EPTIn short, a lot of people aren't as excited for TSL4 because the finalists are two "faceless" koreans (in reality a lot of foreigners are as faceless as the so called faceless koreans: however the "not hardcore" viewer might still prefer to follow white people), whereas in TSL3 both the finalists had great story-lines.
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
In short, a lot of people aren't as excited for TSL4 because the finalists are two "faceless" koreans (in reality a lot of foreigners are as faceless as the so called faceless koreans: however the "not hardcore" viewer might still prefer to follow white people), whereas in TSL3 both the finalists had great story-lines. | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
As you advertised the TSL4 page as "the only place you need to follow TSL4" at the start, I feel a bit disappointed.  Or did I miss something? | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
I'm not sure if the field (which seems less interesting than TSL3), or just my general waning desire to watch SC2 tourneys, but I didn't feel the hype this time. Even when I look at the finals matchup, I have to confess I know very little about the players. In contrast to TSL 3 where there were several first round match-ups that looked very enticing on paper. I can't critique the actual production, because I haven't watched any of the games. | ||
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MuazizTremere
Netherlands67 Posts
Will esports survive in the western world? Look how much qq'ing there is in a hardcore site dedicated to starcraft about boring players. This has nothing to do with the foreigners not keeping up, There are enough Koreans that are interesting to watch. It's just that the really mechanical macro-style can-only-do-1-build players are boring. I don't like watching Thorzain for that reason, for example. He just plays a boring style. On top of it, Protoss is fairly dominant at the moment and anything that involves Protoss is extremely dull to watch. The games being boring is not TSLs fault. | ||
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xmungam
United States1050 Posts
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Tanoshii
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I'm sorry if I offended anyone. TL <3 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Well, I'd just like to say that I've been completely uninterested in TSL4 for a very long time now. I'd attribute that to the inclusion of Korean players. I loved all 3 TSLs before it, but this one I just haven't felt like watching after the Ro16 like, at all(And I'm not sure if I'll feel like watching the finals either). Apart from that, Chill should be casting every single game. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On September 08 2012 21:19 Shikyo wrote: Oh, a critique thread? Well, I'd just like to say that I've been completely uninterested in TSL4 for a very long time now. I'd attribute that to the inclusion of Korean players. I loved all 3 TSLs before it, but this one I just haven't felt like watching after the Ro16 like, at all(And I'm not sure if I'll feel like watching the finals either). Apart from that, Chill should be casting every single game. Pretty much this. The next TSL (I hope there will be one) definitely needs to be partly invitational again. In times of SC1 TSL was the only thing that mattered for foreigners (except of WCG) so every one of them dedicated their time to the qualifiers. With TSL3 the tournament was still quite unique... now you have big offline tournaments almost every other week and plenty of online tournaments. No wonder some of the top players just didn't find the time/will to participate in the qualifiers and because of that many uninteresting/sub-par players got in. How about: 3 invited GSL players, 3 invited Kespa players, 5 spots for korean qualifiers, 8 invited foreigners, 13 spots for NA/EU qualifiers... | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On September 05 2012 05:50 matiK23 wrote: Which brings the question: Will esports survive in the western world? Look how much qq'ing there is in a hardcore site dedicated to starcraft about boring players. Let's face it. The amount of foreigners are dwindling because they can't keep up and gradually becoming irrelevant. And the casual watchers, which probably make up the mass of viewers, want to watch SC strictly for their oh-so-fun foreigners because of their "personalities" which IMO is overrated and are as equally as boring as the Koreans, if not more boring. At least when you watch Koreans playing in Korean events, they're more comfortable with being themselves. The fighting game community is in constant growth, and they have way stronger "roots" than the SC2 community, so they're probably the future. | ||
Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
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baileypfr
United States13 Posts
P.S. congrats to Creatorprime!!!!!! For Aiur!!!! | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
The reason why TSL4 felt weak was because the players that made it to the later rounds lack exposure. A lot of us don't even know who Sting is. Written Interviews are not going to cut it anymore. Since this is already an online tournament, and we don't get to see much of the players anyway... Suggestion: Try using Skype to interview the players. Fans need to see the competitor's faces, see their emotions, see their reaction to winning. Without such, the tournament lacks the depth it strives to have. And the players lack the coverage they deserve. | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
It's not like Keen, Life and Creator aren't big names. | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
3830 Posts
On September 09 2012 01:18 Waxangel wrote: we hipster You go man Good suggestions from neo | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
On September 09 2012 14:39 neoghaleon55 wrote: I want to bring this up. The reason why TSL4 felt weak was because the players that made it to the later rounds lack exposure. A lot of us don't even know who Sting is. Written Interviews are not going to cut it anymore. Since this is already an online tournament, and we don't get to see much of the players anyway... Suggestion: Try using Skype to interview the players. Fans need to see the competitor's faces, see their emotions, see their reaction to winning. Without such, the tournament lacks the depth it strives to have. And the players lack the coverage they deserve. this won't help. Nobody will admit it but people just wanna watch foreigners. Its stupid but people don't care how good the players all. They just wanna see mediocre foreigners like Goody and Nony somehow winning. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
where was the pokerstrategy.com sponsorship? the pokerstrategy.com tsl sounds so cool.. Im just frustrated because last time was so good and I was so pumped the whole time. this time was like boop boop its over, well i guess i will see a vod in a month. maybe even see creator prime play one more time. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On September 09 2012 23:07 Doubting wrote: this won't help. Nobody will admit it but people just wanna watch foreigners. Its stupid but people don't care how good the players all. They just wanna see mediocre foreigners like Goody and Nony somehow winning. I don't think this is true. I want to see see the best of the best GSL players. If they make an attempt to speak english, all the better. I think Neo brings up something important. I knew very little about any of the 4 final players, and I think that TL did a poor job of introducing us to them. | ||
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Nvar
Denmark150 Posts
On August 21 2012 10:26 TriZen wrote: This may just be me, but this TSL has been nothing (for me!) compared to the last one. I wasn't hyped, I still am not.. I don't look forward to the TSL every weekend like I previously did. Personally, for me, this is because of the lack of certain foreigners.. Idra.. etc.. They didn't earn their place! I get that I just think a lot of viewers have the mentality that I do, just sharing the reason I am not enjoying this TSL. I can't get myself hyped for Koreans in the TSL, I always felt TSL was special but this time it feels like "another tournament" full of Koreans. I know that my view is mine alone, and maybe 99$% of the community disagree with me and I hope thats so! The people playing rightfully earnt their spots  I agree with you completly, this tournament has been nothing to me either. Just a bunch of mediocre koreans battling it out. A shame, TSL#3 finals still had some of the most amazing games i've ever watched. | ||
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