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On August 31 2011 13:50 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:48 Antisocialmunky wrote:While it is a bit inconsistent to throw down the hammer like that I guess a line needs to be drawn at some point. I just wished they did it with all the random conspiracy nuts more often. :\ My entire moderation history is due to being a smartass and an asshole. I'm rather proficient at both. If I'm not being either one in a thread, it should absolutely be a clear sign to everyone else that they shouldn't either.
I suppose that's a barometer knowing you from over in tech, lol. I dunno, General is generally pretty loose and you see a lot of callous posts that don't lead to bans. Like I said, it seems like he picked that thread to make a point.
I don't really disagree with that but it seems to be an abberation to smack common decency into people.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=899#17988
And Empyrean gets in on the action...
And I'm all for a mod ripping this one apart. I've got a kid, I remember being a kid, and anyone who can joke about that, (even though the kid was absolutely being a dumbass), is a prick at best.
There's some things you don't joke about when you don't know the people you're joking with. I have a few friends I can see myself cracking jokes about this sort of thing with in private, but knowing your audience is critical to that kind of humor.
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ooooh blade55555 didn't survive the ban wave
i like his posting on the strategy forums
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+ Show Spoiler [Law Stuff] +On August 31 2011 13:50 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:48 Antisocialmunky wrote:While it is a bit inconsistent to throw down the hammer like that I guess a line needs to be drawn at some point. I just wished they did it with all the random conspiracy nuts more often. :\ My entire moderation history is due to being a smartass and an asshole. I'm rather proficient at both. If I'm not being either one in a thread, it should absolutely be a clear sign to everyone else that they shouldn't either. Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 31 2011 13:48 Antisocialmunky wrote:While it is a bit inconsistent to throw down the hammer like that I guess a line needs to be drawn at some point. I just wished they did it with all the random conspiracy nuts more often. :\ Conspiracy nuts are one thing, but actually trying to say that it's right and commendable to commit aggravated assault on a minor seems out of line. Could've easily become second degree murder, too. They'd probably have gone with voluntary manslaughter, really. Seems like it would be easier to stick. Not that that makes it less despicable, just considering the more likely charge. Meh, I'm not too familiar with law, but Wikipedia brought me here: http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.htmlWith: Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Shooting someone with a crossbow seems like "dangerous conduct with an obvious lack of concern for human life" to me. It also seems more like that, because the driver would have had to stop, roll down his window, and shoot the crossbow, or else drive around the block again to get to the kid. Doesn't seem like something that was done only "in the heat of the moment", because it was a process that took time and thought to prepare, and because it seemed like a gross over-reaction. Like I said though, I don't know too much about Law, and this is kind of derailing, so if you know more than me from having studied Law, or are a lawyer or something, feel free to PM me, because I'd be interested in what you have to say if I'm incorrect in my cursory assessment.
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I bet the other mods have a pool going on Kwark's swing count by now. A purge worthy of Thor himself.
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I feel sad guys.
I started the thread because I thought it was a bizarre story. 
I didn't know people were going to get banned like crazy.
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What a joke, most of the people getting temp banned were merely stating an opinion.
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'Tis a slaughter of epic proportions.
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On August 31 2011 14:08 spacemonkeyy wrote:
What a joke, most of the people getting temp banned were merely stating an opinion.
An opinion espousing criminal behavior. There's a line with opinion that people shouldn't cross.
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On August 31 2011 14:08 Zergneedsfood wrote:I feel sad guys. I started the thread because I thought it was a bizarre story. I didn't know people were going to get banned like crazy.
Don't feel bad, all you did was give a bunch of jerks and fools the opportunity to expose themselves. It was bizarre and an interesting read, but this is TL. A magical land of hope and endless arguing over everything, even the most stupid and indefensible actions.
Well, either that or twenty pages of people saying "Gosh, how terrible!" Pick your poison.
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On August 31 2011 14:16 nemo14 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 14:08 Zergneedsfood wrote:I feel sad guys. I started the thread because I thought it was a bizarre story. I didn't know people were going to get banned like crazy. Don't feel bad, all you did was give a bunch of jerks and fools the opportunity to expose themselves. It was bizarre and an interesting read, but this is TL. A magical land of hope and endless arguing over everything, even the most stupid and indefensible actions. Well, either that or twenty pages of people saying "Gosh, how terrible!" Pick your poison.
I still feel bad.
edit: okay then 
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So any bets on how many people still laugh at it and get banned even after that mini purge?
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It wasn't your fault.
2 warnings.
54 temp bans
2 bans.
Wow. I don't know how to expediently .. parse (I think) the last 4 pages of the ABL to see how many 2 days, 1 week, 2 weeks but most were 2 day bans.
All of them were deserved
Don't post like that guys. This isn't 4chan.
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On August 31 2011 13:57 Caladbolg wrote:It wasn't unusual in the sense of interesting - it's a pretty barbaric way of saying "get off my lawn". A crime against a person is committed and people laugh about it? I think that's bannable. They deserve those bans more than the kid deserved a quarrel in his belly.
There's a saying about the state of society when they're unable to find humor in a dark situation. There's nothing to even discuss in a thread like that -- you comment on "well, using a crossbow is unusual," an early post points out the kid is doing fine, and people find humor in something so unusual happening. It angers me that a moderator would infer people are making light of it out of malice or bad will to the kid, when it's obviously not the case.
Postering with stuff like "your move, TL" just puts an even worse taste in my mouth.
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On August 31 2011 14:17 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 14:16 nemo14 wrote:On August 31 2011 14:08 Zergneedsfood wrote:I feel sad guys. I started the thread because I thought it was a bizarre story. I didn't know people were going to get banned like crazy. Don't feel bad, all you did was give a bunch of jerks and fools the opportunity to expose themselves. It was bizarre and an interesting read, but this is TL. A magical land of hope and endless arguing over everything, even the most stupid and indefensible actions. Well, either that or twenty pages of people saying "Gosh, how terrible!" Pick your poison. I still feel bad. edit: okay then
Those threads are actually good for TL. That way, all the assholes congregate in a single thread, so tracking them down and banning them is easier.
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On August 31 2011 14:10 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 14:08 spacemonkeyy wrote:
What a joke, most of the people getting temp banned were merely stating an opinion. An opinion espousing criminal behavior. There's a line with opinion that people shouldn't cross.
I couldn't disagree with you more. People are free to have and expression bad opinions. Comedy, especially, has no borders.
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On August 31 2011 14:08 Zergneedsfood wrote:I feel sad guys. I started the thread because I thought it was a bizarre story. I didn't know people were going to get banned like crazy.
You started a thread with information on recent news I thank you for informing me of it even though it was sad, I'm sure that many people feel the same.
Its not your fault that the comments of some of the readers were not so intelligent, I was going to comment but I have a rule that I just do not join in on a thread if there are to many posters that lost the plot a little, I don’t need my view to be seen that badly that I post anyway like some people do its weird when they just post only to agree with someone and add no insight of their own.
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Someone just released the KwarKEN !
I remember throwing water from my window to the cars passing under. I was using a bowl, and once the bowl slipped from my hands and landed on the car's windshield. I'm glad no one had any kind of archaic weapon in the neighborhood.
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On August 31 2011 14:22 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:57 Caladbolg wrote:It wasn't unusual in the sense of interesting - it's a pretty barbaric way of saying "get off my lawn". A crime against a person is committed and people laugh about it? I think that's bannable. They deserve those bans more than the kid deserved a quarrel in his belly. There's a saying about the state of society when they're unable to find humor in a dark situation. There's nothing to even discuss in a thread like that -- you comment on "well, using a crossbow is unusual," an early post points out the kid is doing fine, and people find humor in something so unusual happening. It angers me that a moderator would infer people are making light of it out of malice or bad will to the kid, when it's obviously not the case.
That saying has always been twisted to justify offensive jokes. Humor in a dark situation refers to those people involved in the dark situation. If, when tragedy strikes you, you have the strength and resolve to deal with it smiling, then that speaks of character. If, when tragedy strikes another, you have the gall to say "he deserves it"... even if stated jokingly without specific malice, that speaks of your character as well, in a not-so-noble light.
I see your point, but my perspective comes from a clear idea that a crime against the child had just occurred, without a justifying circumstance. The fact that people even remotely consider rocks thrown at a car to be justifying boggles my mind. Some rational equivalence, please?
I couldn't disagree with you more. People are free to have and expression bad opinions. Comedy, especially, has no borders.
I understand your disagreement, but people are absolutely free to have bad opinions. People are not always free to express them. There lies the difference. That's why there are movie ratings, book ratings, regulations on public nudity, etc.
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Is there an acceptable waiting period that must be had before something can be made light of? Should jokes about war, famine, economic disparities, etc. never be made?
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