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1) the games seemed like rotflmao (especially game1), "how to win without using any micro or macro skills from a disadvantage" tutorial for P
2) bm from idra is one thing ( a) we know he does it, its expected from him b) he is a famous guy who can get away with it (just check teamliquid's own forum rules) c) telling bad stuff about a relatively unknown player something is bad manner, but somewhat reasonable), but what cruncher does is just being a monkey. "see i beat him i am the god and he is sh*t" stuff. well, we will see how he does in tournaments, but he didnt made himself any more sympathetic
Without wishing to be rude, that is all totally biased bullshit. You only think the games were somehow unfair because you're clearly well behind Idra.
But actually saying Idra's BM is totally fine and Cruncher 'is just being a monkey' is straight up bollocks. It blows my mind how you can actually think that. Cruncher's BM was a reaction to Idra being an arrogant dick. Ever since Cruncher won his TL Open Idra has been dismissive, which was funny, but when you're playing the guy and you say it's going to be a walkover you better back that shit up or your face is going to get rubbed in it hard. For fuck's sake Idra was trash talking between every game.
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Well, Crunsher can flame a bit for now. He win mostly because Idra under estimate him / Crunsher abuse Idra only weakness = his ego.
In terms of gameplay, i still want to see more of him. He get outplayed in game 2, abuse a unbalance composition on an unbalance map in game 1, and 6gate a zerg who was making drone during the push.
Nothing to be impress for the moment.
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On March 29 2011 19:24 shinarit wrote:
It hurts my eyes when i see people repeating "cruncher says the truth"... you really think idra is a bad player? Uh.
Ah and btw i (and i think most of us "with idra" in this case) dont defend his honour, its just 2 things:
1) the games seemed like rotflmao (especially game1), "how to win without using any micro or macro skills from a disadvantage" tutorial for P
2) bm from idra is one thing ( a) we know he does it, its expected from him b) he is a famous guy who can get away with it (just check teamliquid's own forum rules) c) telling bad stuff about a relatively unknown player something is bad manner, but somewhat reasonable), but what cruncher does is just being a monkey. "see i beat him i am the god and he is sh*t" stuff. well, we will see how he does in tournaments, but he didnt made himself any more sympathetic
Saying someone is overrated isn't thesame thing as saying someone is bad, it's saying that the person isn't as good as people make that person out to be. Idra has a huge flaw in his game, wich rekrul pointed out 2 years ago. If things don't go exactly as Idra planned, he'll lose.
2) Remind me, a while ago, he got a 30 day ban, when it expired, he came back, made exactly 1 post, and got banned for it again, I haven't seen him post since, was it a new 30 day ban or wa it a perm ban?
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On March 29 2011 19:33 vdale wrote:
Haha, nice interview and I love the drama. I respect the opinion of people who don't like the interview if they also don't like Idra's interviews/behavior. Everybody who thinks Idra's behavior is fine and Cruncher's interview isn't is just being hypocritical.
Idra's behavior isn't fine, I think everyone but the stupidest hardcore fans agree on that. But everyone but the stupidest haters recognise he's a great player too.
Crunsher won against someone who's undeniably miles ahead of him, showing absolutely nothing even remotely impressive at all. And now he acts like he's the GSL champion?
He's not disrespecting idra, he's pissing all over Starcraft, which is a game I enjoy quite a lot.
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On March 29 2011 19:58 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 19:54 SanDevon wrote:On March 29 2011 19:48 Alpina wrote:
Yeah I agree.
IdrA isn't stupid, he rages just because of game balance. I mean when you have whole map under your control, excellent economy, maxed out 1.5 faster than toss and then loose because you just feel hopeless in late game of this match up. That's why he rages, and that isn't fine but it is understandable. So I don't know why cruncher is being a dick with all his bm, doesn't he understand why IdrA bms?
It's just like you play on ladder ZvP and someone kills your whole army with single vortex then you feel seriously dissapointed and you don't gg and leave the game. Now imagine protoss player says for me after the game: "why no gg noob?". That's just straight up bm and disrespect to other player. Idra has this idea of how SC2 should be and plays according to that idea. His opponents just play the game, using and abusing every strategy available.The idea is to win. You mean sitting on 3 base and just pumping units? That's what you call "using and abusing every strategy available"? That's exactly why IdrA rages - because he thinks that it's unfair for zerg players. And I don't get why Cruncher comes with all that agresssive bm, maybe he thinks is so extremelly good. For me personally game 2 showed exactly how much better IdrA is.
Unfair or not, doesn't give you a reason to never write GG, write shit between matches and generally treat other people like crap...
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On March 29 2011 19:58 Alpina wrote:
You mean sitting on 3 base and just pumping units? That's what you call "using and abusing every strategy available"? That's exactly why IdrA rages - because he thinks that it's unfair for zerg players.
Yes, actually that's exactly what I mean. You're telling me that Idra had no way at all of winning the first game? None at all?.
If that's the case, I wonder why people even play Zerg.
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Why is there no Interview with the ones who lost the games. I would find that really interesting.
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On March 29 2011 20:07 MilesTeg wrote:
Idra's behavior isn't fine, I think everyone but the stupidest hardcore fans agree on that. But everyone but the stupidest haters recognise he's a great player too.
lot.
Of course it's fine. And only the stupidest hardcore conformists would disagree. Somehow you're supposed to and expected to always be happy and never be angry no matter what. Why are you not allowed to get upset from losing? Especially when your opponent is mocking you? How can you sit there and say "IdrAs behavior isn't OK because I think so because I've been taught that the norm says otherwise!"?
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On March 29 2011 20:17 SanDevon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 19:58 Alpina wrote:
You mean sitting on 3 base and just pumping units? That's what you call "using and abusing every strategy available"? That's exactly why IdrA rages - because he thinks that it's unfair for zerg players. Yes, actually that's exactly what I mean. You're telling me that Idra had no way at all of winning the first game? None at all?. If that's the case, I wonder why people even play Zerg.
Seriously man, where did I say that IdrA has no chance of winning G1? My advice is to read my post few times before replying because we are talking about different things now.
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Cheering from Philippines! Go NaDa!
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On March 29 2011 20:23 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 20:17 SanDevon wrote:On March 29 2011 19:58 Alpina wrote:
You mean sitting on 3 base and just pumping units? That's what you call "using and abusing every strategy available"? That's exactly why IdrA rages - because he thinks that it's unfair for zerg players. Yes, actually that's exactly what I mean. You're telling me that Idra had no way at all of winning the first game? None at all?. If that's the case, I wonder why people even play Zerg. Seriously man, where did I say that IdrA has no chance of winning G1? My advice is to read my post few times before replying because we are talking about different things now.
Benefit of the doubt. I hoped you weren't talking about race imba.
Seriously, when I asked someone "How do I deal with 25 mutas in my base?", the answer was "You can't. Don't let him make 25 mutas. Same thing with void rays.
Of course, everything I just said can be countered with "Ah yes but Toss is imba for Zerg"....
Basically I feel that if Idra was the SC2 demigod people make him to be, he wouldn't lose against Cruncher, even if we assume there's things lik race imba. If he had been the better player in those games, he would have won.
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On March 29 2011 20:17 SanDevon wrote:
Yes, actually that's exactly what I mean. You're telling me that Idra had no way at all of winning the first game? None at all?.
If that's the case, I wonder why people even play Zerg.
Well, if you can sit on 3 base and just pump units, and than 1a yourself to win is hardly compared in complexity to own the whole map and harrass/damage everywhere (as you cant win in a straight up battle obviously). So ofcourse if you have 9000+ apm than you can beat anyone in any matchup. But you dont, its expected that same skill levels will have 1:1 w/l, which is not the case obviously.
On March 29 2011 20:00 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +1) the games seemed like rotflmao (especially game1), "how to win without using any micro or macro skills from a disadvantage" tutorial for P
2) bm from idra is one thing ( a) we know he does it, its expected from him b) he is a famous guy who can get away with it (just check teamliquid's own forum rules) c) telling bad stuff about a relatively unknown player something is bad manner, but somewhat reasonable), but what cruncher does is just being a monkey. "see i beat him i am the god and he is sh*t" stuff. well, we will see how he does in tournaments, but he didnt made himself any more sympathetic Without wishing to be rude, that is all totally biased bullshit. You only think the games were somehow unfair because you're clearly well behind Idra. But actually saying Idra's BM is totally fine and Cruncher 'is just being a monkey' is straight up bollocks. It blows my mind how you can actually think that. Cruncher's BM was a reaction to Idra being an arrogant dick. Ever since Cruncher won his TL Open Idra has been dismissive, which was funny, but when you're playing the guy and you say it's going to be a walkover you better back that shit up or your face is going to get rubbed in it hard. For fuck's sake Idra was trash talking between every game.
If you realise that i didnt say IdrA's bm is ok, than you will realise your whole post is pointless. Yes, bm is bad in general, but everyone should see the difference. Not only the player's position but the whole point and reason of the bming and behind it. I agree that idra should be more modest, and if he knows that the matchup is bad, than dont take it too easy (not in words neither in game), but he is right so far: cruncher didnt show any special skill yet, where idra did.
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Cruncher is one of my new favs, he gave Idra exactly what he needed ... he was trash-talking in between games of a huge tournament!! I knew he routinely did that on ladder matches, but in the middle of a tournament? C'mon, he is taking BM to a whole new level.....While I agree that Idra is very good, I also agree taht he is overrated and extremely arrogant. Thanks for a very entertaining match Cruncher!!!!
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Good to see Idra tasting his own medicine with that interview, especially considering what he said during the game in the chat channel.
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Idra is extremely overrated and arrogant. If he isn't practicing 24/7, he is nowhere near being a good player.
Exactly what I expected Cruncher interview to be like.
I am highly entertained.
Have to agree with this tho.
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On March 29 2011 20:21 FIRETRUCK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 20:07 MilesTeg wrote:
Idra's behavior isn't fine, I think everyone but the stupidest hardcore fans agree on that. But everyone but the stupidest haters recognise he's a great player too.
lot. Of course it's fine. And only the stupidest hardcore conformists would disagree. Somehow you're supposed to and expected to always be happy and never be angry no matter what. Why are you not allowed to get upset from losing? Especially when your opponent is mocking you? How can you sit there and say "IdrAs behavior isn't OK because I think so because I've been taught that the norm says otherwise!"?
Well it's certainly the first time I've been called a conformist ^^
It's off topic, but it's going to be hard for you to argue that insulting the other player for no reason is "fine". That's my biggest problem with idra, not that he rages but he tries to justify it, which in turn is responsible for thousands of unapologetic raging teenagers on the ladder. BM is human, and understandable, but still pathetic. Don't want to turn this (wonderful...) topic into another idra bm thread though.
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IdrA's bm is no different to any other players bm. Except unlike most players who occasionally bm if your meet him on the ladder you know you can get some personalised bm if you cheese him (its basically the equivalent of one of those pictures people get where they're throwing a punch at a famous boxer).
I wouldn't say Crunchers bm is ok either, but I think most people would act like that if they were in Crunchers situation.
IdrA isn't a bad player, his macro is very good, but he needs to learn that he's not playing IdrAcraft 2, the game where nobody cheeses and the player with the best macro wins every game. He seems to think that his macro style is the only style that should be viable and that anyone who players anything else, or tries to mix it up a bit, is bad. He's also very weak at mind-games, like Cruncher said, he's predictable and he assumes his opponents are as predictable as he is.
Of course I do not talk about my ZvP in specific now because that would make me kind of self-owned
Mondragon is so baller. He's like Rocky, even after all his success he still manages to make himself the underdog.
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Awesome answers from Cruncher :D
Too bad he has to play Mondragon in Ro16.
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Heres the thing about the idra-cruncher thing and im out of it with it, no more pointless posts because i think it makes the forum worse than better: only the real brainless would QQ if cruncher outplays idra. Than his interview would be totally ok, he beat him. But nothing of the sort happened. He just won a Bo3 2-1, not playing especially well. So thats the problem with him, he speaks as if he washed the floor with idra, but it didnt happen, and idra's pre-match bm is still more-or-less accurate (as someone noted before: idra didnt expect 4gate, so that you cant take seriously).
Forgot to add: being upset, angry or whatever over this is so pointless when we have other awesome stuff to cheer for 
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