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On March 30 2011 01:04 mesohawny wrote:lol @ cruncher, he gets outplayed and turtles up in game 1 winning with an imba unit composition that George Forman could win with, gets WORKED in game 2, and cheeses/gets lucky with a forcefield donut to win game 3... Then brags about it. How do protoss players feel when they donut roaches and win straight up like that? Doesn't that feel broken to them? I know that everyones ego will say "but im good! thats why i can do that!" but its not really the case... Its a broken mechanic that completely negates every zerg option until burrow movement or OL drop. Takes a lot out of the game, its not fun to watch at all... MC vs July was a joke, and so was this. I miss the real e-sports 
If Idra really outplayed him in game 1 then why did he even let Cruncher form the deathball? Seems a little silly to me to sit back and just let Protoss get three bases and build units almost completely uncontested, no drops, no trading of units and only roaches, hydras and corrupters, not exactly the strongest unit composition. And in game three, was it just bad luck that Idra was still building drones even as the toss forces were heading for his natural and he'd already scouted them? Why not make roaches or lings instead? Why were there no spine crawlers in place? Sounds more like either a stupid mistake or a foolish decision to me.
And how do you expect Cruncher to react after the way Idra talked about him in the run up to the game? I guarantee that 99.9% of the people comdeming him in this thread would do exactly the same as Cruncher after the disrespect Idra showed him. Maybe he should have taken the high road and not talked down to Idra afterwards but frankly I don't blame him and Idra should expect it after the way he behaved. If you're gonna talk shit about another player you better make damn sure you back your words up or you just end up looking like the fool.
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Another new Cruncher fan here, loved the interview. 
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On March 30 2011 01:04 mesohawny wrote:lol @ cruncher, he gets outplayed and turtles up in game 1 winning with an imba unit composition that George Forman could win with, gets WORKED in game 2, and cheeses/gets lucky with a forcefield donut to win game 3... Then brags about it. How do protoss players feel when they donut roaches and win straight up like that? Doesn't that feel broken to them? I know that everyones ego will say "but im good! thats why i can do that!" but its not really the case... Its a broken mechanic that completely negates every zerg option until burrow movement or OL drop. Takes a lot out of the game, its not fun to watch at all... MC vs July was a joke, and so was this. I miss the real e-sports
paraphrasing Tasteless "For all those jobbers out there who are complaining about imbalances etc etc"
At the highest level, some zerg players like Sen are really frustrated by forcefields. But ZvP is not broken yet thank you. Burrow play, drop play, overseer play (Sniping observers, contamination, etc etc), infestor play, blingvprotoss play, mass queen-transfuse play has yet to be fully explored. Idra also incidentally plays a VERY passive style, which he doens't have to. Game 2 showed his aggro micro ability and it was a total spectacle.
Not fun to watch? most of TL is totally mesmerised by TSL atm.
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I'm happy all these guys won (even though i voted against all of them ) ! They will make the TSL more awesome.
I'm a bit sad for Haypro and TLO though
PS: Cruncher did outplay Idra. Even if he is worse in mechanics (although i doubt micro), he was the much better player strategy- and tactics-wise. Idra got outplayed, get over it.
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i have to say after i read these interviews
i am a cruncher fan! =) !!!
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To be honest, having 'absolutely zero respect' for Idra doesn't make CrunCher come across any better to me. I didn't mind the smiley at all, it was deserved and funny.
He would have been a total boss if he'd kept it respectful towards Idra instead of counter-raging in the post-match interview imo =P
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The humility and respect for their opponents that Mondragon, Kas, and Nada all showed in their interviews was really nice to see.
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If you're a zerg player, that had to be painful to watch. Game 1, It's such a familiar scene to lose on Shakuras like that; not so bad when it's cross positions, but for me, when I get stuck on roach/hydra, even using drop to hit a lot of places at once, eventually you need to deal with the deathball directly, and often you'll just lose in one push. With the way Shakuras is, even after the map change, it'll likely still be common for a protoss to get on 6 gas and just roll you. It does get to a point where a protoss army becomes very efficient, and throwing resources at the problem won't work. There's real incentive for zergs to try and end the game earlier; at some point you just have to stay aggressive because the situation simply will not get better for you.
Game 3, I'm not so sure he did anything TOO wrong; he doesn't ever actually see 5 gates (?) but he does continue producing drones along with roaches.
4:43 saw one gateway with an ovie
5:44 saw a nexus at crunchers nat with his ovie
6:09 starts ovie speed + roach speed, starts making roaches
6:12 sees protoss move out with zerglings (at front of crunchers base)
From this point onward, Idra starts adding a lot of roaches (along with those drones) for the push. I feel like he had enough roaches to deal with it, strictly in a numbers sense, especially with the reinforcements, but with the FF's those 5 roaches got smashed.
I can think of ways to defend it, say, with spines or just skipping the drones for other units, but I guess Idra is used to cutting it close and defending with just that number of roaches. In hindsight, getting burrow would've worked out better than speed; but seriously, as a zerg player I would probably 99% of the time go for roach speed first.
So nothing terribly wrong, but got beat. We should be glad, since it'll encourage Idra to work on his game more, so we can of course steal all his builds
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Cruncher: "ihihihihi IdrA must be ragin' so haaard now!"
*celebrates himself*
IdrA: "terrible game." *sigh*
*prepares dinner*
Not really an IdrA fan (manner wise), but that there are still people who think that after a loss IdrA would sit there, looking at his screen in anger while smashing his keyboard is rather silly. He pretty much lost faith in training and it's more than obvious that right now (or at least until patch day), he doesn't enjoy practicing very much. I'd go as far and guess that a good amount of Team Liquid Users play more than he does right now and that makes me kinda sad, as he definitely has potential (skill-wise). Guess only time will tell if he can actually get out of his recent slump and focus his mind on his own weaknesses to work on for future tournaments. He has shown many times that he is capable of playing awesome, entertaining games.
Btw: This war between the IdrA-Haters (who say that idra fanboys are idiots while being equally or even more stupid) and the IdrA-Fanboys is pretty hilarious. Also, moderation appears to have hit an all time low in this thread... Why are people who end their post with "everybody who disagrees is brainless/stupid/a communist" tolerated in a thread like this? Imo they are worse than balance whiners, because they spend their time in a discussion board without the desire to discuss whatsoever. They got their opinion and by putting it that way insult everybody who begs to differ, thus stiring up heat big time!
Wow... now this post is much longer than it should've been.
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Awesome interviews. Nada is to polite and well spoken. I really like him.
Thanks for the translations.
Looking forward to RO16!!
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The highlight of this day for me personally was watching Idra lose. haha... Nothing brings a smile to my face faster then watching a player with a condesending attitude lose a game to a 'supposed' underdog. .
Idra needs to find the location of his G key on his keyboard for future games. Its just plain and simple sportsmanship. Cruncher played well and deserves a GG for his efforts. Bring on the next round!!!!
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On March 30 2011 01:20 EvilTeletubby wrote:Another new Cruncher fan here, loved the interview.
sounds about right =)
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Cruncher interview - very bush league. He had a chance to show some class and exhibited none.
Too bad, he played well. But his attitude is no better than Idra's which is to say lousy.
Mondragon's games were fun to watch though.
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damn lots of TLAF getting knocked out.. did not expect that
Thanks. I feel awesome. After he left I just started laughing uncontrollably and thinking how much he was raging.
HOLY shit I love this guy lmfao sooooo much Idra hate
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Epic "" is epic. I have to agree with Cruncher, Idra keeps getting burned by underestimating his opponents.
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I find it hilarious that he devotes basically the entire interview to talking about Idra, whereas Idra pretty much treats him like any other newbie he faces on the ladder, and he claims that Idra is raging. He still doesn't care, he will tell you he lost to Protoss not to Cruncher. It's funny to me that he thinks he's somehow exposed Idra and is in his head when Idra likely thinks exactly what he thought before the games.
Also the whole 'my team and I came up with this build" for the Shakuras game. The first time him and his team heard about it was probably on the hit SC2 show "Imbalanced!"
idra is a big win for anyone but Cruncher makes it sound so personal when Idra probably doesn't care at all on a personal level
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On March 30 2011 02:10 Mr Sleep wrote:
Cruncher interview - very bush league. He had a chance to show some class and exhibited none.
Too bad, he played well. But his attitude is no better than Idra's which is to say lousy.
Mondragon's games were fun to watch though.
It's worse even, Idra just bms to vent his anger while cruncher bms for the sake of working up others, very immature behaviour.
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It seems like Cruncher and I share an opinion on Idra.
That's all I'm gonna say about that.
Otherwise this was a great day for the tournament as a whole and I really, really enjoyed watching it.
I think the only prediction that I missed was the Zeerax/Mondragon one because I never followed SC1 very closely and figured qualifier > unknown invite.
Glad to be proved wrong on that one, Mondragon showed some amazing play.
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CrunCher interview is hilarious.
Kas amazes me as always, especially with his training partners (I mean those names are legends in themselves)
Mondragon seems like a cool guy.
Nada humble and likable.
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After the way Idra treated Cruncher before and during this game was anyone seriously expecting him to be humble in his interview?
Judge Cruncher by how he aproachs the rest of this tournament, playing against people who dont call him terrible and predictable multiple times before and during matches.
Top quality and professional content again Team Liquid, my first TSL i really hope to see many more
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