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On March 29 2011 22:24 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:12 MandoRelease wrote:On March 29 2011 14:55 adeezy wrote:On March 29 2011 14:51 tree.hugger wrote:
EDIT : In fact i'm pretty certain that the average follower of SCII who happens to be an Idra's fan would think that he had it coming. Not every fan of him thinks of him as some kind of deity. They're just fans. The issue here isn't so much that he insulted idra, but that he is a nobody who says one of the most successful foreign players in both BW and SC2 isn't a good player. Furthermore, he doesn't even respect the game (now if he was a BW veteran he would have a right to say this), so basically he is just a WC3 player who switched to SC2 for money and has no respect for the scene Cruncher : "would be so nice to play wc3 again after playing sc2. actually win games based on skill instead of retarded gameplay. too bad the general population sucks and blizzard is catering to sc2 like they did to wow so nubs feel good" Cruncher: "sc2 is so much easier than wc3. half the games are rock paper scissors or flipping a coin right now"
The BW players are saying the same about BW/SC2. In wc3 skill was the only factor, there weren't many cheeses and they weren't effective at all and you didn't win games by choosing the right BO.
I mean Idra said that he and all the progamers are hating SC2 on a stream, so you could say the same about him.
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On March 29 2011 22:11 Shooks wrote:
Lol all the comments Cruncher made would be funny if he wasn't such a bad player, sorry but turtling on 3 bases with Col/vrs doesn't take skill, IdrA talks trash because he can back it up, he can't.
So if its so easy to do why do not all protoss win every game with it? why did not mondi get raped by it when he played zeerax?
Protoss is not op and Idra was just not good enough to win simple as that.
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Cruncher sounds obsessed with Idra. He won a PvZ, take it easy there big guy
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On March 29 2011 22:24 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:12 MandoRelease wrote:On March 29 2011 14:55 adeezy wrote:On March 29 2011 14:51 tree.hugger wrote:
EDIT : In fact i'm pretty certain that the average follower of SCII who happens to be an Idra's fan would think that he had it coming. Not every fan of him thinks of him as some kind of deity. They're just fans. The issue here isn't so much that he insulted idra, but that he is a nobody who says one of the most successful foreign players in both BW and SC2 isn't a good player. Furthermore, he doesn't even respect the game (now if he was a BW veteran he would have a right to say this), so basically he is just a WC3 player who switched to SC2 for money and has no respect for the scene Cruncher : "would be so nice to play wc3 again after playing sc2. actually win games based on skill instead of retarded gameplay. too bad the general population sucks and blizzard is catering to sc2 like they did to wow so nubs feel good" Cruncher: "sc2 is so much easier than wc3. half the games are rock paper scissors or flipping a coin right now"
Why is everyone crying about a little trash talking. I see nothing wrong with what cruncher did, it's going to happen in any competitive environment. If I was a no name defensive end that crushed a legend (not that I consider Idra a legend exactly but you get the idea) like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, you're damn right I'm going to talk shit. While I might have respect for them, I'll be getting in their head and potentially throwing off their game so I'm doing it.
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On March 29 2011 22:24 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:12 MandoRelease wrote:On March 29 2011 14:55 adeezy wrote:On March 29 2011 14:51 tree.hugger wrote:
EDIT : In fact i'm pretty certain that the average follower of SCII who happens to be an Idra's fan would think that he had it coming. Not every fan of him thinks of him as some kind of deity. They're just fans. The issue here isn't so much that he insulted idra, but that he is a nobody who says one of the most successful foreign players in both BW and SC2 isn't a good player. Furthermore, he doesn't even respect the game (now if he was a BW veteran he would have a right to say this), so basically he is just a WC3 player who switched to SC2 for money and has no respect for the scene Cruncher : "would be so nice to play wc3 again after playing sc2. actually win games based on skill instead of retarded gameplay. too bad the general population sucks and blizzard is catering to sc2 like they did to wow so nubs feel good" Cruncher: "sc2 is so much easier than wc3. half the games are rock paper scissors or flipping a coin right now" yeah, he said the things idra said too in the past, big news.
What you say makes so much no sense when you say it to defend idra who thinks the same and doesn't respect anyone, or the game, or the scene.
Like idra deserve so much respect that he is allowed to trash talk someone that is not allowed to trash talk in return, seriously this is dumb.
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On March 29 2011 22:30 cronican wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:24 syllogism wrote:On March 29 2011 22:12 MandoRelease wrote:On March 29 2011 14:55 adeezy wrote:On March 29 2011 14:51 tree.hugger wrote:
EDIT : In fact i'm pretty certain that the average follower of SCII who happens to be an Idra's fan would think that he had it coming. Not every fan of him thinks of him as some kind of deity. They're just fans. The issue here isn't so much that he insulted idra, but that he is a nobody who says one of the most successful foreign players in both BW and SC2 isn't a good player. Furthermore, he doesn't even respect the game (now if he was a BW veteran he would have a right to say this), so basically he is just a WC3 player who switched to SC2 for money and has no respect for the scene Cruncher : "would be so nice to play wc3 again after playing sc2. actually win games based on skill instead of retarded gameplay. too bad the general population sucks and blizzard is catering to sc2 like they did to wow so nubs feel good" Cruncher: "sc2 is so much easier than wc3. half the games are rock paper scissors or flipping a coin right now" Where did you pull that interview from? I'd like to read the whole thing.
It wasn't an interview, but rather forum posts
http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2653418&postcount=82
http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2666932#post2666932
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On March 29 2011 22:37 purpose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:11 Shooks wrote:
Lol all the comments Cruncher made would be funny if he wasn't such a bad player, sorry but turtling on 3 bases with Col/vrs doesn't take skill, IdrA talks trash because he can back it up, he can't. So if its so easy to do why do not all protoss win every game with it? why did not mondi get raped by it when he played zeerax? Protoss is not op and Idra was just not good enough to win simple as that.
Are you seriously using the Mondragon-Zeerax match to compare with the Idra-Cruncher? Zeerax was not turtling and was basically RUSHING to Colossi + Air without any sort of proper gateway unit support. Cruncher on the other hand defended his 3 bases like a champ and crushed with an amazing unit combo. I'm not talking about balance; just pointing out that your comparison is not reasonable.
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IdrA fans are the worst
lol @ IdrA should be the best player because he has the best macro
massing drones is a useful talent toi have.
there are so many other good and/or better zergs i don't even understand idra fanboys. least creative and most one dimensional player in competitive gaming. if he can't mass drones and win, then sc2 is OMG imbalanced.
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Oh boy...so many people are raging with idra. It's not like Cruncher started BMing idra. They have longer history where idra was bming him and even showed a vid in JP's show how to destryo noob Ps (cruncher) who just 4gate and suck at it compared to koreans.
Cruncher is just striking back and not nearly as harshly as Idra. I guess fans are like that..
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Mondragon was quite prepared for air, which gave him an advantage I guess, he also surprised his opponent with the masses of roaches. the game was quite epic, but its more the surprising tactic of an underdog that won the match in my opinion. We'll see in the next match 
I don't know what to say about IdrA's zvp because he is just so ballerz, and a lot of times it just seems like he is way in the lead, but there is just no high economy answer to the big ball of p in late game. I feel like most zergs are trying to end it in a more short all/inish way, but thats just not IdrA's way.
Cruncher made quite an analystic win, we'll see if his mechanics will be enough for the next round 
The grudge stuff isnt so interesting, but I think Cruncher wont be the last grudge enemy of IdrA :D
Just wait for some Naniwa vs. IdrA on some random stream and the TRUE GRUDGE is on! :D
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On March 29 2011 22:37 purpose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:11 Shooks wrote:
Lol all the comments Cruncher made would be funny if he wasn't such a bad player, sorry but turtling on 3 bases with Col/vrs doesn't take skill, IdrA talks trash because he can back it up, he can't. So if its so easy to do why do not all protoss win every game with it? why did not mondi get raped by it when he played zeerax? Protoss is not op and Idra was just not good enough to win simple as that.
I was using the build 2-3 months ago and never lost a game, pretty much every Protoss did win games when they did the build (It got out of fashion when every Protoss realized they're not gonna get better if they do the same skill-less strat), and I'll tell you right now that it's hands down the most boring strategy you could ever do.
Mondragon's games were completely different, the first map only having 1 gas in the natural so you have to take a quick 3rd if you plan to go Col/VR/Stalker, although the third is completely open, and on Shakuris, Zeerax could of just FF'd the roaches off.
Col/VR/Stalker is OP, simple as that, obviously Blizzard thought so too, since they buffed infestors. But to bad that the matches were played pre patch, hopefully Mondragon takes advantage of the buff.
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cruncher is such a dick
User was temp banned for this post.
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as an Idra fan
I loved crunchers interview. The guy has serious skill and has completely the opposite mindset as Idra.
next time they face its gonna be all the sweeter when idra gives him the business
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Great interviews! Loved what Cruncher had to say. IdrA fans are taking eveything said toward Idra so seriously. Fact is, if you throw a punch be prepared to take a punch. Don't expect to be able to trash talk somebody and not have them talk trash back when they delete your name from the tourney bracket. GJ from all the winners though.
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Oh man cruncher is awesome.
Reminds me of the Casey bully incident. Idra got bodyslammed so hard.
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I found Cruncher's interview to be just as arrogant as he claims IdrA is. Props to him for the win, but he didn't exactly do anything amazing.
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Cruncher is right; I love watching Idra rage! Best thing in the world. I laughed so hard when he threw down the smily face! Hahaha!
Edit: Ok change my mind; one thing that's better than seeing Idra rage is the tail of nerdfans that must protect him at all cost. Genuin rofl.
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cruncher made my night lol
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On March 29 2011 19:48 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 11:49 tetracycloide wrote:On March 29 2011 11:45 ReaperX wrote:
[Cruncher]'s actually pretty professional with his interviews too. Clearly you don't mean this interview. It is hardly professional to make every other response about how much you want to make your opponent 'rage' because you 'don't respect him.' That's not the behavior of a professional. That's the attitude of a troll, to induce as much rage as possible. He's no more professional than idra was in his pre-game interview. I'm all for the logic of 'return in kind' but let's call this what it is and not delude ourselves just because he managed to take a best of 3 off idra. Yeah I agree. IdrA isn't stupid, he rages just because of game balance. I mean when you have whole map under your control, excellent economy, maxed out 1.5 faster than toss and then loose because you just feel hopeless in late game of this match up. That's why he rages, and that isn't fine but it is understandable. So I don't know why cruncher is being a dick with all his bm, doesn't he understand why IdrA bms? It's just like you play on ladder ZvP and someone kills your whole army with single vortex then you feel seriously dissapointed and you don't gg and leave the game. Now imagine protoss player says for me after the game: "why no gg noob?". That's just straight up bm and disrespect to other player.
He is playing the wrong game then. In that match up, letting a P sit on 3 base and get voids and colossus is a loss. I'm sure he knows that. The same way that having 5k/5k 10 minutes in the game is a loss. Just because he SHOULDN'T lose because he has a superior economy doesn't mean he is entitled to not lose. He should have done something to stop Cruncher from getting his comp.
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On March 29 2011 23:19 synapse wrote:
I found Cruncher's interview to be just as arrogant as he claims IdrA is. Props to him for the win, but he didn't exactly do anything amazing.
Lol that was my thought too. I love the way he acts like turtle -> VR/Colossi was something he had to work on a long time to figure out or that taking the free 3 bases you are given on Shakuras was an amazing revelation.
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