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On March 30 2011 04:20 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 04:16 city42 wrote:On March 30 2011 04:03 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:59 city42 wrote:On March 30 2011 03:52 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:46 purpose wrote:
So to sum it up. If Idra lose he is not playing his best and so the opponent is just lucky. And when Idra is bm and troll people before they even played or deserved it, he is good for the interest.
But when a guy like Cruncher just respond to a cocky and bm attitude before the game was even played, he is bm and childish etc etc etc.
Yea that makes sens.
Tbh playing on top of your game is kinda what tourneys is all about. If you cant brin gout your A game when needed you are not the best simple as that. You cant go around claiming that a player is the best but that he just is not on top when it matters. No, the difference is, IdrA doesn't bm you to make you rage or feel bad, he's just venting his anger without thinking about that. Cruncher is just bming for the sake of making others rage. While I did think the smiley @ the end of that game was great, his interview is just bragging about how he thinks he made idra rage and it's just pathetic overall, it's nothing to be proud of. What was idra angry about when he made that walkover comment in the pre-match interview? That's not bm, that's just answering the questions honestly, as you can see from the matches it's not something he should've done. Thinking you're better than someone may be cocky in some situations, but in no way is it bm. Oh, I get it now. Idra was just being honest, but cruncher wasn't. Makes perfect sense. So artosis should punch cella in the face because cella was bm for saying team korea would take them out 4-1? Oh I get it now, makes perfect sense.
That doesn't even make sense, how did anything lead to that? If The world had won and Artosis had come back with a "bm" quote it would be reasonable. You're making it seem like what Cruncher said was 1000x worse then what IdrA had said.
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I loved Mondragon and NaDa's interviews. Mondragon has a good sense of modesty, or perhaps he is hustling us? I still don't quite know how good he is. And NaDa seems to just be an all around good guy. Cruncher just doesn't seem like the kind of guy I'd want to hang around.
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I hope Mondragon will come far in this tournament. It is a pleasure to see him playing 
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On March 30 2011 04:26 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 04:20 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 04:16 city42 wrote:On March 30 2011 04:03 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:59 city42 wrote:On March 30 2011 03:52 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:46 purpose wrote:
So to sum it up. If Idra lose he is not playing his best and so the opponent is just lucky. And when Idra is bm and troll people before they even played or deserved it, he is good for the interest.
But when a guy like Cruncher just respond to a cocky and bm attitude before the game was even played, he is bm and childish etc etc etc.
Yea that makes sens.
Tbh playing on top of your game is kinda what tourneys is all about. If you cant brin gout your A game when needed you are not the best simple as that. You cant go around claiming that a player is the best but that he just is not on top when it matters. No, the difference is, IdrA doesn't bm you to make you rage or feel bad, he's just venting his anger without thinking about that. Cruncher is just bming for the sake of making others rage. While I did think the smiley @ the end of that game was great, his interview is just bragging about how he thinks he made idra rage and it's just pathetic overall, it's nothing to be proud of. What was idra angry about when he made that walkover comment in the pre-match interview? That's not bm, that's just answering the questions honestly, as you can see from the matches it's not something he should've done. Thinking you're better than someone may be cocky in some situations, but in no way is it bm. Oh, I get it now. Idra was just being honest, but cruncher wasn't. Makes perfect sense. So artosis should punch cella in the face because cella was bm for saying team korea would take them out 4-1? Oh I get it now, makes perfect sense. Ah yes, comparing online trash talk to physical violence. We've now reached rock bottom. Even with that aside, if you can't see the difference between predicting a score and comparing an opponent to a walkover, you need to seek professional help. If idra was just being honest with that comment, then cruncher was just being honest when he stated that he thinks idra is overrated.
He's free to think idra is overrated, no one said that's rude, but if 80% of an interview states how you think you made your opponent rage and bragging about it, that's just fucking pathetic.
Saying Idra is overrated is fine, the smiley is fine but the interview was just sad.
On March 30 2011 04:27 Darkong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 04:03 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:59 city42 wrote:On March 30 2011 03:52 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:46 purpose wrote:
So to sum it up. If Idra lose he is not playing his best and so the opponent is just lucky. And when Idra is bm and troll people before they even played or deserved it, he is good for the interest.
But when a guy like Cruncher just respond to a cocky and bm attitude before the game was even played, he is bm and childish etc etc etc.
Yea that makes sens.
Tbh playing on top of your game is kinda what tourneys is all about. If you cant brin gout your A game when needed you are not the best simple as that. You cant go around claiming that a player is the best but that he just is not on top when it matters. No, the difference is, IdrA doesn't bm you to make you rage or feel bad, he's just venting his anger without thinking about that. Cruncher is just bming for the sake of making others rage. While I did think the smiley @ the end of that game was great, his interview is just bragging about how he thinks he made idra rage and it's just pathetic overall, it's nothing to be proud of. What was idra angry about when he made that walkover comment in the pre-match interview? That's not bm, that's just answering the questions honestly, as you can see from the matches it's not something he should've done. Thinking you're better than someone may be cocky in some situations, but in no way is it bm. Yes, it is BM. In any competitive sport pretty much the biggest insult you can make to someone is to dismiss them as being easy, not worthwhile or a walkover. There was no need for Idra to say that he was approaching this as a walkover even if he thought he was so much better, he could have just said he expected to win without the insult, that is pretty much the definition of bad mannered.
No it isn't, there's a difference between not being humble and trashtalking your opponent. You're confusing cocky with bm.
On March 30 2011 04:29 H20 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 04:20 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 04:16 city42 wrote:On March 30 2011 04:03 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:59 city42 wrote:On March 30 2011 03:52 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:46 purpose wrote:
So to sum it up. If Idra lose he is not playing his best and so the opponent is just lucky. And when Idra is bm and troll people before they even played or deserved it, he is good for the interest.
But when a guy like Cruncher just respond to a cocky and bm attitude before the game was even played, he is bm and childish etc etc etc.
Yea that makes sens.
Tbh playing on top of your game is kinda what tourneys is all about. If you cant brin gout your A game when needed you are not the best simple as that. You cant go around claiming that a player is the best but that he just is not on top when it matters. No, the difference is, IdrA doesn't bm you to make you rage or feel bad, he's just venting his anger without thinking about that. Cruncher is just bming for the sake of making others rage. While I did think the smiley @ the end of that game was great, his interview is just bragging about how he thinks he made idra rage and it's just pathetic overall, it's nothing to be proud of. What was idra angry about when he made that walkover comment in the pre-match interview? That's not bm, that's just answering the questions honestly, as you can see from the matches it's not something he should've done. Thinking you're better than someone may be cocky in some situations, but in no way is it bm. Oh, I get it now. Idra was just being honest, but cruncher wasn't. Makes perfect sense. So artosis should punch cella in the face because cella was bm for saying team korea would take them out 4-1? Oh I get it now, makes perfect sense. That doesn't even make sense, how did anything lead to that? If The world had won and Artosis had come back with a "bm" quote it would be reasonable. You're making it seem like what Cruncher said was 1000x worse then what IdrA had said.
Not saying what Cruncher said was 1000x worse than what IdrA said, just saying that cruncher's interview was rather pathetic.
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I can't believe I read nearly the entire thread, most of it is people who are in Idra's fanclub trying to hate on Cruncher. You're supporting the most arrogant and awful mannered person in this community, he's going to get flamed back and if he comes across the wrong person he'll probably get punched in the face as well.
No need to get so bitter over comments someone makes about your hero, especially not when your hero was the guy being a dick and basically asking to get flamed.
That said I absolutely love Cruncher's interview, it's about time someone said those things.
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On March 30 2011 04:39 dunc wrote:
I can't believe I read nearly the entire thread, most of it is people who are in Idra's fanclub trying to hate on Cruncher. You're supporting the most arrogant and awful mannered person in this community, he's going to get flamed back and if he comes across the wrong person he'll probably get punched in the face as well.
No need to get so bitter over comments someone makes about your hero, especially not when your hero was the guy being a dick and basically asking to get flamed.
That said I absolutely love Cruncher's interview, it's about time someone said those things.
It's mostly Idra's anti-fanclub hating on Idra, Idra did deserve it, doesn't mean cruncher's interview was a bit sad. Do it during the matches/after the matches, no need to keep bragging about how bad mannered you acted in an interview afterwards.
I didn't see zenio brag about his ceremony in the same manner after he won vs idra.
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On March 30 2011 04:36 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 04:27 Darkong wrote:On March 30 2011 04:03 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:59 city42 wrote:On March 30 2011 03:52 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:46 purpose wrote:
So to sum it up. If Idra lose he is not playing his best and so the opponent is just lucky. And when Idra is bm and troll people before they even played or deserved it, he is good for the interest.
But when a guy like Cruncher just respond to a cocky and bm attitude before the game was even played, he is bm and childish etc etc etc.
Yea that makes sens.
Tbh playing on top of your game is kinda what tourneys is all about. If you cant brin gout your A game when needed you are not the best simple as that. You cant go around claiming that a player is the best but that he just is not on top when it matters. No, the difference is, IdrA doesn't bm you to make you rage or feel bad, he's just venting his anger without thinking about that. Cruncher is just bming for the sake of making others rage. While I did think the smiley @ the end of that game was great, his interview is just bragging about how he thinks he made idra rage and it's just pathetic overall, it's nothing to be proud of. What was idra angry about when he made that walkover comment in the pre-match interview? That's not bm, that's just answering the questions honestly, as you can see from the matches it's not something he should've done. Thinking you're better than someone may be cocky in some situations, but in no way is it bm. Yes, it is BM. In any competitive sport pretty much the biggest insult you can make to someone is to dismiss them as being easy, not worthwhile or a walkover. There was no need for Idra to say that he was approaching this as a walkover even if he thought he was so much better, he could have just said he expected to win without the insult, that is pretty much the definition of bad mannered. No it isn't, there's a difference between not being humble and trashtalking your opponent. You're confusing cocky with bm.
Cocky is being over-confident but not necessarily insulting, what Idra did was insulting, and frankly being cocky is bad mannered anyway, please stop making excuses for Idra's behaviour, Crunchy's wasn't much better frankly but Idra should not make comments then fail to back them up, it just makes you look foolish and only serves to highlight what he said in the first place.
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I'm entertained by Idra getting a fractionally small piece of the BM he's dished out come back to him.
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On March 30 2011 04:44 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 04:39 dunc wrote:
I can't believe I read nearly the entire thread, most of it is people who are in Idra's fanclub trying to hate on Cruncher. You're supporting the most arrogant and awful mannered person in this community, he's going to get flamed back and if he comes across the wrong person he'll probably get punched in the face as well.
No need to get so bitter over comments someone makes about your hero, especially not when your hero was the guy being a dick and basically asking to get flamed.
That said I absolutely love Cruncher's interview, it's about time someone said those things. It's mostly Idra's anti-fanclub hating on Idra, Idra did deserve it, doesn't mean cruncher's interview was a bit sad. Do it during the matches/after the matches, no need to keep bragging about how bad mannered you acted in an interview afterwards. I didn't see zenio brag about his ceremony in the same manner after he won vs idra.
How did he act bad mannered in the games? The smiley? That is a bit BM yeah but considering the opponent said the match was a walkover it was not horrible out there.
Apart from that he is mostly lauging at IdrA raging, and dissing him pretty hard, in the interview. Hut he did not decide what questions to be asked, if you think the interview focuses to much on the "drama" blame the interviewer imo.
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In any gameplay related interviews, Idra comes out as logical and knowledgeable. He knows his stuff. You can question his bad manner, but questioning his ability at playing sc2 is a little over the top. Cruncher's interview gets no points from me.
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Well Cruncher was direct, It kind of makes me think twice about morrow said in his pre-interview. Even if your a established/qualified player, doing this loltroll against a GSL veteran shows his character. Regardless, awesome games, seeing some really interesting stuff. poor team liquid 
I'm really happy for Mondragon, he's my absolute favorite zerg player other than ret. (BW!!)
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I feel that the community's ridiculous sycophancy and bizarre korean-influenced attitude towards trash talk (such as referring to it as "BM") is a huge limiting factor towards starcraft becoming a respectable e-sport.
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On March 30 2011 05:13 Sideburn wrote:
I feel that the community's ridiculous sycophancy and bizarre korean-influenced attitude towards trash talk (such as referring to it as "BM") is a huge limiting factor towards starcraft becoming a respectable e-sport.
this^
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Crunchers just responded with the same candor and honesty that Idra fans revere. I don't see it as being BM or unprofessional at all. All he did was point out everything that we already knew: Idra is a player that relies more on hard work than talent, takes the game very personally, and can be extremely petty when he loses.
I'm a huge Idra fan by the way, but I don't pretend that some of the criticism of Idra's personality or game isn't unwarranted.
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On March 29 2011 22:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that people try to say that Cruncher just roled on the OP ness of toss. That when toss is on 3 bases pumping units zerg cant do shit. But how come Mondragon had no problem crushing toss on the same maps as Idra lost? I mean the skill between mondi and zeerax just cant be so much bigger then between idra and cruncher seeing how bad idra think that cruncher is.
If he is that bad and toss so op, then zeerax would have destroyed Mondragon easy but that did not happen.
Mondragons opponent took expos a lot faster than cruncher, and it helped that zeerax donated plenty of collusus to him. Zeerax played completely different than cruncher so its hard to compare the two matches.
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On March 30 2011 05:13 Sideburn wrote:
I feel that the community's ridiculous sycophancy and bizarre korean-influenced attitude towards trash talk (such as referring to it as "BM") is a huge limiting factor towards starcraft becoming a respectable e-sport.
Not really. If you want drama go watch Desperate Housewives.
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On March 30 2011 05:01 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 04:44 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 04:39 dunc wrote:
I can't believe I read nearly the entire thread, most of it is people who are in Idra's fanclub trying to hate on Cruncher. You're supporting the most arrogant and awful mannered person in this community, he's going to get flamed back and if he comes across the wrong person he'll probably get punched in the face as well.
No need to get so bitter over comments someone makes about your hero, especially not when your hero was the guy being a dick and basically asking to get flamed.
That said I absolutely love Cruncher's interview, it's about time someone said those things. It's mostly Idra's anti-fanclub hating on Idra, Idra did deserve it, doesn't mean cruncher's interview was a bit sad. Do it during the matches/after the matches, no need to keep bragging about how bad mannered you acted in an interview afterwards. I didn't see zenio brag about his ceremony in the same manner after he won vs idra. How did he act bad mannered in the games? The smiley? That is a bit BM yeah but considering the opponent said the match was a walkover it was not horrible out there. Apart from that he is mostly lauging at IdrA raging, and dissing him pretty hard, in the interview. Hut he did not decide what questions to be asked, if you think the interview focuses to much on the "drama" blame the interviewer imo.
The smiley wasn't actually bm, bad choice of words from me, bragging about making someone rage in an interview is just pathetic.
To the other poster, if you genuinly think you're far better than someone it's not bad mannered to say so, it would be bad mannered if idra would completely trash talk him saying he didn't deserve to be in the TSL. MC said about the same thing about his opponent.
Just IdrA looking silly for actually losing against a "walkover".
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Haha that smiley face in the Cruncher Idra game was the funniest thing ive seen.
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On March 30 2011 05:13 Sideburn wrote:
I feel that the community's ridiculous sycophancy and bizarre korean-influenced attitude towards trash talk (such as referring to it as "BM") is a huge limiting factor towards starcraft becoming a respectable e-sport.
Wait, what, we have to cheer at trashtalking now "for e-sports"? There's a reason Chill makes fun of people who say that.
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