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Gaius Romanus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States48 Posts
April 01 2011 19:57 GMT
#561
Good for Cruncher talking back and standing up for himself.... but calling idra "overrated" and saying he's not that good unless he practices all day (what players should be doing) is just stupid, and Cruncher look retarded for saying it.
"If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr.
m0rg3n
Profile Joined March 2011
25 Posts
April 01 2011 22:27 GMT
#562
Someone who won a game by clicking in circles should take great care calling other people overrated imho
"I thought he'd be frustrated, especially since [Huk] can't beat me in a real game..." Idra
Double
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany22 Posts
April 01 2011 22:44 GMT
#563
So much talk about that idra vs cruncher stuff.

Congrats to Mondragon, you can do it man!
Electrolyte
Profile Joined November 2010
England8 Posts
April 02 2011 21:59 GMT
#564
Loving the smiley face from CrunCher, in the third game, pure genius!
Common sense isn't as common as we're led to believe...
Tekie
Profile Joined January 2011
16 Posts
April 03 2011 02:45 GMT
#565
On April 02 2011 07:27 m0rg3n wrote:
Someone who won a game by clicking in circles should take great care calling other people overrated imho


calling someone a walkover right before doing so many wrong decisions ingame (beginner mistakes), is not much better, or? Cruncher should have said "I feel fine, nothing special. It was just a walkover" ^^
bloodorc44
Profile Joined January 2011
United States31 Posts
April 03 2011 06:10 GMT
#566
Great games! Mondragon's performance was excellent! Was a bit disappointed by how Cruncher handled his interview, however.
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
April 03 2011 16:45 GMT
#567
On April 02 2011 04:04 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
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On April 01 2011 12:42 xbankx wrote:
On April 01 2011 09:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On April 01 2011 08:38 xbankx wrote:
On April 01 2011 05:20 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On April 01 2011 04:52 xbankx wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:47 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:11 artanis2 wrote:
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On April 01 2011 00:56 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
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On March 31 2011 11:56 xbankx wrote:
On March 31 2011 07:21 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Meh, say what you want about IdrA, I'm just glad he says what he thinks, there's sure as hell enough fake people everywhere these days. Cruncher should really just get a tougher skin, just because someone said something honest about you doesn't mean beating him = winning every GSL forever or something, calm down about yourself.

Mondragon is a baller.


We can say the same about Cruncher. He says what he thinks and he is just being honest. Why should Cruncher get tougher skin when Idra doesn't. Typical Idra fan, somehow justifying Idra's action as honest/speaking his mind and others as BM when they are doing the same thing. Get a hold of reality please. Both are BM if you don't want to get BMed then don't BM in the first place. Cruncher in his interview never said how good he is so Im not sure where you are getting on about how he should calm himself down. All he said is Idra is terrible and you know what? Recent results speak for itself. While other zergs are taking down tournies left and right, Idra is QQing and not doing anything. He has been saying Morrow is terrible and worst zerg in the world for ages. Guess what? Morrow made it past round of 32 and also came in second to Ret at Assembly.

Nope, IdrA thinks MorroW is one of the better foreign zergs. And anyways, all IdrA said is that he thought the match would be a walkover - never said a thing about Cruncher himself except that he thought he could beat Cruncher easily. Apparently that's BM, I don't think so - maybe it's a little cocky but Cruncher really shouldn't get offended by that, he was the underdog and he knew it. Then Cruncher wins and is arrogant and immature as shit in his interview, just because he caused an upset?

Since you like comparing the "BM" of the two players, here's what went down:

IdrA: I think that beating Cruncher will be easy. Later: What Cruncher did in game 1 took no skill. What I did in game 2 did. You're not a very good player.

Cruncher: LAWL I love making IdrA "rage". IdrA is overrated and arrogant and nowhere near being a good player. It's so funny when he "rages" that I sacrifice the time I could spend getting better at the game just to piss him off. I have no respect for him. I love pissing IdrA off. IdrA's fans only like him because of the BM, not because of his play.

Judge for yourself, I suppose.


Here's what actually went down: IdrA directly insulted Cruncher on three separate occasions. Cruncher never insulted IdrA. Inciting rage in an opponent that has emotional problems is not an insult. is not an insult. "I knew he would rage because he lost" is not an insult.

IdrA is overrated and arrogant and nowhere near being a good player.

Seems just as bad as anything IdrA said.

And even if he didn't insult IdrA, he's acting like a child.



How can you say calling someone a walkover is not the same as calling them bad? I don't get your logic.

Idra to Cruncher: Walkover, can only win by 4 warpgate->bad player=insult
Cruncher to Idra: overrated player, terrible player when he isn't practicing

as a professional gamer, the worst insult is being called a walkover. I mean if Idra said something like "I think Im better than him, so I can win" Sure that is not insulting their skill level or even if he did it in a mannered way by saying "cruncher's mechanics is not at my level", but calling someone a walkover+win only be cheesing is.



The thing is no matter how much of an idra fan boy you are, I assume your reality still stays intact enough to realize what Idra said pregame is BM. Im not saying what Cruncher said postgame isn't BM because obviously it is. But I just feel Idra deserve every bit of it

Maybe he said he would be a walkover because Cruncher has no real notable wins in his past and was a relative unknown? I never said calling someone a walkover was not the same as calling them bad, I said they were equivalent - you said that Cruncher never insulted IdrA which is completely false.

In any case, Cruncher did win using Void Rays and he did win with a 6gate Allin, what IdrA said was relatively accurate.

I don't know why you keep calling me an IdrA fanboy either - it's not like I'm saying LAWL cruncher so bad idra rape him protoss op!!!1, I'm just saying that all the hate IdrA's gettting is uncalled for - all he did was tell the truth.



I clearly said what cruncher said is BM. My first post is if you say what Idra said is merely "telling the truth", we can technically say the same about what cruncher said.

Maybe you should dig deep in the quotes and find what you bolded.

EDIT: Shit that was someone else.

In any case, IdrA attacked Cruncher's play while Cruncher attacked IdrA himself. I do see a big difference between the two, but maybe other people don't care.



I don't get you. Cruncher did not even insult that much idra directly(unless I assume you count calling someone arrogant is super super BM but compared to what Idra said to him I don' even think it is that bad). He merely said Idra was a bad/overrated player which is no different than calling someone a walkover. Walkover=bad player. As for the make Idra rage part through cheese, that is just standard bad manner on bnet. Cheesing someone does not mean he is attacking idra even if he has the intend to make Idra rage. I get cheesed. I raged but it doesn't mean he is attacking me personally even if it is his intent to get me to rage.

The only attack of character is probably when he called Idra arrogant and I don't even think it is that bad considering what Idra said to him during game. Arrogant is not a "OMFG how dare he said that" phrase.


Calling someone a walkover = a comment on their skill
Calling someone arrogant = a comment on their personality

The difference in my mind isn't the severity of the insult but instead what you're insulting.


IdrA: "Q: If you had to introduce yourself to our fans who never met you, how would you describe yourself? Write a few sentences about your personality.

Personality should be irrelevant. This is a computer game tournament, not a dating show. "

I would think that to a person like IdrA and a die hard progamer, having their skill insulted in such a way would be much worse than being called arrogant. Its like Gordon Ramsay doesn't really give a rats ass if you think he's an angry douchebag but doesn't take crap when it comes to his restaurants and cooking.

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