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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 21 2016 22:41 GMT
#261
On June 22 2016 06:27 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, what we need for the last playday is:
Belgium loses by 1 or 2, nobody cares what Italy does


Well you want Italy to draw or win otherwise your losing Belgium is out of the tourny
Neosteel Enthusiast
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
June 22 2016 00:58 GMT
#262
On June 22 2016 07:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 06:27 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, what we need for the last playday is:
Belgium loses by 1 or 2, nobody cares what Italy does


Well you want Italy to draw or win otherwise your losing Belgium is out of the tourny

Oh true, then they would be 4th :D I just looked if they were better than Albania+Turkey, but getting to 3rd would be needed first :D
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
June 22 2016 01:49 GMT
#263
So now we only have 4 possibilities for the groups 3rds. But the only way the third of group F doesn't qualify would be for Portugal to lose and I don't think it'll happen. So we have:

BCDF: France vs N. Ireland / Wales vs Turkey / Germany vs Slovakia / Croatia vs Iceland or Portugal or Hungary
BCEF: France vs Belgium or R. Ireland / Wales vs N. Ireland / Germany vs Slovakia / Croatia vs Iceland or Portugal or Hungary

With the second configuration, France could also play Sweden but it would require Sweden to beat Belgium and R. Ireland to beat Italy with 2-3 more goals of difference than Sweden.

God this bottom bracket is staaaacked. I put Croatia as one of the favorites, I'm not even surprised they beat Spain, now they have an easy way to the semis and possibly the final!
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
June 22 2016 03:01 GMT
#264
On June 22 2016 10:49 WillyWanker wrote:
So now we only have 4 possibilities for the groups 3rds. But the only way the third of group F doesn't qualify would be for Portugal to lose and I don't think it'll happen. So we have:

BCDF: France vs N. Ireland / Wales vs Turkey / Germany vs Slovakia / Croatia vs Iceland or Portugal or Hungary
BCEF: France vs Belgium or R. Ireland / Wales vs N. Ireland / Germany vs Slovakia / Croatia vs Iceland or Portugal or Hungary

With the second configuration, France could also play Sweden but it would require Sweden to beat Belgium and R. Ireland to beat Italy with 2-3 more goals of difference than Sweden.

God this bottom bracket is staaaacked. I put Croatia as one of the favorites, I'm not even surprised they beat Spain, now they have an easy way to the semis and possibly the final!



It's All about Gareth Wales !!!
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
June 22 2016 06:15 GMT
#265
I find the "bottom bracket is stacked" posts funny.

The reason why a lot of "good" teams are in the bottom bracket, is because they failed to win against ppl from the top bracket

The best team so far imo is Croatia, and they're in the top half.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
June 22 2016 06:36 GMT
#266
On June 22 2016 15:15 Laurens wrote:
I find the "bottom bracket is stacked" posts funny.

The reason why a lot of "good" teams are in the bottom bracket, is because they failed to win against ppl from the top bracket

The best team so far imo is Croatia, and they're in the top half.


Doesnt matter, its still stacked.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 06:40:39
June 22 2016 06:38 GMT
#267
On June 22 2016 15:15 Laurens wrote:
I find the "bottom bracket is stacked" posts funny.

The reason why a lot of "good" teams are in the bottom bracket, is because they failed to win against ppl from the top bracket

The best team so far imo is Croatia, and they're in the top half.


France, Germany, Italy, all finished first and ended up in the bottom half, and are a more impressive trio than Wales, Croatia, Group F winner. And as runner-ups Spain and England are more impressive (in repute at least) than Switzerland or Poland.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
June 22 2016 07:06 GMT
#268
On June 22 2016 15:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 15:15 Laurens wrote:
I find the "bottom bracket is stacked" posts funny.

The reason why a lot of "good" teams are in the bottom bracket, is because they failed to win against ppl from the top bracket

The best team so far imo is Croatia, and they're in the top half.


France, Germany, Italy, all finished first and ended up in the bottom half, and are a more impressive trio than Wales, Croatia, Group F winner. And as runner-ups Spain and England are more impressive (in repute at least) than Switzerland or Poland.


Yeah based on repute it's stacked, no disagreement there.

I've not been impressed by Italy. They parked the bus v Belgium and scored on counter (2 beautiful goals, I give you that). Lukaku should've tied it up with his amazing chance he got, ah well.

Poland and Wales have shown they are on the same level as Germany/England.

Portugal and Belgium will (hopefully) join the top half too.

I'd be more excited for a Croatia - Belgium semi than Germany - France but I may be biased
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 22 2016 08:48 GMT
#269
On June 22 2016 16:06 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 15:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 22 2016 15:15 Laurens wrote:
I find the "bottom bracket is stacked" posts funny.

The reason why a lot of "good" teams are in the bottom bracket, is because they failed to win against ppl from the top bracket

The best team so far imo is Croatia, and they're in the top half.


France, Germany, Italy, all finished first and ended up in the bottom half, and are a more impressive trio than Wales, Croatia, Group F winner. And as runner-ups Spain and England are more impressive (in repute at least) than Switzerland or Poland.


Yeah based on repute it's stacked, no disagreement there.

I've not been impressed by Italy. They parked the bus v Belgium and scored on counter (2 beautiful goals, I give you that). Lukaku should've tied it up with his amazing chance he got, ah well.

Poland and Wales have shown they are on the same level as Germany/England.

Portugal and Belgium will (hopefully) join the top half too.

I'd be more excited for a Croatia - Belgium semi than Germany - France but I may be biased

You'd be more excited to see 2 second zone team play in the semi-finals than a staple a European Football that has so much history. This is not bias, this is you being a hipster.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
June 22 2016 09:07 GMT
#270
Group stages are a bad predictor for the rest of the tournament. Team often underperform at first and grow into the tournament later. Belgium has also been pretty bad except for one half. I don't see why they'd be preferred over Italy or another big country.
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
June 22 2016 11:06 GMT
#271
At least the final should be even. On one side, one big team that had to play 2-3 big games and on the other side, no big team that could just go up to the final without any trouble.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9285 Posts
June 22 2016 11:09 GMT
#272
I just hope some 3rd place team won't win this tournament in Greek style
You're now breathing manually
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 11:43:36
June 22 2016 11:43 GMT
#273
On June 22 2016 18:07 RvB wrote:
Group stages are a bad predictor for the rest of the tournament. Team often underperform at first and grow into the tournament later. Belgium has also been pretty bad except for one half. I don't see why they'd be preferred over Italy or another big country.

Yes, some team step up and others dont in knockout stages. However, I think that in >80% of tournaments in the last decades, the eventual winner was a teams that has won its group.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
June 22 2016 11:54 GMT
#274
On June 22 2016 20:43 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 18:07 RvB wrote:
Group stages are a bad predictor for the rest of the tournament. Team often underperform at first and grow into the tournament later. Belgium has also been pretty bad except for one half. I don't see why they'd be preferred over Italy or another big country.

Yes, some team step up and others dont in knockout stages. However, I think that in >80% of tournaments in the last decades, the eventual winner was a teams that has won its group.


Just looking at the EUROs... 3/7 since 1988 (Netherlands, Denmark, France and Greece all failed to win their group but became EC). It looks different for worldcups though, 7/7 since 1990.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7130 Posts
June 22 2016 14:04 GMT
#275
On June 22 2016 20:54 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 20:43 Mafe wrote:
On June 22 2016 18:07 RvB wrote:
Group stages are a bad predictor for the rest of the tournament. Team often underperform at first and grow into the tournament later. Belgium has also been pretty bad except for one half. I don't see why they'd be preferred over Italy or another big country.

Yes, some team step up and others dont in knockout stages. However, I think that in >80% of tournaments in the last decades, the eventual winner was a teams that has won its group.


Just looking at the EUROs... 3/7 since 1988 (Netherlands, Denmark, France and Greece all failed to win their group but became EC). It looks different for worldcups though, 7/7 since 1990.


Spain it is then
They were the only ones smart enough to not win their group. Or maybe they just thought: "nahh our bracket side is boring, lets go play with Italy, France and Germany instead"
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
June 22 2016 15:09 GMT
#276
Spain is still my favorite. Italy is the ideal big team opponent, no high press, no talent forward. Then they have to beat Germany to win this euro anyway and I think they're superior to them (unless Low decides to change his tactics to be more about counterattacking but I doubt he will). Then the rest would be weaker, England, France, Croatia, Poland...
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
June 22 2016 18:02 GMT
#277
Iceland - Austria. Wasnt the last goal off side? Not the goal giving pass but the long pass that gave Iceland the opportunity in the first place?
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
June 22 2016 18:06 GMT
#278
On June 23 2016 03:02 OminouS wrote:
Iceland - Austria. Wasnt the last goal off side? Not the goal giving pass but the long pass that gave Iceland the opportunity in the first place?


it was a deflection iirc.

Island 16 hype!!!
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18614 Posts
June 22 2016 18:29 GMT
#279
On June 23 2016 03:02 OminouS wrote:
Iceland - Austria. Wasnt the last goal off side? Not the goal giving pass but the long pass that gave Iceland the opportunity in the first place?


There is no offside if it's in your own half
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13324 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-23 02:22:08
June 23 2016 02:21 GMT
#280
Jesus, the bottom half of the bracket is O_O

Top half is wide open. How did Portugal luck into that!? Belgium a really good chance to make final.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
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