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KimchiBreath
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 15:37:25
December 11 2010 13:10 GMT
#781
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While I would love to hear that Idra is practicing 12 hr days in preparation to pwn some noobs in next year's GSLs, I'm equally happy to hear that he's spending some of his less crucial practice time giving back to his fans -- the stream is awesome btw!


I absolutely agree. However opportunity cost is the issue here.

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That being said, I've heard Idra complain about his practice environment before -- left to play mostly ladder -- so I think he agrees with needing a way to test/discuss builds and get immediate feedback, but it's sounding the EG house is going to be his answer to this instead of a coach. Heck, Tasteless might already be doing this role since he's the Team Manager.


This is the exact issue that I am aware of and why I proposed certain solutions.

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Like Kang19 said, we're not informed on his exact training schedule, so 1.2k word essays on what he's doing wrong and how he could do better from someone with no starcraft/e-sports background comes off as a bit pretentious.


Trust me, I have no interest in deliberately acting pretentious to impress a select group of people outside of my country with no direct relationship to me.

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ps: I admit to having to look it up so you might have to correct me, but for someone so against using ad hominem in an argument it seems like you did it first when you insulted most everyone here to make your post more credible.


I made an observation through many months of reading through forum related comments and I can give numerous examples where the greater majority held a belief which I find ridiculous.

However it should be obvious by now, that this was an incredibly small and unimportant introduction that was not intended to be a live issue of contention.

@Kang

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Right, so every example you've given consists of someone who is not an expert in a field of knowedge knowing the rudimentary elements of that field. As much as I'm sure you'd love to tell IdrA that having more Drones gives you a better economy and that practice leads to perfection, I think he can do without you.


I think you should leave the disingenuous criticism aside for a while and actually read the tips which you are contending are either uninformed or too rudimentary to be of use. Most of them have nothing to do with whether I know how to micro and macro and go to the technical concepts of game mechanics and general practice regimes, to which only a basic understanding of Starcraft 2 is necessary.

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The number of foreigners in Korea has grown substantially the past few weeks and will continue to do so. Whether IdrA wants to expand his circle of friends that he can openly talk strategy with to all of them or keep it to Artosis, Ret, and whomever else he has chosen is his business. He certainly doesn't need Aussie lawyers to waste his time by telling him that Overlords can fly over gaps and cliffs.


This is precisely the ignorance that I expected from someone who does nothing but use ad hominem attacks to present a point which is completely unconstructive. Idra does only have Artosis, Tasteless, Ret to which he is willing to have free communication discussing game mechanics.

Conclusion : I believe that I am qualified to give general advice because I am intelligent. As I've mentioned time and again, I don't get pride by boasting on the internet. I've got my CV and academic transcripts to do that.

I was the dux of my high school, and have won three awards for mercantile law units, I've done internships in Ernst and Young, UBS Investment Bank, Goldman Sachs, Freehills, Allen Arthur Robinson, and Blake Dawson and have tutored finance units at my university.

Even with a basic understanding of Starcraft concepts, I feel more than qualified than Artosis, Tasteless or Ret in giving a basic guidelines on how to properly train for a game which a fifteen year old could learn how to play.

The line of argument that some posters on this site feel is that I should be a competitive player in order to give general advice. This is not true. If we accept this fallacy, then we would assume that those in charge of military strategy in the Pentagon need to be ex top marines. Clearly this is not the case. Some of the advice I have given Idra are very basic and do not require any game knowledge. I hope any more criticism of what I write can be a little more useful than attacking me on my 'pretentiousness' which never was the core of my so called '1000 word essays'.
Dogbert
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada87 Posts
December 11 2010 13:19 GMT
#782
You've got to give kimchi credit, he puts in a lot more effort than your average troll.
Keula
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany157 Posts
December 11 2010 13:23 GMT
#783
Thanks for streaming your games Idra
Appreciate it !

btw: Huk seems upset hahahaha
EG fan
BuzzKerbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia46 Posts
December 11 2010 13:39 GMT
#784
On December 11 2010 21:25 Dubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2010 15:53 BuzzKerbox wrote:
Kimchi for someone studying to become a lawyer your not too bright, although this is the most entertainment I have had on these forums yet.

First try becoming much better at the game along with much more experience in the starcraft community, then become REAL LIFE friends with some pro players, then when they ask you for advice feel free to then gush all you want.

Greg's response to your initial post should have been clear enough.

I think you should be TL's token try hard, with your own tag.


Observe as the dick-face implies superiority by feigning amusement. With its confidence boosted by its fellow fanboy's similar opinions, it ironically assumes it can act more pretentious than the man it mocks, while having proportionately less credibility. Remarkable, remarkable, what a creature. Ah, there it goes, scampering back to lick the toes of the Idralisk.


And you continued the trend quite nicely yourself.

I dont pretend to have any credibility at all and my comments were far from well thought out. I just could not get around the nature of the posts like a lot of other people and how obvious it is that pro gamers, especially in a game like this, must go over every little detail on a daily basis, probably hourly.

I could careless about Idra by the way.


BeWat3r
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany182 Posts
December 11 2010 13:42 GMT
#785
I do not wanna offend Idra but why does he leave instead of playing oGSTop
Writer and moderator for TaKeTV.net
iknifeducks
Profile Joined October 2010
United States10 Posts
December 11 2010 13:52 GMT
#786
wow this i sick!
"Send 'em to Jesus"
sk4rsn1k
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany25 Posts
December 11 2010 13:57 GMT
#787
IdrA i saw you 2 times go gas/pool be4 hatch against T, you said that its not viable couse of economical and production capacity disadvantage... can you shortly coment on this ? .. found a way to make it viable? ... or did u just knew they go 2 rax and punish em for that?..

im 2.5k zerg and still endless things 2 learn xD

thx keep up your good work for the comunity ..
Roi Danton
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany1 Post
December 11 2010 14:08 GMT
#788
Thx for sharing your games!
Kang19
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 14:10:51
December 11 2010 14:09 GMT
#789
On December 11 2010 22:10 KimchiBreath wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
While I would love to hear that Idra is practicing 12 hr days in preparation to pwn some noobs in next year's GSLs, I'm equally happy to hear that he's spending some of his less crucial practice time giving back to his fans -- the stream is awesome btw!


I absolutely agree. However opportunity cost is the issue here.

+ Show Spoiler +
That being said, I've heard Idra complain about his practice environment before -- left to play mostly ladder -- so I think he agrees with needing a way to test/discuss builds and get immediate feedback, but it's sounding the EG house is going to be his answer to this instead of a coach. Heck, Tasteless might already be doing this role since he's the Team Manager.


This is the exact issue that I am aware of and why I proposed certain solutions.

+ Show Spoiler +
Like Kang19 said, we're not informed on his exact training schedule, so 1.2k word essays on what he's doing wrong and how he could do better from someone with no starcraft/e-sports background comes off as a bit pretentious.


Trust me, I have no interest in deliberately acting pretentious to impress a select group of people outside of my country with no direct relationship to me.

+ Show Spoiler +
ps: I admit to having to look it up so you might have to correct me, but for someone so against using ad hominem in an argument it seems like you did it first when you insulted most everyone here to make your post more credible.


I made an observation through many months of reading through forum related comments and I can give numerous examples where the greater majority held a belief which I find ridiculous.

However it should be obvious by now, that this was an incredibly small and unimportant introduction that was not intended to be a live issue of contention.

@Kang

+ Show Spoiler +
Right, so every example you've given consists of someone who is not an expert in a field of knowedge knowing the rudimentary elements of that field. As much as I'm sure you'd love to tell IdrA that having more Drones gives you a better economy and that practice leads to perfection, I think he can do without you.


I think you should leave the disingenuous criticism aside for a while and actually read the tips which you are contending are either uninformed or too rudimentary to be of use. Most of them have nothing to do with whether I know how to micro and macro and go to the technical concepts of game mechanics and general practice regimes, to which only a basic understanding of Starcraft 2 is necessary.

+ Show Spoiler +
The number of foreigners in Korea has grown substantially the past few weeks and will continue to do so. Whether IdrA wants to expand his circle of friends that he can openly talk strategy with to all of them or keep it to Artosis, Ret, and whomever else he has chosen is his business. He certainly doesn't need Aussie lawyers to waste his time by telling him that Overlords can fly over gaps and cliffs.


This is precisely the ignorance that I expected from someone who does nothing but use ad hominem attacks to present a point which is completely unconstructive. Idra does only have Artosis, Tasteless, Ret to which he is willing to have free communication discussing game mechanics.

Conclusion : I believe that I am qualified to give general advice because I am intelligent. As I've mentioned time and again, I don't get pride by boasting on the internet. I've got my CV and academic transcripts to do that.

I was the dux of my high school, and have won three awards for mercantile law units, I've done internships in Ernst and Young, UBS Investment Bank, Goldman Sachs, Freehills, Allen Arthur Robinson, and Blake Dawson and have tutored finance units at my university.

Even with a basic understanding of Starcraft concepts, I feel more than qualified than Artosis, Tasteless or Ret in giving a basic guidelines on how to properly train for a game which a fifteen year old could learn how to play.

The line of argument that some posters on this site feel is that I should be a competitive player in order to give general advice. This is not true. If we accept this fallacy, then we would assume that those in charge of military strategy in the Pentagon need to be ex top marines. Clearly this is not the case. Some of the advice I have given Idra are very basic and do not require any game knowledge. I hope any more criticism of what I write can be a little more useful than attacking me on my 'pretentiousness' which never was the core of my so called '1000 word essays'.


How is pretentiousness not the core of your posts when you spend more time talking about where you went to school and how you're smarter than the average TLer than anything else? I'm two semesters from graduating the honours program of physics at my university, which is just a bit more prestigious than law, yet I had no need to bring it up in previous posts because it is absolutely irrelevent.

I feel that the people who have been playing this game for the past 12 years (ie. everyone that IdrA talks to) are more than well aware of how to prepare and practice. Even though you are smarter than IdrA, a recipient for a full scholarship into theoretical physics, have faith in him knowing how to train. Okay? Thanks.

User was temp banned for this post.
Ascor
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany104 Posts
December 11 2010 14:22 GMT
#790
Idra is the Man!
He just annihalated Select!
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
December 11 2010 14:22 GMT
#791
Nice game vs select!
KimchiBreath
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 14:39:14
December 11 2010 14:37 GMT
#792
How is pretentiousness not the core of your posts when you spend more time talking about where you went to school and how you're smarter than the average TLer than anything else?


It was a mere few lines, until you and numerous other TL felt obliged to commit to making it the core of your arguments. To which I ultimately offered an explanation which you quoted above.

I'm two semesters from graduating the honours program of physics at my university, which is just a bit more prestigious than law


I will refrain from commenting on this comment with as much bluntness as I usually would, simply to avoid an unnecessary flame war.

Suffice to say, entry to law in most Australian Universities is much higher physics. And lawyers not only earn more but are generally more respected. Let's leave it at that and not have a dick measuring contest.

As I have mentioned again, again and again, please address the content and not the form of my sentences. My background was a mere precursor to having the comment taken seriously. Having a full scholarship to physics has no direct correlation to blind "faith".

Please, let's leave it at that and let Greg interpret my comments as he will. I have no interest in resuming a conversation continuing your analysis of my achievements and continuing to make personal attacks irrelevant to the content of my posts. If you feel like you need to discuss this further, feel free to PM me. This is getting ridiculous and material which is borderline bannable for irrelevancy. I feel embarrassed that discussion on this area of my comment has continued this long. Apologies to Greg.
ITSmAnIaC
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany153 Posts
December 11 2010 14:44 GMT
#793
Ragequit?
BÄM!BAM!BAM!
FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
December 11 2010 14:47 GMT
#794
It greatly saddens me to see the side conversation in this thread.

IdrA vs SelecT today was incredible for those of you who were able to see it
Artosis:  "It's like Detroit in there."   Tasteless:  "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings."
Kang19
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada102 Posts
December 11 2010 14:48 GMT
#795
On December 11 2010 23:37 KimchiBreath wrote:
Show nested quote +
How is pretentiousness not the core of your posts when you spend more time talking about where you went to school and how you're smarter than the average TLer than anything else?


It was a mere few lines, until you and numerous other TL felt obliged to commit to making it the core of your arguments. To which I ultimately offered an explanation which you quoted above.

Show nested quote +
I'm two semesters from graduating the honours program of physics at my university, which is just a bit more prestigious than law


I will refrain from commenting on this comment with as much bluntness as I usually would, simply to avoid an unnecessary flame war.

Suffice to say, entry to law in most Australian Universities is much higher physics. And lawyers not only earn more but are generally more respected. Let's leave it at that and not have a dick measuring contest.

As I have mentioned again, again and again, please address the content and not the form of my sentences. My background was a mere precursor to having the comment taken seriously. Having a full scholarship to physics has no direct correlation to blind "faith".

Please, let's leave it at that and let Greg interpret my comments as he will. I have no interest in resuming a conversation continuing your analysis of my achievements and continuing to make personal attacks irrelevant to the content of my posts. If you feel like you need to discuss this further, feel free to PM me. This is getting ridiculous and material which is borderline bannable for irrelevancy. I feel embarrassed that discussion on this area of my comment has continued this long. Apologies to Greg.


But that's just the thing. IdrA already replied to your post and showed absolutely zero interest in you or your points. Yet you continue posting about how you are worthy of having your opnions heard and understood. The average TLer would've taken that and accepted the fact that IdrA doesn't care, but I guess you're above the rest and need to keep talking.
Fellblade
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom6 Posts
December 11 2010 14:51 GMT
#796
Stop replying to kimchi and his shitty trollposts already.
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 15:15:28
December 11 2010 14:53 GMT
#797

How is pretentiousness not the core of your posts when you spend more time talking about where you went to school and how you're smarter than the average TLer than anything else?.


Agreed. Kimchibreath sounds like a massive ****. I've read so many posts about how he's getting internships at law firms and how good his education is and what awards he has gotten, and corrections to other people's grammar. Then he goes on to say that law is generally more respected than physics. What a douche. Look at what those of the physical sciences have contributed to humanity, then look at what lawyers have contributed.

Spaceships and wireless internet > Promissory estoppel

Q.E.D.

Kimchibreath rebuts the posit that physics is more respected than law by bringing up the fact that the UAI (score) cut-off is higher for law. Kimchibreath should know that the supply and demand for law subjects apposed to physics subjects has nothing to do with respectability. His next attempt at a refutation is the pay gap between physicists and lawyers. What a tard lol.


User was warned for this post
hellsan631
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States695 Posts
December 11 2010 15:00 GMT
#798
On December 11 2010 21:31 IdrA wrote:
when i try to login to ustream it says my logins invalid, and then when i try to do a password reset it says theres too many requests from my ip

anyone had this before/know how to fix it?


I would try contacting them via support asap. They can usually get these issues resolved very very quickly (at least they've always done so for day9).
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
December 11 2010 15:03 GMT
#799
On December 10 2010 15:06 KimchiBreath wrote:
scientists are often inarticulate in expressing thought coherently other than in mathematical algorithm.


Source? What evidence do you have to back this incredible assertion? What sample size of observations are you working with?
letmegopls
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
105 Posts
December 11 2010 15:04 GMT
#800
woot
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