EPTI think that's the best point from all the posts about this topic. That's something you mods should keep in mind the most, imo, when debating what to do here. Normally your policies are strict but logical... but yeah. I mean, if this happened in 2003 when the community was small, what would the more clowny posters have said? I wasn't around then, but I imagine the reactions would've been similar to what they were today.
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
I think that's the best point from all the posts about this topic. That's something you mods should keep in mind the most, imo, when debating what to do here. Normally your policies are strict but logical... but yeah. I mean, if this happened in 2003 when the community was small, what would the more clowny posters have said? I wasn't around then, but I imagine the reactions would've been similar to what they were today. | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
The moderators wouldn't have to make purges like that if people only posted with more thought, I think all of TL should read that thread and seriously ask themselves if they think posts like that are what they want in their community. I know I certainly don't | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On August 31 2011 15:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Since there are actually people in this thread who think Kwark's action were wrong, I want to stand up and let my full support for his actions be known. Kwark that was the right thing, you have this TL user's respect. The moderators wouldn't have to make purges like that if people only posted with more thought, I think all of TL should read that thread and seriously ask themselves if they think posts like that are what they want in their community. I know I certainly don't I sent Kwark a PM thanking him, but I guess I'll make it public for others to see, too. I don't think that most of that thread is the kind of posting that TL needs or deserves on it's forums. A general forum purge would be a beautiful thing. Same with the LR threads. | ||
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XCetron
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
Moderation should not be a moderator against the community relationship, but rather one that selectively weeds out the extreme posts, which sets the tone for a thread (and the forums in general) in and of itself. As a whole, TL staff does an exemplary job at this, which is why TL has the reputation it does. | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
On August 31 2011 15:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: LR threads can never be fixed, that's my opinion of the matter. General though, I agree a purge is in order.I sent Kwark a PM thanking him, but I guess I'll make it public for others to see, too. I don't think that most of that thread is the kind of posting that TL needs or deserves on it's forums. A general forum purge would be a beautiful thing. Same with the LR threads. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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gostunv
Japan1178 Posts
On August 31 2011 15:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Since there are actually people in this thread who think Kwark's action were wrong, I want to stand up and let my full support for his actions be known. Kwark that was the right thing, you have this TL user's respect. The moderators wouldn't have to make purges like that if people only posted with more thought, I think all of TL should read that thread and seriously ask themselves if they think posts like that are what they want in their community. I know I certainly don't im here to say not that kwark's actions were wrong. the mod's jobs are to enforce whatever rules the site owner's wishes to see on his forums. if the staff believes these types of people shouldnt be here then well the purge will happen and its whats best for the site. but to call upon the integrity of being a human being to those who laughed or "had fun" at the expense of this little child getting hurt, myself included, is frankly imo absurd. im quite positive that most of these posters wouldnt have wrote "lol" and such if the kid was reported to have died from this incident. possibilities and results are two different things and i think most people understand that. that being said i think most people would not write those things if there were rules against posting these "dark humor" posts. would be nice if we could get a clear guideline on that. wont stop me from laughing irl though. | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
On August 31 2011 15:42 Craton wrote: LR threads are moderated well and a lot of people get banned but to me it seems like a never-ending cycle, LR threads are so shitty that there will always be a shit-ton of people banned.LR threads already have stringent rules, though. The only troublesome posts I see in General involve something religiously or politically charged, as people tend to be very polarized. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
As for the ethics, I don't think actual violence is a joking matter. Period. If I accidentally knocked a radio into the bathtub, I wouldn't laugh about it right after coming out unharmed, and I would be very offended by anyone who did. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On August 31 2011 15:48 gostunv wrote: im here to say not that kwark's actions were wrong. the mod's jobs are to enforce whatever rules the site owner's wishes to see on his forums. if the staff believes these types of people shouldnt be here then well the purge will happen and its whats best for the site. but to call upon the integrity of being a human being to those who laughed or "had fun" at the expense of this little child getting hurt, myself included, is frankly imo absurd. im quite positive that most of these posters wouldnt have wrote "lol" and such if the kid was reported to have died from this incident. possibilities and results are two different things and i think most people understand that. that being said i think most people would not write those things if there were rules against posting these "dark humor" posts. would be nice if we could get a clear guideline on that. wont stop me from laughing irl though. They weren't little children -- the shooter and rock throwers were all 16-17 years old. The OP was rather lacking in information, which I feel contributed to much of this. Some of the jokes were light-hearted and in good taste, which didn't need to be moderated. Others, like what I linked, were way over-the-line. That said, much of the animosity involved the perception that it was adults attempting to kill a little child, when that was completely inaccurate. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 31 2011 15:54 Craton wrote: They weren't little children -- the shooter and rock throwers were all 16-17 years old. The OP was rather lacking in information, which I feel contributed to much of this. Some of the jokes were light-hearted and in good taste, which didn't need to be moderated. Others, like what I linked, were way over-the-line. That said, much of the animosity involved the perception that it was adults attempting to kill a little child, when that was completely inaccurate. This fact is pointless. Everyone in the thread thought it was a small child and responded to the thread as if it were a small child -- you can't just apply revisionist history to the bad posting as if they all knew it wasn't a child. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
The more important point to all of this is if the perception of a majority of posters differs from that of a moderator, it needs to signal some bells and whistles before mass bans. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
 It sent a good message of what is expected here. Oh well, continue on avoiding most of the General topics :< | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On August 31 2011 14:59 Plexa wrote: Purges need to be conducted in the right manner else it throws all our moderation practices out the window. We can't have one mod deciding to ban half a thread without consulting more people. The moderation staff need to be on the same page before purges begin, that wasn't the case today. Kwark's heart was definitely in the right place today, it's just that he jumped the gun on the issue. I completely agree. I substituted abbreviation in favor of a longer post. I know there's a lot of activity in this thread currently and, well, there's a lot to read. I don't want to take up so much real estate when many other people with just as important posts have things to say. No, having one moderator taking severe action is not for the best. However I'm afraid I still want to subscribe that it was the correct action, even if the method was prohibited by the staff. At the end of it all, we need to hold ourselves (the general userbase) to a higher standard. If people fail to get their shit together then I dearly hope a ban wave comes down. Cheers Plexy | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
Edit: Some examples "Nobody has been arrested." That guy is a fucking hero. Heroic shot. This is a very funny story, I"ll side with the cross-bow user. You mad brah? Fuck yes. Good job bow men. And a last one that was borderline, but by a quality poster: lolol as long as it wasn't a headshot! tsk kids nowadays. luckily they learn the meaning of karma more quickly. And this was just from the first page ._. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7953 Posts
On August 31 2011 14:56 Craton wrote: Being deathly serious about everything, even when someone says early on the kid is alright, is not the sign of a good forum. Your view of TL's progression is completely inverted -- look at some of the many ancient threads by notorious vets like Rekrul that have since been bumped and the quality of posts those contain. In a huge number of those cases, the posts in these threads, and the OPs themselves, would be instant bans today. The quality of the forums has not had some magical degradation -- it's largely nostalgia. Seriously, it's not being serious about everything, it's not laughing when a kid get shot, crossbow or not. You can laugh about everything, if it's funny. None of these post were funny. And the OP was not even meant to be funny. Saying "well done crossbowman it will teach the little fag" as I have seen in this thread is not humor. It's disgusting. Rekrul would be rightfully banned for every single post he makes if he was not Rekrul. That doesn't mean his posts are bad, that means they would be bad if he was not the one posting them. You cannot dissociate the content and the person who post, especially if this person is semi-legendary here. It's not about double standard, but that the context is made totally different by who is the author. I got severely annoyed last time Kwark banned me, but I really really agree with him on that one. This looked like Youtube forums, or 4chan. | ||
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