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On March 30 2011 10:25 xbankx wrote:
Why does Cruncher need to give respect to Idra when Idra clearly showed no respect to him. If someone just spit on your face and called you trash/whore and then tripped and fell down. Are you gonna hold out your hand and help him up? Look there is a difference between "friendly" BM in pregame and just straight up insulting the other player. I have no problem with MC's type of BM because he says stuff like "lol my next round opponent should complain to admin because he has to face me next." He ever insult the other player directly. But calling player a cheeser and a walkover is not a "friendly" hype BM. It is just insulting whether it is pregame or postgame. The main problem I have with Idra fans that they try to somehow justify Idra's actions by saying he is being truthful and outspoken and just emotional. While when others do it back to him, it is some atrocity because he is not as known as Idra. No matter how much you are known or not known, inside a starcraft game the two will just be players and the better player will win. No one ever said what Cruncher said is not BM. Most Cruncher fans just felt Idra got what is coming to him. While Idra fans is trying to spin, Idra's BM into bravery and honesty. It is just laughible with the double standard. I always follow the saying "Do to others as you would like them to do to you." If idra hAS been BMing people since scbw, he will one day get what was coming to him. When he BMs someone pregame and loses, and they BM back and make Idra look like an idiot.
I might help them up, but I definitely wouldn't call them trash right then. Maybe I would walk away somewhat amused. But I think that flaming when someone is in a (relatively speaking) helpless position is disgusting. I'm pretty sure I made that clear. If you don't agree, that's just a difference between us.
And I'm pretty sure you want to rewrite your saying. Perhaps you want to write "Do unto others as they would do to you"? Because otherwise it completely contradicts your entire post, which is more of an "eye for an eye" justice-based mentality than a "do unto others what you would like done to you" peaceful mentality, which I am advocating. But thanks for the support, if that's what you meant. Not sure what the rest of the post is about then.
Also please don't generalize my opinions on this incident based on my personal experiences to the entire population of IdrA supporters. It's really silly...
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On March 30 2011 11:13 growl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 10:25 xbankx wrote:
Why does Cruncher need to give respect to Idra when Idra clearly showed no respect to him. If someone just spit on your face and called you trash/whore and then tripped and fell down. Are you gonna hold out your hand and help him up? Look there is a difference between "friendly" BM in pregame and just straight up insulting the other player. I have no problem with MC's type of BM because he says stuff like "lol my next round opponent should complain to admin because he has to face me next." He ever insult the other player directly. But calling player a cheeser and a walkover is not a "friendly" hype BM. It is just insulting whether it is pregame or postgame. The main problem I have with Idra fans that they try to somehow justify Idra's actions by saying he is being truthful and outspoken and just emotional. While when others do it back to him, it is some atrocity because he is not as known as Idra. No matter how much you are known or not known, inside a starcraft game the two will just be players and the better player will win. No one ever said what Cruncher said is not BM. Most Cruncher fans just felt Idra got what is coming to him. While Idra fans is trying to spin, Idra's BM into bravery and honesty. It is just laughible with the double standard. I always follow the saying "Do to others as you would like them to do to you." If idra hAS been BMing people since scbw, he will one day get what was coming to him. When he BMs someone pregame and loses, and they BM back and make Idra look like an idiot. I might help them up, but I definitely wouldn't call them trash right then. Maybe I would walk away somewhat amused. But I think that flaming when someone is in a (relatively speaking) helpless position is disgusting. I'm pretty sure I made that clear. If you don't agree, that's just a difference between us. And I'm pretty sure you want to rewrite your saying. Perhaps you want to write "Do unto others as they would do to you"? Because otherwise it completely contradicts your entire post, which is more of an "eye for an eye" justice-based mentality than a "do unto others what you would like done to you" peaceful mentality, which I am advocating. But thanks for the support, if that's what you meant. Not sure what the rest of the post is about then. Also please don't generalize my opinions on this incident based on my personal experiences to the entire population of IdrA supporters. It's really silly...
No I merely said i followed that. I never said cruncher followed that. But Idra definitely don't follow that so "I" don't feel bad when Cruncher BMed Idra. Since Idra deserved it.
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On March 29 2011 12:25 Feijichang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:19 justdweezil wrote:
Man, Cruncher just seems like a dick now, too. Very unfortunate. Even more unfortunate when Protoss don't appreciate that they still have a fair advantage in the match-up, given the metagame right now. People blow Idra's "rage" way out of proportion... venting a little frustration or speaking your mind is not a very big deal, and Crunchers lolitrollu attitude is painful to read. He really seems like a complete chode more so now than even before. Gloating his wins of a WC3 replay site with screenshots from the lobby as members of another community site shit on "Idra fanboys" as he caters to his own... the whole thing is pathetic..
I agree, speaking from total opinion, Idra probably doesn't get MAD like people all imagine him to. Just because he speaks his mind while getting frustrated over the current meta-game and puts out skill-bashing BM to people he loses to, doesn't mean he gets all "kid gets WoW account closed" angry. Crunchers "i bet he's getting so mad right now look at my ego!!!! lolololo" attitude is painful. Idra is probably used to losing (unlike many people) and I'm sure he doesn't RAGE over losing to a fairly skilled player like Cruncher.
On the other hand, compared to Idras, Crunchers BM is far worse. Whereas Idra's rage and BM is only based on skill and on the current meta-game, Cruncher opts to BM on personal lifestyle, income, etc. No respect.
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I think the biggest thing we can take from these interviews is that Testie might possibly play SC2.
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I think that both sides in this Idra/Cruncher thing need to give each other more respect. Both players are amazing, and both players were unprofessional here. Granted Idra has experience, but that doesn't mean that he can get away with what he says. Cruncher definitely had a reason to BM in reply but he didn't have to. Not everyone can be as classy as Mondragon.
In terms of looking at the games, you can't really say that either one played too poorly, they won games with completely different styles and none of the wins says anything about game balance. In game one Idra was ahead in macro but Cruncher had a huge tech advantage for way longer. Instead of macro cheesing he tech cheesed and was on only one gateway for a long time giving Idra a giant timing where he can walk up and crush him in exchange for a ridiculously potent late game deathball. He played to counter Idra's style and Idra loses.
Game two Idra took advantage of that giant timing window to let him macro things up and get drops ready to abuse the deathball's lack of mobility.
Game three Cruncher went for an earlish attack taking advantage of his micro. Idra didn't take that into account and made his roaches and drones as if his opponent couldn't micro instead of roaches and some zerglings. Had those roaches not been force fielded so well the game would probably have been Idra's win from there.
Idra started the BM war and got completely mind gamed. Cruncher practiced and did his research and deserved his win, but he didn't have to be as BM as he was in his interview. They're both good players and as fans you should be happy for your favorites win, but respect the other side too for their play. You may not like how they act but don't disrespect either of their very potent skills.
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Will you ever respect someone that said 'lol I'll win this walk-over game ezpz' on pre-game interview and constantly trash-talking on the lobby?
How can you expecting Cruncher to be modest after all of that blows my mind.
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i really don't see why a  is SUCH a bif BM/trollin to some people... I do it on games when opponents are being disrespectful to me... I f i would have been on Cruncher's position i would have :D 'ed Idra... Just because he deserved that... Don't believe me?
http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2689991&postcount=152
Then, in his interview, Cruncher was just being honest, maybe a little bit too big mouthed, but still, anyone who gets insulted in that way (remember that this game was gonna be a "walkover" for Idra) has at least the legitimate right to laugh, to be happy in a never unrespectfull way -i think Cruncher has been almost as mannered as possible given the facts-.
Sorry Idra, but you lost in a legal way. GJ Cruncher, hope you go back to be a quiet yet desirefull guy.
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Lol and people say IdrA is BM. We got another BM machine named Cruncher ^^.
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Wow, after reading that interview I really really hope Mondragon just snaps Cruncher in half.
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Well played Cruncher. He pretty much echoed my thoughts - IdrA is overrated as fuck, has no gamesense, and is incredibly bm to boot.
Glad to see him get owned.
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there's a reason why idra had to leave korea b/c of having no practice partners
even the korean players don't like him, and that's actually something thats actually hard to do. you know something is wrong when you can't get along with korean pro gamers
did you see the group shot of gsl koreans and world team, idra would be pouting 5 feet away from everyone else while the rest of the group is smiling and having a good time
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so...how about that nada interview.
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Fuck Cruncher. IdrA overrated my ass.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 30 2011 09:56 xbankx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 03:52 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:46 purpose wrote:
So to sum it up. If Idra lose he is not playing his best and so the opponent is just lucky. And when Idra is bm and troll people before they even played or deserved it, he is good for the interest.
But when a guy like Cruncher just respond to a cocky and bm attitude before the game was even played, he is bm and childish etc etc etc.
Yea that makes sens.
Tbh playing on top of your game is kinda what tourneys is all about. If you cant brin gout your A game when needed you are not the best simple as that. You cant go around claiming that a player is the best but that he just is not on top when it matters. No, the difference is, IdrA doesn't bm you to make you rage or feel bad, he's just venting his anger without thinking about that. Cruncher is just bming for the sake of making others rage. While I did think the smiley @ the end of that game was great, his interview is just bragging about how he thinks he made idra rage and it's just pathetic overall, it's nothing to be proud of. Wait how does calling someone walkover or say that you have no skill not make you rage? If I meet you on ladder and tell you that on ladder. Are you gonna be like "thx, I appreciate that".
I'd roll over you and laugh @ you afterwards, but that would be about it, I wouldn't talk about laughing about you all the time in an interview.
If you feel insulted because someone else thinks they're far better than you than you have issues. There's always gonna be someone who will be far superior to anything you do, always.
If you can't handle the truth like IdrA stated you better man up.
On March 30 2011 15:27 akalarry wrote:
there's a reason why idra had to leave korea b/c of having no practice partners
even the korean players don't like him, and that's actually something thats actually hard to do. you know something is wrong when you can't get along with korean pro gamers
did you see the group shot of gsl koreans and world team, idra would be pouting 5 feet away from everyone else while the rest of the group is smiling and having a good time
He actually had plenty of practice partners, iirc he even practiced with genius. It's just oGs who dislike IdrA.
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On March 30 2011 11:13 growl wrote:
Maybe I would walk away somewhat amused.
This is more or less what Cruncher did with the smiley face.
Also I really like the honesty in Cruncher's statements. I mean COME ON, it was 100% obvious that he had a huge banana-grin for probably several hours. What is he supposed to say "I'm happy with this win, I'm looking forward to my Ro16 matches, thx for interviewing me"? Everybody loves defeating bad-mannered people, show me ONE player who doesn't get warm and fuzzy inside when he stomps somebody who has talked down to him before the match.
To cut the long story short: any other statements of Cruncher wouldn't have been a sign of modesty, they would've been straight up lies. IdrA definitely got this interview coming, there's no reason why Cruncher shouldn't be allowed to talk about how he really felt.
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On March 30 2011 15:54 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 09:56 xbankx wrote:On March 30 2011 03:52 JackDino wrote:On March 30 2011 03:46 purpose wrote:
So to sum it up. If Idra lose he is not playing his best and so the opponent is just lucky. And when Idra is bm and troll people before they even played or deserved it, he is good for the interest.
But when a guy like Cruncher just respond to a cocky and bm attitude before the game was even played, he is bm and childish etc etc etc.
Yea that makes sens.
Tbh playing on top of your game is kinda what tourneys is all about. If you cant brin gout your A game when needed you are not the best simple as that. You cant go around claiming that a player is the best but that he just is not on top when it matters. No, the difference is, IdrA doesn't bm you to make you rage or feel bad, he's just venting his anger without thinking about that. Cruncher is just bming for the sake of making others rage. While I did think the smiley @ the end of that game was great, his interview is just bragging about how he thinks he made idra rage and it's just pathetic overall, it's nothing to be proud of. Wait how does calling someone walkover or say that you have no skill not make you rage? If I meet you on ladder and tell you that on ladder. Are you gonna be like "thx, I appreciate that". I'd roll over you and laugh @ you afterwards, but that would be about it, I wouldn't talk about laughing about you all the time in an interview. If you feel insulted because someone else thinks they're far better than you than you have issues. There's always gonna be someone who will be far superior to anything you do, always. If you can't handle the truth like IdrA stated you better man up. Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 15:27 akalarry wrote:
there's a reason why idra had to leave korea b/c of having no practice partners
even the korean players don't like him, and that's actually something thats actually hard to do. you know something is wrong when you can't get along with korean pro gamers
did you see the group shot of gsl koreans and world team, idra would be pouting 5 feet away from everyone else while the rest of the group is smiling and having a good time He actually had plenty of practice partners, iirc he even practiced with genius. It's just oGs who dislike IdrA.
IdrA did mos tof his training with Axslav
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Mondi you modest sick bad boy! :D
ZeeRax got totally wrecked, can't wait to see mondi vs cruncher.
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cruncharrrrrr fighting! nice interviews can't wait to see mondragon vs cruncher, it's going to be very epic.
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Always fun when someoneplays the heel, calls someone out, gets beat then goes all "no gg". Fair play to Cruncher there, reminds me of the Zenio slap and the "Idra should stop being a dick" in the follow up interview. Fucking stupid how Idra fans are getting all riled up about someone talking shit to THE GUY WHO IS FAMOUS FOR BEING A DICK TO EVERYONE (and was a class 1 dick in and before the series).
No more Idra fanboys in TSL3 can only a good thing though right?
While I agree Idra is mechanically the better player and was in the series his decision making was off par that day. And since SC2 is about beating the other guy into the ground and not about who can make the most workers (although it greatly helps the latter), Cruncher took the series.
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