EPTTSL4 Critique - Page 4
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Ireniicus
United Kingdom374 Posts
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TriZen
England219 Posts
I wasn't hyped, I still am not.. I don't look forward to the TSL every weekend like I previously did. Personally, for me, this is because of the lack of certain foreigners.. Idra.. etc.. They didn't earn their place! I get that I just think a lot of viewers have the mentality that I do, just sharing the reason I am not enjoying this TSL. I can't get myself hyped for Koreans in the TSL, I always felt TSL was special but this time it feels like "another tournament" full of Koreans. I know that my view is mine alone, and maybe 99$% of the community disagree with me and I hope thats so! The people playing rightfully earnt their spots  | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3433 Posts
All in all, whomever was in charge of this TSL has done a poor job, in my opinion. It's nice that we can have this tournament, but so far it has been *completely* overshadowed by competition and all the things we have come to associate with the TSL are nowhere to be found this time around. I don't think I'll even tune in to watch the rest of the games, I simply do not care anymore, I'm afraid. | ||
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gods_basement
United States305 Posts
also not having the inbetween game and pregame on youtube is a huge turn-off, I really could not care less about the players, because i dont want to spend 8 hours a day watching starcraft. there should be some appeal to the timeshifters like me, so that we get the full experience. | ||
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101998
United States318 Posts
The other thing I would touch on is the production value. In game is fine for me, but the pregame intro and theme feels amateurish and in this type of event the intro dictates a surprisingly large president for the pacing of the broadcast. The song sounds like something out of a video game soundtrack in the early 2000s rather than a professional piece of music. I hate to say it after seeing that long post about how hard the dude who made the song worked, but it is what it is. I remember getting so many of my friends into SC2 with TSL3 videos because the intros made the players look like badasses. It gave a lot of soul to the people that are invisible in an online tournament, it made them feel real. The animated stuff this time around feels try-hard and (graphically) way too busy compared to Glider’s smooth simplistic portraits. I would also say Chill is an odd caster to be paired with the giants in the SC2 world. It is a bit like if a sports talk radio host sat down next to a top sports commentator, the talk show host isn’t fucking anything up but there is an experience and skill gap between the two that makes the broadcast feel clunky. I get that he has always casted TSL, but you don’t get points for being nice guys and hiring your buddy because you have always hired him - You get points for making the hard decisions and putting on the best possible show regardless of tradition. Bottom line is, I watched TSL3 because I enjoyed myself every broadcast. I am not watching TSL4 because the production feels weak and I feel like there are better things to do with my time. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 21 2012 15:21 True_Spike wrote: I do believe this is the worst TSL so far. The production value has been nothing special, koreans lack personality, caster duos don't work as well as expected, I don't feel any hype and it seems the TL.net itself focuses more on things it can sell than the actual tournament at hand (things like the tsl+, tsl merchandise). The TSL website has been a total failure as well. Despite being played online (no venue, no costs of any kind whatsoever other than paying the casters) the prizes are relatively low (and this time we have ads, tsl merchandise, tsl+, a lot of ways for the tl.net to get money back). All in all, whomever was in charge of this TSL has done a poor job, in my opinion. It's nice that we can have this tournament, but so far it has been *completely* overshadowed by competition and all the things we have come to associate with the TSL are nowhere to be found this time around. I don't think I'll even tune in to watch the rest of the games, I simply do not care anymore, I'm afraid. You know Spike I cannot help but agree with you. Way more issues than the past tournaments when it comes to quality. The TSL has lost its niche and it was bound to happen with all the other shit happening in the scene. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On August 22 2012 01:27 101998 wrote: To be perfectly honest, Chill is probably the best of the four in my opinion. Just because someone's done a lot of commentating of big-ticket events doesn't make him "a giant in the SC2 world". On the contrary, even: Artosis and Tasteless were much better commentators before they got comfortable with their positions in the SC2 world. Then they started coasting, filling lots of airspace with inane jokes, etc., and, IMO anyway, their commentary suffered.I would also say Chill is an odd caster to be paired with the giants in the SC2 world. It is a bit like if a sports talk radio host sat down next to a top sports commentator, the talk show host isn’t fucking anything up but there is an experience and skill gap between the two that makes the broadcast feel clunky. I get that he has always casted TSL, but you don’t get points for being nice guys and hiring your buddy because you have always hired him - You get points for making the hard decisions and putting on the best possible show regardless of tradition. | ||
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WoistBehle
Germany37 Posts
I absolutly loved the drawings, the Intro music the hype-everything about the TSL 3 production, even the casters seemed to operate better. TSL 4 seems like a random tournament. Maybe they are to many tourneys going on-but even with that keeping in my mind it is not what i expected from TL. The seeding were quite unfortune imo. Maybe a combination of invites(Stephano; TL-Players, EG Huk, Idra, MC etc.) and qualifiers would have been better. Maybe not even in a competitive way, but it would have buffed the viewing experience a lot. | ||
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Zion9
Romania347 Posts
Personally I don't care about second hand koreans at all. If it would be some bigger names from the Korean scene I might watch it . And ofcourse there is less interest due to the lack of foreigners...Last season was really special considering basically it was the first time ever foreigners met koreans, and not any kind of Koreans....Boxer, Nada, Fruitdealer, MC and so on... I'm really sorry to say this but I'm dissapointed. Its my personal opinion not a global one, so don't missunderstand me, I even bought TSL+ (to mention here, I have a 100/100 mb connection, but in 1080 and 1080+ stream lags so I bought TSL+ for nothing) . Hopefully next season will be much better | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 23 2012 00:35 Zion9 wrote: I share the same opinion as those who think TSL4 is not as good as TSL3... Personally I don't care about second hand koreans at all. If it would be some bigger names from the Korean scene I might watch it . And ofcourse there is less interest due to the lack of foreigners...Last season was really special considering basically it was the first time ever foreigners met koreans, and not any kind of Koreans....Boxer, Nada, Fruitdealer, MC and so on... I'm really sorry to say this but I'm dissapointed. Its my personal opinion not a global one, so don't missunderstand me, I even bought TSL+ (to mention here, I have a 100/100 mb connection, but in 1080 and 1080+ stream lags so I bought TSL+ for nothing) . Hopefully next season will be much better Let me get one thing straight. These players aren't second-hand Koreans ok? The organizers have to do everything in their power to help create content on the players that are in it. The onus isn't just on the players. Unfortunately the Opens have left something to be deserved from day 1 of the original TSL. As you can see some players had to back down or simply cannot make certain times (See Stephano bowing out of one of the mid-opens where he had a very good chance of advancing/winning, but of course he has to participate in his sponsor's/team's tournament). For the first two TSLs we had the luxury of having a ladder hosted by wgtour/iccup but we don't have that luxury anymore and it would be too much work to build another website template where players would have to upload every win let alone the calculations for one tournament. Thanks Blizzard. People want to see the best players competing and no barriers to entry. They're doing their best to accomodate everyone unfortunately it won't always work. If there is anything TL can do better it would be to try and generate more content and publicity for the given players so the community has something to rally behind. Not just faceless interviews. You need to generate more content or else it's going to be very hard to get hype. | ||
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give.ViviD
Sweden235 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 22 2012 01:27 101998 wrote: It has been touched on, but the all qualifier nature of this tournament leads to zero hype for me. I remember for TSL3 every week I was excited because the biggest names were playing or someone who had taken down a big name was playing. That was the magic of Thorzain, he went through Fruitdealer, Tyler and MC – by the time he hit the semis everyone knew he was a bad ass. All the players left in TSL now feel so random I am not even sure if I am going to watch or not (barely watched RO8). None of these players have the personality that make players like Stephano, MC or MKP popular and none of these players have mind blowing skill that make low personality Koreans like MVP or Taeja interesting. (I get that Taeja lost and that is out of their control, but having 3-4 interesting players in a 32 man lineup is something that could have been controlled) The other thing I would touch on is the production value. In game is fine for me, but the pregame intro and theme feels amateurish and in this type of event the intro dictates a surprisingly large president for the pacing of the broadcast. The song sounds like something out of a video game soundtrack in the early 2000s rather than a professional piece of music. I hate to say it after seeing that long post about how hard the dude who made the song worked, but it is what it is. I remember getting so many of my friends into SC2 with TSL3 videos because the intros made the players look like badasses. It gave a lot of soul to the people that are invisible in an online tournament, it made them feel real. The animated stuff this time around feels try-hard and (graphically) way too busy compared to Glider’s smooth simplistic portraits. I would also say Chill is an odd caster to be paired with the giants in the SC2 world. It is a bit like if a sports talk radio host sat down next to a top sports commentator, the talk show host isn’t fucking anything up but there is an experience and skill gap between the two that makes the broadcast feel clunky. I get that he has always casted TSL, but you don’t get points for being nice guys and hiring your buddy because you have always hired him - You get points for making the hard decisions and putting on the best possible show regardless of tradition. Bottom line is, I watched TSL3 because I enjoyed myself every broadcast. I am not watching TSL4 because the production feels weak and I feel like there are better things to do with my time. I agree with everything said here. I thought it was just me being more out of touch with sc2 now (used to watch every major tourney last year) and now all I watch is GSL (maybe too much going on now? dunno). But I felt like this TSL is really lame, interesting to see this is a more common opinion than I had imagined. Don't feel any hype at all  | ||
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
On August 23 2012 02:59 Divinek wrote: I agree with everything said here. I thought it was just me being more out of touch with sc2 now (used to watch every major tourney last year) and now all I watch is GSL (maybe too much going on now? dunno). But I felt like this TSL is really lame, interesting to see this is a more common opinion than I had imagined. Don't feel any hype at all Adding my vote to this. I understand completely that it's impossible for any tournament to "guarantee" top foreigner vs Korean action, but it seems to me that a lot could be fixed by having 50-50 invite and qualifiers, as was suggested elsewhere in the thread. Must be said that I also got TSL+ and am regretting it now, unfortunately. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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Sharkas
Germany19 Posts
Think about it for a sec.... | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
I expected much more in the writing department. More content. More interviews. More analysis. More. Just more. Next time please plan the event to include more features beyond games. You can't control who is left in a tournament so the audience is interested, but you can definitely control hype. I mean, I personally am really interested in 3 of the 4 remaining players and the right content could easily get me interested in Sting. TSL3 was probably on par with this production, but it was in an age where we weren't as spoilt for tournaments as we now are. TSL4 just feels like a part of the crowd and it needed to step things up to meet expectations. Don't be too closed off next time. TSL is a community hyped event, nothing more. Bring the community into the planning next time else please. | ||
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laoji
United Kingdom382 Posts
TSL4 hasnt got the same vibe at all for me personally and i can't quite put my finger on why. Major and JRecco getting past the first round showed a hint of the storyline of TSL3 maybe starting to show its head again but with the way the rest of the matches have gone i find myself completely underwhelmed with it all. | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
edit: looked it up on liquipedia (sep 1), still someone should fix the page... | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On August 23 2012 09:23 laoji wrote: TSL3 was the perfect tournament because of the story lines that went through it and the amazing tense final. TSL4 hasnt got the same vibe at all for me personally and i can't quite put my finger on why. Major and JRecco getting past the first round showed a hint of the storyline of TSL3 maybe starting to show its head again but with the way the rest of the matches have gone i find myself completely underwhelmed with it all. Too me TSL2 was the perfect tournament, but anyways(; For me TL runs short on the information section. It bugs me if a TSL playday is rescheduled and i happen to know by the time the ticker runs down to 0:00:00. I usually have other stuff i`d like to do aswell on weekend evenings and it's majorly annoying if the given information isnt reliable. Furthermore the streaming quality is quite bad. Constant lags, robo-apollo and the complete crash a few times. I understood this pretty well when TL was a comparable small bw site, but with the amount of money tl.net should be able to make nowadays by merchandise and adds i don`t see why, to be frank. Perhaps im misjudging the financial situation, but it doesnt fit together for me. On the other hand it is not really fair to compare the TSL with an MLG or IPL event productionwise, im aware of that. Difficult issue. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Now, if I want that, I have to go to REDDIT. That is a little bit shanefull for TL And honestly, I really dislike the theme music. It is just generic noise. The intros, music and overall atmosphere were outstanding in TSL3, but seem very standart in TSL4. | ||
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