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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
August 13 2012 05:26 GMT
#41
I am not sure what it sounds like live, but in the VOD's the intro music is WAY too loud compared to the voice of the casters. Every game I have to turn the volume down to half for the intro then back to full for the game itself.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 13 2012 12:15 GMT
#42
"Colossuses" is extremely hard on the mouth when repeated over and over. The plural of templar is templars but lots of people say "three dark templar". Wheat certainly isn't the only caster that does this.

And yeah up the voice of the casters a bit. Sometimes I'll raise my volume a bit to hear casters better, then forget about it and make my ears bleed when I turn my music back on.

First day of Ro16 the obs was spot-on, even throwing in that little bonus with the Infestation Pit (as soon as he showed it off creep I was waiting to see if it died or not, Hotbid did that perfectly yesterday) and generally showing things people want/need to see.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 13 2012 19:03 GMT
#43
I'm sure you noticed as well, but Darkblue-Lightblue is not ideal for
these stats bars in the middle of the screen , dunno what they're called. :D
reference game curious vs squirtle
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Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
August 13 2012 19:40 GMT
#44
Skype distortion/lag when apollo talks doing the stream. I know this is out of your hands, but its kinda messing with the cast.
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 13 2012 21:18 GMT
#45
On August 14 2012 04:40 Advocado wrote:
Skype distortion/lag when apollo talks doing the stream. I know this is out of your hands, but its kinda messing with the cast.

In case you are using skype, there is an easy solution ^^
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
August 13 2012 21:47 GMT
#46
On August 14 2012 04:40 Advocado wrote:
Skype distortion/lag when apollo talks doing the stream. I know this is out of your hands, but its kinda messing with the cast.

We are only using Skype for video, but it likes to lag the audio too because it's a shit program.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 13 2012 22:07 GMT
#47
Are we having winner interviews for Ro16?
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Krieger
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany6 Posts
August 13 2012 22:18 GMT
#48
What's with all the issues this time around?
First the rescheduling, then the stream crashed yesterday and now it's broken again.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 13 2012 22:22 GMT
#49
...I'm assuming + Show Spoiler +
JonnyRecco won
based on the time?

I wanna see that game 3 tho.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
August 18 2012 18:59 GMT
#50
i think TSL broadcasts beeing rescheduled should be announced a bit earlier, like the 1hour delay for IEM Cologne. It's fine that you dont wanna interfere with that but you could have known beforehand and mentioned it would be delayed if IEM is going overtime.
Broodwar for life!
Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
August 18 2012 20:40 GMT
#51
Humpf, i am not sure why you didn't run with Adebisi in the first place, he is such a phenomenal Observer It's ok though, not great but ok.
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sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 11:05:22
August 19 2012 11:24 GMT
#52
the observing is mostly ok imo.

what I feel very strongly about is the Wheat/Chill combo.
they are both good commentators, but REALLY REALLY horrible analysts.

watching their cast I feel like they only stating the obvious.

couldn't you team them up differently? it's the worst casting combo (which isn't their fault. they're shit analysts, but decent commentators) I've seen in a while.

last night was a lot better.

However, I think that's just because Apollo is just one of the best commentator, as well as analyst out there.


So in conclusion...

=> Apollo + x is by far your best casting combo
=> imo x is best filled with day9
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
August 19 2012 11:46 GMT
#53
Regarding the observing, there's often moments where the observer goes to look at production/etc at really odd times.

In one TvP yesterday, 1 rax FE, 3 marines by a bunker that's about 10 seconds from completion, and a stalker starts moving up.

POW cut to protoss base to look at nothing in particular. Literally the only interesting thing that happened in the space of two minutes and it was not shown.

There's also some odd camera control during battles. Half the units are often off screen for no reason, and health bars are sometimes not shown.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Goosestep
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany10 Posts
August 20 2012 11:11 GMT
#54
It´s soooo boring this year... to many koreans ffs...
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 13:52:09
August 20 2012 13:46 GMT
#55
I don't recall the 6th of august games but as a general thing I'm quite shocked by OP's critique as I, on the contrary, find the observing to be very, very accurate and on the ball.

In fact I like them so much that I often log in twitch just to comment on that : "man, the observer is good".

So yeah, long story short, I do consider Hot_Bid a very, very talented observer. Intrigue is quite good, too. I don't know what happened on the 6th, but in general, I'm very pleased with the quality of observing on TSL.


€ : While am here, I want to add that TSL needs more Chill. Best balance of humour / perspective / knowledge and some sort of pride attached to the whole thing. Chill, get in, pretty please.
Resistance ain't futile
Quintall
Profile Joined August 2012
20 Posts
August 20 2012 15:28 GMT
#56
On August 20 2012 20:11 Goosestep wrote:
It´s soooo boring this year... to many koreans ffs...


Well, i believe it wont make u happy that all the KESPA pros are probably joining soon, so less foreigner more korean :D
MKP
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
August 20 2012 15:44 GMT
#57
On August 21 2012 00:28 Quintall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 20:11 Goosestep wrote:
It´s soooo boring this year... to many koreans ffs...


Well, i believe it wont make u happy that all the KESPA pros are probably joining soon, so less foreigner more korean :D



pretty sick first post, bro. /romanian


I can echo the sentiment of goosestep though. While one can't really control all the foreigners getting their socks rocked, it's pretty frustrating to have all korean ends to every. single. tournament. Usually it's whatever Code S players are there and maybe Thorzain or Stephano.

I wanted Thorzain to win, then I was like ok, I want Ret, then I said, well, Taeja is pretty awesome, then I said: welp guess I'm done.

Sorry that I don't watch it anymore because of something out of your control, but It really is no longer interesting when none of my favorites are in it, and there isn't even an underdog foreigner for which to root.

"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
August 20 2012 18:46 GMT
#58
Well TSL 1 and 2 ( the broodwar TSl's) were without korean pro's. Granted the differences in skill back then between top foreigners and koreans were much greater. It was a upset if a foreigner took a game away from a b-teamer. Literally. But if the development of the sc2 scene shows a parallel development we sure could go back to a foreigners only tournament. However i highly doubt it will evolve this way and foreigners still can win major tournaments and do pretty decent, though the likes of a Naniwa, Nerchio or Stpehano are seldom. Let's wait and see. I don't see a major flaw in the ongoing TSL as koreans are sure dominant but nut supressingly dominant.
Broodwar for life!
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
August 20 2012 18:57 GMT
#59
Imo the problem isn't the korean presence, it is the lack thereof. When you have qualifiers in every region you sacrifice skill for diversity, and you end up with a lot of "mediocre players" (don't get me wrong, qualifying at all is a feat). I think it is wrong to have foreigners in the tournament just because they are foreigners. It would be much more exciting if the foreigners actually qualified vs the top koreans because then you could assume that they could hold their own in their tournament. I don't know if I am the only one, but there are a lot of TSL4 matches I am skipping at this point after watching a lot of subpar play.

The casting could also use some work imho, I believe many have stated this above me, but I'll chip in. It is important to be professional enough to acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses of the casters so that they can fill the role they are supposed to. Theres a reason a strong analytic caster goes well with a witty play by play one. Most people want a bit of both, but recently there has been casts where it seems obvious that the casters aren't that up to date on how the matches are played. It makes them look worse than they actually are. DjWheat is the best example I think, because he is such a professional caster, with a great radio voice and he knows the trade so he has good synergy with everyone. But if you make him the analyst that is unfair to him, I think, because you make it clear that you didn't think things over and it reflects badly on him instead of the "administration".

TLDR: Skill > National diversity, have all the qualifiers open for everyone - you can still spread them out over the servers for lag issues. Casters are alright, but you really need to put more thought into who you pair up with who if you are to stick with the same bunch for the next TSL, not only for us, but also for their sake.

I hope it is read as constructive criticism, because overall I enjoy the tournament and I love that TeamLiquid bothers to throw a starleague for free for their fans.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2055 Posts
August 20 2012 19:08 GMT
#60
What's up with the ro8 VODs? They're best of seven and I can only watch the first five games out of YouTube. Somebody please fix this...
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