don't need to be a macro/micro expert in order to give advice relating to it. I've also noted the possibility of merely having potential to be helpful.

For example, if I know that an overlord can travel in air, and I know that no units can counter air until a certain time, then I would simply point out that it would be a good idea to scout using an overlord until that time. I do not need to be at the top of diamond league to do so.

From what I gather (please correct me if I'm wrong), the number of foreigners to which Idra can share his ideas with are limited to those few that can speak English, who he feels is competent to give advice, and who are willing to exchange ideas freely. That by no means amounts to a substantial group of people.
SlowCookah
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 10:48:25
December 11 2010 10:39 GMT
#771
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On December 10 2010 00:47 KimchiBreath wrote:
Hi Greg,

I'd like to give a brief introduction of myself. Without disclosing any personal details, I would like to point out that I'm a final year law student in one of the top Australian law schools. I have secured a few internships in the past two years and will be entering one the top firms in Australia in 2012.

The reason I point this out is to separate myself from the general demographic population on this site consisting of adolescents and teenagers who are both immature and quick to judge. I see myself as a well rounded individual.

Similarly to you, I find it unnecessary to moderate my language and my wording to attempt to be modest. The fact is that what you achieve means a lot more than how many faces you can make smile. As we both know, the truth can often hurt.

To give you a little perspective, I am not a good Starcraft II player. I've played a total of 200 games over the last few weeks. I have not learnt the proper hot keys or any strategies. I did however manage to get to platinum with about a 60% win ratio over a span of two days. The purpose of my communication with you is not to discuss aspects of the game but to give some constructive criticisms of your attitude and work ethic. What I say henceforth may not be useful but I hope it does give some further perspective to your current training regime.

First of all, I'd like to give my opinion in that I do not think that you should be coaching. This distracts from your training and will affect your time allocation for personal development. While there is some correlation between teaching others and self realization of mistakes, the benefit of doing so is greatly outweighed by the fact you are teaching material that you have already consolidated. This will subconsciously tend to prevent you from challenging your own build orders, and understanding of the game.

My train of thought derives from the fact that a good teacher generally must have a uncontested view that what he is teaching is correct. Given the perpetual changes in the dynamics of the game, I think having this view will tend to prevent you from improving. The extra time can be used for more useful things such as studying new concepts, replays and personal reflection. Keep in mind how none of the coaches of any proteams ever take dual roles and no coach is ever a good player. In my opinion, you should not be continuing coaching despite the monetary rewards involved.

I take the same view in terms of casting. I personally enjoy your commentary more than any other of your fans. I find them one of the most insightful things that I can learn other than playing the game. However, even more than hearing you commentate, I want to see you win the next GSL. Casting will give away your mentality of thinking, opening up the space for potential opponents with access to a translator to pick away at your tactics. I advise against it.

More importantly though Greg, I feel that you need a competent coach that can constantly discuss build orders and timings with you. Part of your failure in Starcraft 1, along with Ret and even Chinese players like Luo Xian (Legend), was that within the progaming houses, there were language barriers. However, that in itself would not have been bad, if not for the prejudicial views that Koreans hold of foreigners. This doesn't come as a surprise considering that Koreans are the most xenophobic people in the world. They are just very good at hiding it. To that extent, I can fully understand why you choose not to share tactics with other Korean gamers.

Many foreigners so far are too naive or are too insecure to accept this as a reality. I remember that when Luo Xian was playing for SKT T1, he often beat Stork, Bisu, Boxer in games. He had a particularly good in house win ratio against Fantasy in practice games. In an interview, he raised that he used to own Fantasy in almost every game. Despite this, the reason he gave of leaving the scene was that the Korean coaches helped players like Fantasy reach their potential by nurturing them, giving them consistent advice and pointing out tiny details and weaknesses in their game.

LX felt neglected and especially frustrated that, whether it was because he was a foreigner or whether it was because he couldn't speak the language, he received none of that treatment and in return found there to be no need to stay in the country.

Back to the point, I think the reason why Starcraft 1 progamers succeeded to some extent was due to the help of coaching staff. A person has only so much time to both practice and produce working build orders. Having a coach allowed the player to focus on executing the mechanics and the intricate timings that are necessary. The coach would then take on the role of pointing out the flaws of the player that may not be known to the player themselves. It was also for the coach to suggest possible new surprise builds and outstanding situations that may occur. Absent of a coach, a player needs to prorate their time more strictly. This detracts overall from the quality of the training.

If we look at what history has taught us, we will see that many of the greatest achievers thrive in specialisation. Those with gifts in the field of science, engineering, law and medicine, or sports like fencing, chess, badminton, often know very little other than what they do. Those at the very apex of their chosen profession, sacrifice a great deal of their personal or academic life in pursuit of specializing in their chosen fields. Geniuses are almost always obsessive, judges often have no life other than law, and scientists are often inarticulate in expressing thought coherently other than in mathematical algorithm. You need to ask yourself Greg, what you've done to reach the 'apex' of your profession. Also ask yourself whether coaching or making streams is really going to make you win the next GSL.

As much as you might hate it, perhaps it's time to force yourself to create an extremely strict practice schedule and employ someone who you think would qualify as a competent coach. Otherwise, allocate time in the week to make a particular schedule. As much as you hate training back in the CJ house, I believe there must be some merit in practicing relentlessly the same build over and over again. In one of Nestea's interview (yes I know you don't look fondly on Nestea), he said he practiced about a hundred over games of the same build to prepare. In many sports like badminton and snooker, the same stroke is often practiced hundreds of times to promote consistency.

I enjoy watching your games and I hope you get far Greg. I hope any of these criticisms with help with your development in the game. Perhaps you, Ret, Jinro and a Protoss of your choice can form a trust between yourselves so as to improve without holding anything back. Understandably, you enjoy the publicity you are now receiving. However try not to let that get to you too much. Think only of winning and reward the fans with lip service when you take home the GSL. Good luck Idra, and I'll be continuing to support you.



While I would love to hear that Idra is practicing 12 hr days in preparation to pwn some noobs in next year's GSLs, I'm equally happy to hear that he's spending some of his less crucial practice time giving back to his fans -- the stream is awesome btw!

That being said, I've heard Idra complain about his practice environment before -- left to play mostly ladder -- so I think he agrees with needing a way to test/discuss builds and get immediate feedback, but it's sounding the EG house is going to be his answer to this instead of a coach. Heck, Tasteless might already be doing this role since he's the Team Manager.

Like Kang19 said, we're not informed on his exact training schedule, so 1.2k word essays on what he's doing wrong and how he could do better from someone with no starcraft/e-sports background comes off as a bit pretentious.

ps: I admit to having to look it up so you might have to correct me, but for someone so against using ad hominem in an argument it seems like you did it first when you insulted most everyone here to make your post more credible.

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I'd like to give a brief introduction of myself. Without disclosing any personal details, I would like to point out that I'm a final year law student in one of the top Australian law schools. I have secured a few internships in the past two years and will be entering one the top firms in Australia in 2012.

The reason I point this out is to separate myself from the general demographic population on this site consisting of adolescents and teenagers who are both immature and quick to judge. I see myself as a well rounded individual.


edit: looking back, you do bring up good points. I just don't think lots of practice is what he needs right now considering his lack of a team-house. Once tournaments start again, I'm sure he'll stop coaching/streaming entirely.
Breakfast is going to be awhile.
Kang19
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 10:49:16
December 11 2010 10:48 GMT
#772
@KimchiBreath

Right, so every example you've given consists of someone who is not an expert in a field of knowedge knowing the rudimentary elements of that field. As much as I'm sure you'd love to tell IdrA that having more Drones gives you a better economy and that practice leads to perfection, I think he can do without you.

The number of foreigners in Korea has grown substantially the past few weeks and will continue to do so. Whether IdrA wants to expand his circle of friends that he can openly talk strategy with to all of them or keep it to Artosis, Ret, and whomever else he has chosen is his business. He certainly doesn't need Aussie lawyers to waste his time by telling him that Overlords can fly over gaps and cliffs.

I look forward to your 1000 word essay response. Remember to double-space!
Dubo
Profile Joined June 2010
United States161 Posts
December 11 2010 12:25 GMT
#773
On December 11 2010 15:53 BuzzKerbox wrote:
Kimchi for someone studying to become a lawyer your not too bright, although this is the most entertainment I have had on these forums yet.

First try becoming much better at the game along with much more experience in the starcraft community, then become REAL LIFE friends with some pro players, then when they ask you for advice feel free to then gush all you want.

Greg's response to your initial post should have been clear enough.

I think you should be TL's token try hard, with your own tag.


Observe as the dick-face implies superiority by feigning amusement. With its confidence boosted by its fellow fanboy's similar opinions, it ironically assumes it can act more pretentious than the man it mocks, while having proportionately less credibility. Remarkable, remarkable, what a creature. Ah, there it goes, scampering back to lick the toes of the Idralisk.

User was temp banned for this post.
the scv is a spy!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 11 2010 12:31 GMT
#774
when i try to login to ustream it says my logins invalid, and then when i try to do a password reset it says theres too many requests from my ip

anyone had this before/know how to fix it?
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Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
December 11 2010 12:36 GMT
#775
greatest stream of all time?
KimchiBreath
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
December 11 2010 12:41 GMT
#776
I don't know how to fix it, but I suppose resetting cookies and downloading a proxy like hideip would change the IP allowing you to reset. The program itself should take a few minutes to download. You can give it a try.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
December 11 2010 13:01 GMT
#777
Lol who can translate what ensare said to idra?
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NapstaR
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany128 Posts
December 11 2010 13:01 GMT
#778
at the moment the laggiest stream of all time for me :D

sry Idra never had that problem, but can u acutally reset ur internet connection perhaps? like unplug and plugin again? that could help, dunno about network structures in korea...
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
December 11 2010 13:04 GMT
#779
For someone criticizing what I've written "you're" not too bright. Don't tell me that its a typo, when you've written a total of seven lines.disagree.


It's
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
December 11 2010 13:05 GMT
#780
On December 11 2010 19:22 KimchiBreath wrote:
Similarly, if I am not a lawyer, but I know that a section of the road traffic act applies to speeding, that is enough to make an informed decision. I also don't need to be a scientist to know the basic elements of chemical compounds or an economist to know the relationship between supply and demand.

They don't need to be a scientist to know how GB works, it's characteristics, structure, in order to develop a counteracting agent...?
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