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Restrider
Germany129 Posts
And somehow it is satisfying to see someone in the professional area of gaming to be honest about IdrAs bad attitude and responding in a way, IdrA deserves. Nevertheless: These three games became an instant classic. The smiley of game 3 is priceless, as mentioned before. | ||
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Sc2ttyl
United States245 Posts
EDIT: I do realize that the last game Cruncher deserved to win. That was not imba it was just sneaky play that IdrA didnt prepare for. | ||
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psychopat
Canada417 Posts
On March 30 2011 04:32 ampson wrote: I loved Mondragon and NaDa's interviews. Mondragon has a good sense of modesty, or perhaps he is hustling us? I still don't quite know how good he is. In TSL2, he pretty much said he was the worst player left right from the start, all the way to the finals, even though everyone knew he was one of the favourites to win. Horribly understating his abilities is pretty much par for the course for Mondragon. There's a reason that more people voted for him than Zeerax in the brackets/liquibets even though no one had seen him in a SC2 setting... and that's not a shot at Zeerax's abilities at all. I've never been able to decide if it's false modesty (which is annoying) or if he actually has an inferiority complex... Either way, he has ridiculous amounts of RTS talent, even though he often doesn't practice as much as many other top players. However long he lasts in this TSL, I fully expect him to say he's the underdog in every interview until he's out or he wins the whole thing. | ||
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Mczeppo
Germany319 Posts
The people who say "Idra is right bla blah he is 10 times better, Cruncher shut your mouth" have to understand that those things dont matter. Show respect to your opponent, dont be cocky and if it is really the games fault that u lose all the time then stop it. It must be imba or something but i dont believe that this is the only reason someone like Idra loses from time to time. There might be some balance problems but Idra doesnt play perfect and makes mistakes too of course. Cruncher isnt bad at all obviously... idra should really act professional. I mean Jinro for example wouldnt rage like Idra did (i think... of course i dont know him). Even other zergs arent that offensive! I wrote this because i believe what cruncher wrote there is completely true. It's just not spoken out often enough. These Idra "fans" may say:" Thats what makes him great and it's kind of an Idra trademark" and so on... but really it's childish and he deserves the loss everytime he acts cocky and makes fun of his opponents before the match is even played. There isnt much to talk about: Idra manner up pls... Cruncher did the right thing maybe idra will learn it some day as well. I mean he got what he deserved that series... i think. Of course i dont know their b net history but i feel that Idra is the "bad guy" here just because he raged often enough in the past and offended other people just because he lost to them. Kinda looks like airs and graces to me. Other than that nadas interview is quite good he seems to be a nice guy. I also hope Mondragon will perform well the next games. He practiced with Testie, didnt even knew Testie plays sc2. Would be quite nice to see some of his games =) Edit: Quite some Idra bashing on my post sorry about that but one last thing just came into my mind: Look at Morrow. He is an absolutely great zerg player. Was in a final already and has really solid style. Who said Morrow isnt good, Morrow will never be someone with zerg? right... I dont hate on Idra but he really deserved that one now. He should change Oo | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:14 Sc2ttyl wrote: You all who like cruncher are sadly pathetic. IdrA has so much more talent it is hard for me to believe that you actually think cruncher deserved to move on. Just because Cruncher can abuse things as protoss does not make him good, which is why IdrA deserves to rage. I dont think that you should have to say GG to someone you know you are better than, but just abuses the game. It is like when the game first came out and everyone 5 rax reaperd... are those players better than you? Take a look at IdrA and Artosis's videos about why 2-3 base protoss turtle is imbalanced. The only reason IdrA took game two was because of the map size and distance between expansions. That gave him plenty of room to drop. On shakuras there is very little room and proper splitting of an army and a few cannons easily holds drops. For real though, Chruncher L2P please before you talk bad about IdrA. EDIT: I do realize that the last game Cruncher deserved to win. That was not imba it was just sneaky play that IdrA didnt prepare for. Game 3 was played pretty well by cruncher, not really impressed with game 1, Cruncher bad talking IdrA is completely justified. Still think Cruncher is pathetic as a person though. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 30 2011 05:59 Grumbels wrote: Wait, what, we have to cheer at trashtalking now "for e-sports"? There's a reason Chill makes fun of people who say that. Trashtalking to a certain degree actually adds more to the game than you think. | ||
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Sc2ttyl
United States245 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:18 Mczeppo wrote: There isnt much to talk about: Idra manner up pls... Cruncher did the right thing maybe idra will learn it some day as well. I mean he got what he deserved that series... i think. this ^ really? IdrA can say what he wants to say. Don't act like its "being unprofessional" or something just because it offends you. There is no rule in life that says you cannot speak your mind. As for Cruncher, iam not saying the stuff he said was bad either because he just spoke his mind. In the end, IdrA did not "get what he deserved" because that would mean a victory.I wonder why there are so many protoss now adays, because iam sure half of them play the style that actually wont allow you to alt-tab during a game and win (http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/us/1/all) | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
I don't agree with what IdrA has said to him, but in the way Cruncher is responding, he is just bringing himself down to IdrA's level. Calling IdrA overrated? Thats just silly, hate or love him, IdrA has been a consitent top 3 foreigner since the beta, thats an un-arguable fact. But w/e, for Crunchers sake, I hope he realizes that a lot of the things he said could easily apply to himself. The metagame is in protoss's favor right now, there is no denying that. Once a balance patch comes through, or the metagame changes, he's going to have to be practicing just as much as IdrA if he wants to be sucessful and not Silver 2.0. just my 2 cents | ||
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ENM_Alexb
United States129 Posts
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Mczeppo
Germany319 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:32 Sc2ttyl wrote: this ^ really? IdrA can say what he wants to say. Don't act like its "being unprofessional" or something just because it offends you. There is no rule in life that says you cannot speak your mind. As for Cruncher, iam not saying the stuff he said was bad either because he just spoke his mind. In the end, IdrA did not "get what he deserved" because that would mean a victory.I wonder why there are so many protoss now adays, because iam sure half of them play the style that actually wont allow you to alt-tab during a game and win (http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/us/1/all) What was special about idras play in the last game? Overdroning? You're right he is without any doubt the better player overall... What i really mean is that he deserved it because he talked about an "easy win" beforehand. There are other zerg players that also know the balance problems sc2 has but most of them actually dont insult everyone. It's not about skill what i talk about it's about behaviour. Im not too srict on that u can tilt from time to time but Idra does it too often. Just dont be an ass Oo | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
"If you consider your opponent beneath you, the only thing that you'll ever learn is humility." I find it more eloquent than "Blind arrogance sucks". | ||
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gamefan15
50 Posts
wasnt Idra saying things like "you gotta relieve your anger" when he talks about his bm. so this is ok when you are unsatisfied with the general state of the game, your opponent plays his best and wins games vs you (what a crime) or its ok to trashtalk players right off the bat.. ..but when someone gets disrespected and offended as a player several times then the healthiest way is to bottle everything up, right? (irony) sure in a perfect world you wouldnt "get down on the same level" etc.. I am also not cheering cruncher to give Idra shit back.. I just dont like this onesided judgements. but maybe Idra cares less than some of his fans and doesnt got this double standard view himself. | ||
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isospeedrix
United States215 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
Rekrul explains it well: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 | ||
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Restrider
Germany129 Posts
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Restrider
Germany129 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:47 Mczeppo wrote: What was special about idras play in the last game? Overdroning? You're right he is without any doubt the better player overall... What i really mean is that he deserved it because he talked about an "easy win" beforehand. There are other zerg players that also know the balance problems sc2 has but most of them actually dont insult everyone. It's not about skill what i talk about it's about behaviour. Im not too srict on that u can tilt from time to time but Idra does it too often. Just dont be an ass Oo I totally agree with you. There is no doubt IdrA is a strong player and he has shown in the last months his stamina, experience and good mechanics. But all games with IdrA I really do remember well contain some kind of raging and insults from IdrAs side. In my opinion IdrAs style is somehow conservative and thus boring to watch (just my opinion). In fact I know IdrA more because of his attitude and the whole drama in some games than because of his gamestyle. And the YouTube show "Imbalanced" he made with Artosis. I dont know, the whole show is kind of biased. I have mixed feelings with that and I tend to Day9s opinion about that. In conclusion: I am also frustrated after a loss and I sometimes start to say insults (but only in front of the screen). Usually the "worst" I do is to ragequit without gg (in ladder games). But if I would insult someone, because I lost to him, and if I knew that thousands would see it, I just would be embarrassed and would feel like a stupid idiot for behaving like a 3 year old child. IdrA should accept that for being a great player and not only a good player,you need some kind of humbleness and respect to your opponents. Who will respect you, if you do not respect anyone else? IdrA is just making a fool of himself with this kind of behaviour. Edit: Sorry for doubleposting. I got confused a bit. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
 Great interviews! | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:29 JackDino wrote: Trashtalking to a certain degree actually adds more to the game than you think. ? I didn't say what I thought of the whole trashtalking aspect of the game, just saying that people who get annoyed by it shouldn't be silenced just by blindly exclaiming "..for e-sports!". SC2's growth is supposed to come from an interested audience, and saying "be interested!" when a part of them aren't isn't exactly the best way to argue. People have a right to their opinion and they shouldn't be shunned because it doesn't fit into your arbitrary model for how to grow e-sports. Personally, I find this whole aspect of Idra tiresome as first of all it's never about the games, always about some controversial remark, and second, it's entirely predictable. I realize just that's my opinion and that others might disagree, so at least I'm not dressing it up as battling for the higher cause of e-sports, or something | ||
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Quasimoto3000
United States471 Posts
On March 29 2011 12:39 Thurokiir wrote: Wait... TESTIE HELPED MONDRAGON TRAIN? /listen /listen /listen /listen More people need to be talking about this. TESTIE!!!! | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
These are the things Idra regularly falls back on when he loses. That's not a sign of character. Anyone who thinks that it is 'a good thing' for esports to have prominent players come across like immature school children needs to reconsider. How is acting like kids going to get it taken seriously? You want esports taken seriously, act like you, your game, and everything involving it, deserves and is inherently possesssing a degree of dignity and respect. Neither Cruncher nor Idra's behaviour is good for esports. It is good for a laugh though. | ||
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