EPTAnyway. I expect Spain doing better than in the last worldcup (Players are less tired and some of them are in very good form like Iniesta). But I don't expect them to win. I expect Ro8 or Ro4.
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
Anyway. I expect Spain doing better than in the last worldcup (Players are less tired and some of them are in very good form like Iniesta). But I don't expect them to win. I expect Ro8 or Ro4. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 31 2016 22:18 Harris1st wrote: Wow that is harsh Boateng and Hummels utter trash? hmm... you mad bro? Guessing for Hector and Höwedes as LB and RB, quite solid actually. Midfield good at ball holding? Yep, also good at passes in the deep and shoting Attack, well we have the Müller factor and a Gomez who seems to be in the form of his life. But true: Other teams have a better attack While I was hyperbolic, Germany's defense is still quite poor. Hummels and Boateng may be one of the best CB pairs out there, but Hummels is injured and the team has no quality fullbacks. The team lost Lahm and was running 3 CB's in the back 4 at WC14 and they haven't improved whatsoever. This leaves them horrendously exposed to counters which is exactly what has happened since the world cup. As for offense, it doesn't matter how many good midfielders you have when you don't have a reliable striker. Again, the team lost Klose and didn't gain anyone to replace him, and the striker position was weak back in the world cup. The team has repeatedly demonstrated that they aren't a very dangerous attacking team and have pretty much been winning games through overwhelming possession. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
So who wins, if all those nations are trash?  Looking at various international betting sites we have: (taking the odds from betway, but order was the same on the international pages without bias) 1. France 4.33 - even without Benzema and Sakho and always troubles in their team chemistry... the home team is the favourite 2. Germany 5.00 - Squad sucks, everyone bad, losing pretty much all their friendlies since the WC. Still... World Champion, the image of being a tournament team and actually still a damn good squad... 3. Spain 6.00 - Average age must be around 45 years, or so it feels. Whatever... They have still insane quality, they are defending champion... 4. England 9.00 - As I said earlier, it is more likely that the Netherlands win this Euro than England. This is proven by history (not qualified teams won the Euro more often than England) - still... their team looks quite capable and the hype train is rolling (like every tourney...) 5. Belgium 12.00 - Whenever there is no tourney, they are considered the best team in the world. And then a tourney happens and they are just mediocre... 6. Italy 17.00 - They were good once... Somehow it faded. Also the presence of Italian players outside the Italian league got drastically reduced over the past years. You hear from time to time about some great talents, but the results are still lacking. 7. Portugal 21.00 - Christiano Ronaldo, and according to certain people so many great talents. Oh and always hated by the refs or so they say. Yeah... Whatever. Probably not enough. Then agian, if CR scores 10+ goals, maybe it is enough. 8. Croatia 29.00 9. Austria 41.00 10. Poland 51.00 ... 22. Hungary 251.00 23. Northern Ireland 251.00 24. Albania 401.00 | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
As long as they manage to play like a team (which they have never done without Zidane... lol)... | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6972 Posts
On May 31 2016 23:32 mahrgell wrote: Well... It is funny how all the teams are talked down. Well except England, but you all know what being England means. So who wins, if all those nations are trash? i just wait for the Powerrank and then i place my bets ^^ | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15352 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On May 31 2016 23:56 Pandemona wrote: To be honest, i will back my power rank in betting terms, and i will give you a super secret Pande Leicester Tip :D (aka outsider who will be nice Each Way monies) ? super secret Pande Leicester Tip has to be England keke | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2607 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6240 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On May 31 2016 23:24 Stratos_speAr wrote: While I was hyperbolic, Germany's defense is still quite poor. Hummels and Boateng may be one of the best CB pairs out there, but Hummels is injured and the team has no quality fullbacks. The team lost Lahm and was running 3 CB's in the back 4 at WC14 and they haven't improved whatsoever. This leaves them horrendously exposed to counters which is exactly what has happened since the world cup. As for offense, it doesn't matter how many good midfielders you have when you don't have a reliable striker. Again, the team lost Klose and didn't gain anyone to replace him, and the striker position was weak back in the world cup. The team has repeatedly demonstrated that they aren't a very dangerous attacking team and have pretty much been winning games through overwhelming possession. Germany scored the most goals in the 2014WC and lost exacly one player, a 36year old who could barely manage more then 45 minutes a game. How does that lead to "The team has repeatedly demonstrated that they aren't a very dangerous attacking team". And "and have pretty much been winning games through overwhelming possession." ist just wrong. The team shined the most in the past with great midfield pressure and counter attacking (hints the 48% ball possesion in the wc semis). Honestly i dont really care about friendlies or qualifikation games because most of them are very meaningless for the players and the result. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On June 01 2016 02:39 Micro_Jackson wrote: Germany scored the most goals in the 2014WC and lost exacly one player, a 36year old who could barely manage more then 45 minutes a game. How does that lead to "The team has repeatedly demonstrated that they aren't a very dangerous attacking team". And "and have pretty much been winning games through overwhelming possession." ist just wrong. The team shined the most in the past with great midfield pressure and counter attacking (hints the 48% ball possesion in the wc semis). Honestly i dont really care about friendlies or qualifikation games because most of them are very meaningless for the players and the result. We lost Klose, Lahm, Mertesacker and Kramer of the players that actually played enough to matter. That's 4 instead of 1. | ||
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malcram
2752 Posts
England has a decent squad, I'd put money on England, seriously. Belgium has great players, just look at the fucking names in their squad, but they are not a "TEAM". lol... I would be supporting Netherlands as usual...oh wait...nvm... Go France and England i suppose...  | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 01 2016 02:39 Micro_Jackson wrote: Germany scored the most goals in the 2014WC and lost exacly one player, a 36year old who could barely manage more then 45 minutes a game. How does that lead to "The team has repeatedly demonstrated that they aren't a very dangerous attacking team". And "and have pretty much been winning games through overwhelming possession." ist just wrong. The team shined the most in the past with great midfield pressure and counter attacking (hints the 48% ball possesion in the wc semis). Honestly i dont really care about friendlies or qualifikation games because most of them are very meaningless for the players and the result. Germany's game against Brazil is a statistical anomaly that heavily skews their scoring statistics in WC14. Aside from that, they scored 4 (in game 1 against Portugal), then 2-1-2-1-1. Germany absolutely did not win the WC on the back of their offense; they won it through the midfield, a great back line (minus a real LB), and some lucky misses from Argentina in the final. The fact that their offense was mediocre to begin with, and then they lost their best true striker (who was quite old, as you pointed out) only supports the fact that the team hasn't improved at the striker position whatsoever since the WC. As I mentioned as well, losing the best RB in the world to international retirement also really hurts your defense. Germany has had a long stretch of unconvincing wins dating back to the WC. Their games against the U.S., Algeria, France, and Argentina were all solid (they were still the best team in the tournament back then), but nothing close to dominant. A slew of friendlies and qualifiers since then have ended in unconvincing fashion (where they win by a goal or two when they should've won by a lot more, and just held onto possession without looking threatening in attack) or outright draws/losses when they should do better. People always rationalize this by saying that friendlies/qualifiers don't matter, but that wisdom ("Germany underperforms unless they're in a tournament") simply ignores the fact that we just fell short of a trophy for 18 years. I'm honestly confident in Germany having the most talented pool of players in the world right now. The problem is a combination of 1) injuries and 2) coaching. There is no logical reason to have strong hopes in the team winning it all right now, as all indications point to some glaring problems for the team right now. They'll probably make it to the quarters or semi's, but once they hit a team like France/Spain/Italy, I have no doubt they'll bow out and disappoint. While Germany wasn't dominant in the WC, they were still clearly the best team. This time around, several teams look significantly more dangerous than in the WC (primarily France/Spain/England), while Germany only looks worse than they did in the WC. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On June 01 2016 02:39 Micro_Jackson wrote: Germany scored the most goals in the 2014WC and lost exacly one player, a 36year old who could barely manage more then 45 minutes a game. How does that lead to "The team has repeatedly demonstrated that they aren't a very dangerous attacking team". And "and have pretty much been winning games through overwhelming possession." ist just wrong. The team shined the most in the past with great midfield pressure and counter attacking (hints the 48% ball possesion in the wc semis). Honestly i dont really care about friendlies or qualifikation games because most of them are very meaningless for the players and the result. Do you completely ignore Lahm's existence or what? lol While I hate Lahm as a person he was the most gifted player in the current German national team since he pretty much started his career. His loss, plus Klose who perfectly fit into Löw's system and also delivered vital goals and positioning you lost two of the most important players. Plus considering that Schweini's form is a question mark, you pretty much only have Neuer, Ozil and Kroos left for performing players. Germany has really become weak with the loss of Lahm, Klose and Schweinsteiger (did he even play in the last few years?). Also Mertesacker was maybe not a gifted or world class player but he was one of the leaders in this team. EDIT: Anyone who considers betting on Austria: please save your money. Watch how Alaba performs in the Austrian national team (own goal vs Malta) | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
That said, rashford isn't the one that pisses me most. We have Wilshere who missed the whole season being picked over Drinkwater who had a fantastic title winning season. Wilshere has talent and can change games no doubt, but he is a really big gamble. Then there's Henderson who makes even less sense. He is injured and had a mediocre season. We can close one eye about Wilshere because he has the x-factor, but Henderson is a limited player. Really little reason to select him over Drinkwater. I'd argue that noble deserves a spot too, but its a little hard to appreciate his abilities. Reputation over form. Heh. England's going to flop once again, but what's new. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On May 31 2016 23:44 sharkie wrote: France is pretty big favourite to win the Euro for me. As long as they manage to play like a team (which they have never done without Zidane... lol)... with the holes that is the defense i don't think that france can confirm as a favourite one, a lot of injuries as far as i know (not expert on it, but i read a lot since a few days), but i can be wrong as the true favourite right now though i won't say anything since i do not have enough info and expertise on the matter | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On June 01 2016 05:55 Makro wrote: with the holes that is the defense i don't think that france can confirm as a favourite one, a lot of injuries as far as i know (not expert on it, but i read a lot since a few days) as the favourite right now i won't say anything since i do not have enough info and expertise on the matter you are the favourites on the process of elimination plus home advantage | ||
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