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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
my critiques are: 1. where are results? why there is no link on resultas in this part of forum but there is a R&S of qualifiers? i was on vacation for three weeks, without normal connection so i'm completely out of everything and it would be great just to see results. But i have to look for it at liquipedia etc. 2. tournament lasts too long. there are so many other tournaments in that period.. it should last max 4 weeks after qualifiers and people would be more attached | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 26 2012 22:15 purgerinho wrote: it is not organizers fault that there is no stephano or other big names.. they had 10 chances to get into the tournament but they wasn't interested enough my critiques are: 1. where are results? why there is no link on resultas in this part of forum but there is a R&S of qualifiers? i was on vacation for three weeks, without normal connection so i'm completely out of everything and it would be great just to see results. But i have to look for it at liquipedia etc. http://www.teamliquidstarleague.com/ Just select the round you want results up to. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
For the players, they have plenty of tournaments to choose from. This leads to a lot of players not being interested in the TSL or forgoing the TSL in favor of other tournaments. Some Koreans didn't even bother trying (like Mvp) and some foreigners could have qualified but they didn't because they weren't focusing on it (Stephano). For the viewers, there are too many tournaments. It takes away the uniqueness factor of TSL, until it just becomes one tournament. One tournament out of TSL, IEM, IPL, GSL, WCG, WCS, MLG, DreamHack, Assembly, ESWC, OSL, Iron Squid, Red Bull LAN, Campus Party, more??? Sorry, TSL isn't a special tournament anymore. For the organizers, the writers have too much to keep up with. Just look at WCS recaps, MLG writeups, GSL previews, you name it. They don't have enough time for full, in-depth TSL coverage. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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zamfeer
1 Post
One critique I have that's a really simple fix is the repetition of the intro video before each and every set. I know there's a longer one and a shorter one, but even the short one breaks up the flow of the commentary and the momentum of the match. I'm a big fan of the artwork used, but after seeing (and hearing) it over a dozen times it just became annoying. Less is more. Just play the long one at the beginning of the broadcast and the shorter ones in between matches, not sets. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
I guess it's not a fair comparison because TSL2 was a foreigner tourney and TSL3 happened to place 2 foreigners in the final. But there's lots of people on TL that just want high-level play. But also those who want big names. I guess with Sting, Life, Creator, and Keen, we've lost some interest, but a tournament's quality is not solely dependent on names. People still tuned in for all of those ZvZ MSLs (Hydra vs Great lol). So I don't really have a suggestion, except to try and find that community connection you had before for when you throw TSL5. Also I don't really like the qualifier system. | ||
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
TSL4 imo was a hit and a miss with the soundtrack. :/ not an expert on music, but it just sounded like generic rock music. Classical with a choral background is always safe for inducing nerd chills. High-profile Invites were SORELY needed. The minute I saw names like Daisy, Bischu, or Babyknight, I had fears that were unfortunately confirmed as TSL4 went on. I was severely underwhelmed by pretty much 75% of the player pool's skill. That isn't an exaggeration. Sure, keep the invites to a minimum to keep any particular group of players from dominating from too early on (cough Koreans), but come on... No MC? No HerO? I'm sure my bias is showing.... but the qualifier system was just inherently flawed when it comes to some of the coin-flippy shit that is essentially SC2. .___. (A small disclaimer: I've watched all three mentioned play before, in qualifiers and team arenas and was not impressed even then, as opposed to J.REcco who I never heard of before TSL4, hence the name-dropping.) My point is way better articulated by previous posters, but essentially, I would have not disagreed with inviting 6 top koreans, then hold 10 qualifiers solely in the Korea region. Then invite 10 top foreigners, with 6 qualifiers. ^ I'm sorry if this comes across as me trying to tell you guys how to run a tournament, which I assuredly could not do even if I tried, but it's a proposed solution for the "dilution of skill" feeling I get when I watch tune in for TSL. TSL3 was one of the best tournaments I ever tuned in for - so much so that it's probably the sole reason I failed the final exam for my government class. And I didnt/don't regret it. Naniwa/Thorzain was epic. Production was fantastic. Intro/hype videos accomplished their mission. Beautiful experience. I sincerely wish I felt it again for this one but I just don't. EDIT* - Just saw that my post is almost an exact iteration of a previous one and I apologize.  Crossing fingers for TSL5. Thanks for reading. | ||
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Oldfool
Australia394 Posts
On August 26 2012 23:10 Plexa wrote: http://www.teamliquidstarleague.com/ Just select the round you want results up to. Ro8 results aren't showing up for me. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Are you serious? Is this supposed to be a joke? You are really wishing to ruin your own tournament for people to put forward your disfunctional website? The videos on TSL4 website aren't spoiler free by a long shot, because all of them are on one fucking plain page with names of the players. It does not take a genius to figure out that the guy who is playing in Ro8 probably won his Ro16 match. Is it really difficult to have something like THIS on the oficial page of the event? Or can you at least not pretened that you have spoiler free VODs, when you simply don't? | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Well, that moreorless answers the previous post, doesn't it? TL does not give a * about spoiling their own tournament anymore. I understand that visiting some parts of the forum won't be the best idea if I don't want to know the results and that the "hide spoilers" checkbox is there just for show, but the fact that this is shamshed into my face even if I want to read General is just lol. | ||
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Ammoth
Sweden391 Posts
Now, I bought TSL+ since i knew I wouldn't be able to catch all the games live, I also like to watch in HD and support E-sports. However my viewing experience have not been what I expected, I don't know if it's your fault or youtube's. But I can not stream any of the games properly in higher quality than 480p without having to re-buffer and wait. And no, it's NOT my connection since I'm able to watch everything else on youtube flawlessly and I can watch other 1080p or 720p streams/videos and whatnot without any problems whatsoever. I don't know how to fix this or what is wrong but I wanted you to know, and maybe others are having the same problems and hopefully you can fix this, I don't care about spoilers or any of that crap, I just want to watch really good Starcraft without being interrupted every few minutes by a spinning circle of dots Hopefully this gets read. Thanks again for being awesome TL <3 | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
On September 02 2012 03:10 opisska wrote: "TSL4 Semifinals - Creator vs Sting and Keen vs Life cast by Artosis and Apollo is LIVE | Stream" Well, that moreorless answers the previous post, doesn't it? TL does not give a * about spoiling their own tournament anymore. I understand that visiting some parts of the forum won't be the best idea if I don't want to know the results and that the "hide spoilers" checkbox is there just for show, but the fact that this is shamshed into my face even if I want to read General is just lol. You're aware these results are two weeks old right? How do you expect us to promote and hype the remaining rounds without mentioning the players? | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
I fully agree that TSL4 doesnt feel as epic as TSL3, but part of that is just bad luck. So many complaints about the qualifying system, but it is by far the fairest system there is... . People complain about big stars lacking, and since some tournament organizers are scared of that they do rely heavily on invites, all but IEM, but if you want a fair system that rewards results, rather than what a player has done half a year ago, then invites just isnt the way. Last time there were only invites for Korea, now imagine if it had been invite only for EU as well, would anyone have given a damn about Thorzain? One reason there's less hype is that theres just so many freakin tournaments going on, and personally, yeah I kinda did hope that this time the prize pool would be bigger To end up with koreans that arent really fan favourites is just a bit unlucky, but these players damn sure deserve to be where they are. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:20 7mk wrote: god, so much bitching here... I fully agree that TSL4 doesnt feel as epic as TSL3, but part of that is just bad luck. So many complaints about the qualifying system, but it is by far the fairest system there is... . People complain about big stars lacking, and since some tournament organizers are scared of that they do rely heavily on invites, all but IEM, but if you want a fair system that rewards results, rather than what a player has done half a year ago, then invites just isnt the way. Last time there were only invites for Korea, now imagine if it had been invite only for EU as well, would anyone have given a damn about Thorzain? One reason there's less hype is that theres just so many freakin tournaments going on, and personally, yeah I kinda did hope that this time the prize pool would be bigger To end up with koreans that arent really fan favourites is just a bit unlucky, but these players damn sure deserve to be where they are. I don't disagree with anything you've said. In fact, it leads me to my other opinion that the scene would be a lot richer and events more meaningful if there were far less of them. In BW, there were about 6 major individual leagues per year (3 OSLs and 3 MSLs). Think about how many SC2 tournaments there have been since just new years. All the GSLs, plus the IEMs, IPLs, MLGs, RedBull, TSL... People aren't emotionally invested as much because once a tournament loses their favorite player(s) or the games stagnate, they just shift their focus to whatever else is going on in the scene, and by the time the tournaments end, there's a whole slew that begins all over again. TSL3 was basically the only major foreigner tournament in BW. But now TSL4 is forced to compete with OSL and GSL and MLG... And it forces pros to prioritize which tournaments they actually care about competing in. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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Gman1216
United States97 Posts
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Antihero
United States29 Posts
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
Its gotten really boring watching tournaments with personaityless koreans winning evey game, if it were koreans like MC, who has a persona and has a history and some fan interaction, then I wouldnt feel as bored. | ||
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
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