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I'm officially a new Cruncher fan! What an awesome interview!!!
I can't believe all of the rage from Idra fans... omfg you guys are making my WEEEK!
It is hilararious to me that Idra's pregame interview was just as honest as Cruncher's post-game interview was, yet you all rage on Cruncher because he won and was honest. All of this 'sitting on 3 bases getting VRs/colossi isn't skill' talk cracks me up. It makes all of you Idra fans look soooo pathetic... You are all sounding just like him!!! It is like you all are claiming that VR/colossi is unbeatable and there is nothing Idra could have done... so funny I can't even believe it.
WAY TO GO CRUNCHER!!!
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great games, great upsets, great casts, great tournament!
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Loved the Cruncher interview. Usually, I'd think it was crude and lacked class but there's just something about how Idra draws it on himself that makes it very nice to see him get his just desserts.
That smiley face was my favourite part of the round of 32. All that was missing was a Firebathero dance and it would have been perfect.
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TLO and nada is still far and away the best match in ro32. Hope more exciting matches coming off the upsets in round 1!
Mondi is baller as usual, he's gonna make it to final four.
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Mondragon is the ultimate Baller, not cruncher.
Mondi does not even know who Cruncher is, so unimportant is he.
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The level of hypocrisy needed to say with a straight face provoking Idra makes you worse than him is rather high, really. Idra is not some innocent, helpless kitten that is unable to control himself, even though he wants to. When he leaves games without saying 'GG', or when he calls Cruncher a newbie and walkover before the game, that's not some uncontrollable action - or even him being 'refreshingly honest' - that's deliberately showing yourself in a certain way that sets you up for a fall.
Not to say Cruncher handled it well. He should have just hinted at being upset at Idra's actions and it would have been classier than his apparent dislike now.
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On March 30 2011 00:09 Grumbels wrote:
The level of hypocrisy needed to say with a straight face provoking Idra makes you worse than him is rather high, really. Idra is not some innocent, helpless kitten that is unable to control himself, even though he wants to. When he leaves games without saying 'GG', or when he calls Cruncher a newbie and walkover before the game, that's not some uncontrollable action - or even him being 'refreshingly honest' - that's deliberately showing yourself in a certain way that sets you up for a fall.
Not to say Cruncher handled it well. He should have just hinted at being upset at Idra's actions and it would have been classier than his apparent dislike now.
I would agree with you completely if it were not for all the harassment that Idra was doing between games in the game lobbies. I already got warned for posting the screenshots once but I think the smiley and this interview were justified. But all in all Idra and Cruncher are two of my favorite players! You know how in every NASL video everyone answered, "Do you have any rivals?" in the same boring fasion? Looks like we found ourselves some rivals 
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On March 29 2011 22:35 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:24 syllogism wrote:On March 29 2011 22:12 MandoRelease wrote:On March 29 2011 14:55 adeezy wrote:On March 29 2011 14:51 tree.hugger wrote:
EDIT : In fact i'm pretty certain that the average follower of SCII who happens to be an Idra's fan would think that he had it coming. Not every fan of him thinks of him as some kind of deity. They're just fans. The issue here isn't so much that he insulted idra, but that he is a nobody who says one of the most successful foreign players in both BW and SC2 isn't a good player. Furthermore, he doesn't even respect the game (now if he was a BW veteran he would have a right to say this), so basically he is just a WC3 player who switched to SC2 for money and has no respect for the scene Cruncher : "would be so nice to play wc3 again after playing sc2. actually win games based on skill instead of retarded gameplay. too bad the general population sucks and blizzard is catering to sc2 like they did to wow so nubs feel good" Cruncher: "sc2 is so much easier than wc3. half the games are rock paper scissors or flipping a coin right now" The BW players are saying the same about BW/SC2. In wc3 skill was the only factor, there weren't many cheeses and they weren't effective at all and you didn't win games by choosing the right BO. I mean Idra said that he and all the progamers are hating SC2 on a stream, so you could say the same about him.
ummm.. saying skill is the only factor in WC3 is wrong... WC3 does have random elements based on luck, for instance items which are dropped by creeps. Also simply choosing a certain hero or tech route can have a huge impact on the game.. how is that different than choosing a certain BO? The reason WC3 doesn't have as much cheese is because there's no economy management in WC3 besides the upkeep system. You put 5 guys on gold and your done. There's no such thing really as cutting workers or "one basing" so when your doing the same exact thing every game economically there's no room for cheese. IMO this is a bad thing.. not a good thing. Makes the game very one dimensional and boring. Macro and economy management is one of the hardest things about an RTS game and WC3 has basically none of it. All games are based on who has the best micro and who can cast their spells the fastest and creep the best. SC2 requires skilled micro AND macro elements.. both games require skill, but SC2 requires skill in more areas than WC3. You could also probably even argue than SC2 is a more balanced game than WC3 and it's only been out a year. The hero system and 4 races makes the game ridiculously hard to balance which is a huge factor if your going to argue that WC3 is a better competitive game. To say WC3 is this game of huge skill and SC2 isn't is just a stupid statement.. Cruncher should realize the reason SC and SC2 are so much more successful than WC3 is because they are better competitive games..
I mean I can understand SC1 players making this argument and saying how their game takes "more skill" but to hear this coming from a WC3 player is just silly...
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Idra and Cruncher are both in the HD world tournament. Imagine if they played against each other in the finals, lol.
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On March 29 2011 23:28 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:19 synapse wrote:
I found Cruncher's interview to be just as arrogant as he claims IdrA is. Props to him for the win, but he didn't exactly do anything amazing. Lol that was my thought too. I love the way he acts like turtle -> VR/Colossi was something he had to work on a long time to figure out or that taking the free 3 bases you are given on Shakuras was an amazing revelation.
Not only is this view unfair since there is no guaranteed path for protoss to win today, it is also irrelevant.
Idra knew full well BEFOREHAND he was facing a protoss. He was presumably aware of "death-balls" and he had played many games on Shakuras. Hell, he could even find replays with Cruncher doing the same exact strategy to other top players.
Knowing all this going into the game Idra never said "I am facing a bad player but protoss is OP so I may lose". Idra instead went ahead and called Cruncher a walkover! Then he acted like a child when he lost.
So yeah, good job Cruncher.
Most of all I enjoyed Nada's interview btw.
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LOL at crucher thikig he is good. OP deathall game 1, get rolled game 2, the ause FFs game 3. pretty good. says idra is overrated but he is much better than cruncher. when everyone is expecting idra to win, its because he should, cruncher is a random lol
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On March 30 2011 00:28 stk01001 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:35 vdale wrote:On March 29 2011 22:24 syllogism wrote:On March 29 2011 22:12 MandoRelease wrote:On March 29 2011 14:55 adeezy wrote:On March 29 2011 14:51 tree.hugger wrote:
EDIT : In fact i'm pretty certain that the average follower of SCII who happens to be an Idra's fan would think that he had it coming. Not every fan of him thinks of him as some kind of deity. They're just fans. The issue here isn't so much that he insulted idra, but that he is a nobody who says one of the most successful foreign players in both BW and SC2 isn't a good player. Furthermore, he doesn't even respect the game (now if he was a BW veteran he would have a right to say this), so basically he is just a WC3 player who switched to SC2 for money and has no respect for the scene Cruncher : "would be so nice to play wc3 again after playing sc2. actually win games based on skill instead of retarded gameplay. too bad the general population sucks and blizzard is catering to sc2 like they did to wow so nubs feel good" Cruncher: "sc2 is so much easier than wc3. half the games are rock paper scissors or flipping a coin right now" The BW players are saying the same about BW/SC2. In wc3 skill was the only factor, there weren't many cheeses and they weren't effective at all and you didn't win games by choosing the right BO. I mean Idra said that he and all the progamers are hating SC2 on a stream, so you could say the same about him. ummm.. saying skill is the only factor in WC3 is wrong... WC3 does have random elements based on luck, for instance items which are dropped by creeps. Also simply choosing a certain hero or tech route can have a huge impact on the game.. how is that different than choosing a certain BO? The reason WC3 doesn't have as much cheese is because there's no economy management in WC3 besides the upkeep system. You put 5 guys on gold and your done. There's no such thing really as cutting workers or "one basing" so when your doing the same exact thing every game economically there's no room for cheese. IMO this is a bad thing.. not a good thing. Makes the game very one dimensional and boring. Macro and economy management is one of the hardest things about an RTS game and WC3 has basically none of it. All games are based on who has the best micro and who can cast their spells the fastest and creep the best. SC2 requires skilled micro AND macro elements.. both games require skill, but SC2 requires skill in more areas than WC3. You could also probably even argue than SC2 is a more balanced game than WC3 and it's only been out a year. The hero system and 4 races makes the game ridiculously hard to balance which is a huge factor if your going to argue that WC3 is a better competitive game. To say WC3 is this game of huge skill and SC2 isn't is just a stupid statement.. Cruncher should realize the reason SC and SC2 are so much more successful than WC3 is because they are better competitive games.. I mean I can understand SC1 players making this argument and saying how their game takes "more skill" but to hear this coming from a WC3 player is just silly...
You have no idea how to play WC3 bro.
It is relatively balanced because the metagame has developed to the point that there is only ONE viable opening / strategy for each race, and everyone knows exactly what creep routes to take, and has basically seen everything.
At the pro level, there are some imbalances that start to pop up like Blademaster vs UD, but that's another story.
SC2 is not a better competitive game than WC3; SC2 has had the backing of Blizzard from the start flooding it with money. WC3 had no such backing early on, and yet up until very, very, very recently it was leading the way for international RTS play. In terms of actual gameplay, SC2 is grossly way more imbalanced than WC3, with alot more broken mechanics (very volatile early game, alot of mechanics that are deemed unfair like FF, extremely broken match-ups like PvZ, TvP, etc.)
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Haha cruncher you troll! Excellent interviews :D
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Idra BMs and hes "rude and arrogant"
Cruncher BMs and hes "refreshingly honest"
Oh TL...
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Anyone saying that Cruncher having a little fun at Idra's expense is going too far is defending the indefensible. Idra dug his own grave by saying the harsh shit he said about an opponent he didn't know much about. By Cruncher winning the series, he gets to put Idra in his place. If one is going to talk shit, it would be in their best interest to back up their claims, regardless of perceived imbalance. With all the experience Idra has along with his self-proclaimed skill he should have had no problem beating Cruncher; since he did not, Cruncher gets to retaliate. I, personally, think that is his right. You babies talking about BM ruining your watching experience would hate fighting game players, that's for sure. God forbid somebody says something mean about your favorite player!
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On March 30 2011 00:33 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:28 Logo wrote:On March 29 2011 23:19 synapse wrote:
I found Cruncher's interview to be just as arrogant as he claims IdrA is. Props to him for the win, but he didn't exactly do anything amazing. Lol that was my thought too. I love the way he acts like turtle -> VR/Colossi was something he had to work on a long time to figure out or that taking the free 3 bases you are given on Shakuras was an amazing revelation. Not only is this view unfair since there is no guaranteed path for protoss to win today, it is also irrelevant. Idra knew full well BEFOREHAND he was facing a protoss. He was presumably aware of "death-balls" and he had played many games on Shakuras. Hell, he could even find replays with Cruncher doing the same exact strategy to other top players. Knowing all this going into the game Idra never said "I am facing a bad player but protoss is OP so I may lose". Idra instead went ahead and called Cruncher a walkover! Then he acted like a child when he lost. So yeah, good job Cruncher. Most of all I enjoyed Nada's interview btw.
I didn't mention IdrA once in my statement. You presumably didn't even read my post because your reply is completely unrelated.
Cruncher's choice of strategy was good, but it's just about the most vanilla Protoss thing you can do. It's something you will see again and again playing x-positions Shakuras ZvP because it's common knowledge that Shakuras is a great map to turtle on and everyone knows colossi/vr is a good unit composition.
So it's odd/funny to kind of talk like you really worked out this new thing to do on Shakuras when it's super common.
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Cruncher's interview is funny, but he really took the low road here. Yes, IdrA isn't well mannered, but Cruncher just demonstrated that neither is he. I think if he just acted modestly, he would have earned more fans and showed that he's a different kind of player.
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lol @ cruncher, he gets outplayed and turtles up in game 1 winning with an imba unit composition that George Forman could win with, gets WORKED in game 2, and cheeses/gets lucky with a forcefield donut to win game 3... Then brags about it.
How do protoss players feel when they donut roaches and win straight up like that? Doesn't that feel broken to them? I know that everyones ego will say "but im good! thats why i can do that!" but its not really the case... Its a broken mechanic that completely negates every zerg option until burrow movement or OL drop.
Takes a lot out of the game, its not fun to watch at all... MC vs July was a joke, and so was this. I miss the real e-sports 
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I don't get all this talk about calls for "maturity" and "class" from Cruncher. IdrA kept calling him terrible, and Cruncher walked over him, he's earned the right to be happy and brag about it in his victory interview. There's something to be said about progamers who aren't afraid to show character (IrdA included). I don't' want to read every interview about how, "Oh my opponent was so good I only got lucky that I prepared well for this match. I only wanted to give some good games, I didn't care about winning or losing." No, let's have some trashtalking, some rivalries, some callouts, some cocky and arrogant assholes, it gives the community more color, makes results (such as upset like these) more exciting, and makes it look less like progamers are a bunch of pieces of wood that play rally good SC2.
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