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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 17:18:23
April 24 2013 09:21 GMT
#1
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Welcome to the TL Book Club! Now I know you must be saying to yourself, "Haven't I seen this very thing before?". Well, you most certainly have, but I'm hoping that as the summer of '13 approaches, TL's yearning for perspective and knowledge stumbles upon new found invigoration. Won't you be so kind as to join me in putting this motivation to good use as we read a few good books and argue about them?

+ Show Spoiler [About me] +
I suppose it would make sense for me to provide some sorts of credentials in pursuit of convincing anyone to take what I say at all seriously. At the risk of sounding cliche and self-indulgent (which I'm sure most who know me as a poster have come to expect), I've been surrounded by books my entire life, and decided upon a course of serious literary study around senior year of high school. I worked closely alongside a number of published professors of English Literature during my time at the Ohio State University, and focused on Postmodernism, Modernism, Medieval/ Early Modern English Lit, and Critical Theory in my studies. Because I was that annoying kid who enjoyed having basically 1-on-1 conversations with the professor in front of the class for 30 minutes at a time (everyone else's questions weren't very good anyway ), I had the opportunity to lead class and facilitate discussion groups rather frequently. On some level, I know it just sounds like I'm annoying and bossy, but I promise you that I've got interesting things to say if you'll do me the honor


In terms of approach, I'm definitely not a fan of singular New Criticism, or singular any sort of criticism for that matter. Reader Response, Marxist, Post-Structuralist, Psychoanalytic, Postcolonialist, and Queer Theory perspectives among many others all have their utility, and it is ultimately the reader who holds the keys. In terms of choosing a lens with which to view a book, I think it best for a reader to learn as much as they can as they fill in the background of a particular work (through historical references, short stories, essays, perhaps even a bit of poetry!), so I'll be sure to provide as much of this as I can alongside whatever work we decide to go with. Our format of discussion will revolve around this thread in order to avoid any time zone issues, though perhaps we'll steal way to irc or skype from time to time when folks are up for it.

When it comes to reading schedule, we'll be opting for slow rather than fast every time, with likely around 30-80 pages every week or two depending on the difficulty of the material and whether or not we have any good supplementary material to go over.

I've chosen 10 books/pairings that I can lead a good discussion on, and we'll go through 3 or 4 votes in order to narrow it down. I've rated them 1-5 as an indicator of my estimation of their difficulty. I am of the mind that one of the biggest reasons book clubs on forums like TL tend to fail deals with how difficult it is to find a book everyone can find good motivation to read; I hope I've made the process exhaustive enough to tease out something good.

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The Choices


1.

The Prague Cemetery (2010)
by Umberto Eco
Difficulty rating: 4~5

His most recent novel, and supposedly his best since The Name of The Rose, The Prague Cemetery revolves around supposedly the least likeable character in fiction (according to Eco) as he travels about Europe during the 19th century and witnesses a great many traumatic and tremendous events. It's Eco, so intertexutality is the name of the game, and we'd pretty much be learning a great deal of 19th century European history alongside it. Still, Eco's works tend to be incredibly rewarding, and are an excellent means of gaining access to a huge breadth of knowledge all at once.

2.

To The Lighthouse (1927)
by Virginia Woolf
Difficulty rating: 4

This is a book I have studied very closely, and I would love for nothing more than to share my insights with y'all. It is story of a journey to a lighthouse that ends up taking many, many years while a painter comes to terms with precisely how she wants to finish a work of art that also suffers from a nagging incompletion. This is one of those novels in which nothing really happens, and yet along the way the entire life and time of the Ramsey family is filled in with wonderful detail. Inherent to Woolf's formalism in TTL is a certain sort of commentary on how people interact with one another, and how multiple minds can operate at dramatically different frequencies given similar conditions, in addition to a number of, shall I say, headier representations of things such as the passage of time.
It's good; trust me.

3.

James Joyce

Difficulty rating: 3~6

I've made this choice simply James Joyce for a number of reasons, the largest being that I rather enjoy all of his major works, and I think each could likely be handled by TL given the motivation. We would likely be choosing from Dubliners (3), A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man (4), Ulysses(5, though Corum says 4 ), and Finnegan's Wake (6). Their difficulty lines up roughly in that order from easiest to hardest, with Ulysses and Finnegans Wake being significant jumps in difficulty. The latter two require "large investments" to put it one way, and it would take a strong consensus for us to choose them. In any case, I'd love to have a reason to reread any one of them.

4.

On Beauty (2005)
by Zadie Smith
alongside
Howard's End (1910) by E.M. Forster
Difficulty rating: 3

I've wanted to do these two together ever since I read On Beauty for the first time. OB revolves around two families of rather unique makeups as their lives proceed to intertwine. Much of it takes in and around a small Massachusetts liberal arts college town, and the ideas of race, politicization, aesthetics, higher education, class, gender, among a host of others take center stage as the reader learns more about the Belsey's and the Kipp's. OB is roughly based on Howard's End, the Forster classic which pokes holes in the classic British social hierarchy as the very human characters prove time and time again that all lines are arbitrary. While the writing in both isn't all that difficult to get through, this would require a fair amount of reading, as both are not small books. Something to keep in mind.

5.

Les Particules élémentaires, or Atomized (1998)
by Michel Houellebecq
Difficulty rating: 3~4

Having never read this book and yet having always wanted to, I don't know a great amount of detail on this one. Definitely on the postmodern side of things, this book tells the story of two brothers and their experience of a sort of existential anguish brought on by modern society. Lots of vulgar weirdness takes place, as sex and sex addiction are a frequent topic, and the general theme is rather bleak, so this may not be for everyone. There are likely ample opportunities for discussions of existentialism to take place alongside this, so expect that sort of thing as supplementary material (Everyone brushed up on their Camus, Sartre, and Dostoyevsky?) What's especially cool though is that we might have the chance to speak on translation and its effects on a book via differences in interpretation; that is if at least one of TL's esteemed French community will join us.

6.

V. (1963)
by Thomas Pynchon
Difficulty rating: 4.5

Pynchon's first novel, it serves as an excellent discursive introduction to his whiplash style of story-telling, which, unsurprisingly, formally challenges many ideas as to what exactly constitutes a story. Two plotlines seek to converge at the end of the novel; in one, we follow the main character Benney, his friend Stencil, and other members of a group known as the Whole Sick Crew in 1956. In the other, Stencil's attempts to discover the identity of a mysterious figure known as V. take the shape of interspersed historical crises intertwined via the frame of Stencil searching through history for clues as to the identity of V. (We'll get to see where the movie Black Swan comes from). Granted, this book is pretty tough; there is tons going on, many characters, and a fair bit that just won't make sense no matter how you paint it during a given reading. I think it will be extremely rewarding nonetheless.

7.

The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao (2007)
by Junot Diaz
Difficulty rating: 2~3

Definitely one of the breezier choices, this book is like a delicious flan; sweet, easy to consume, and likely difficult to prepare just right. Oscar is a fatboy Dominican nerd with an obsession for sci-fi novels and finding his one true love. In the background we are given an incredibly detailed and moving history of the Dominican people, both here in the US and back in the Dominican Republic. I can guarantee that almost every single poster on TL can see a bit of themselves in Oscar, and the story does a wonderful job of intermingling historic fact with compelling fiction. This is a book we can literally just pick right up and be done with in relatively short order, so this might be a good starter.

8.

Du côté de chez Swann, or Swann's Way (1913)
by Marcel Proust
Difficulty rating: 4~5

As volume one of À la recherche du temps perdu, or In Search of Lost Time, this book forms a cornerstone of the Modernist canon as the introduction to one of the greatest (and longest ) stories ever told. As one might expect, memory, recollection, time and its passage, and how these things operate in and around human relationships are the soup du jour. The writing is mostly very dense with a great amount of detail, so we'll be taking this one on the slower side, which will also give us time to get some valuable input from our French friends.

9.

Die Leiden des jungen Werthers, or The Sorrows of Young Werther (1774, revised in 1787)
by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Difficulty rating: 3

Credited by some as the world's first "best-seller", TSOYW more or less marks the beginning of Romanticism as a literary movement (alongside the French Revolution of course!), and would serve as an excellent jumping off point for a great many other works, from Wordsworth and Keats to Pushkin and Chateaubriand. In what forms a sort of response and counter to the Enlightenment, the German literary movement known as Sturm und Drang (literally Storm and Drive) circles around an archetypal main character who is both sensitive yet driven to action, a being ultimately unable to resist the interpolations of experience as they sometimes override even the instinctual desire to live. Again, if we happen to have any German-speaking TL'ers join us, we'll be especially blessed. This would definitely be a fairly academic undertaking, so take that into consideration. (We could also consider any other major Romantic work as centerpiece, so if you've any alternative suggestions, feel free to PM me)


10.

Junkie (1953)
by William S. Burroughs
alongside
Confessions of an Opium Eater (1821) by Thomas De Quincy
Difficulty rating: 2~3

I can think of no better way to jump into counter culture than to start off with the OOG of dope followed up by the OG of dope. COAOE, alongside Kublai Kahn among a few other works, presents readers with one of the first literary depictions of drug use and it's effects on consciousness and lifestyle; readers follow De Quincey's autobiographical account of his laudenum addiction, and one can't help but notice that De Quincey has an awfully hard time coming up with bad things to say about the drug. This segues nicely into Burroughs' account of 1950's American Heroin culture. Burroughs pulls no punches in Junkie; the stunningly deleterious effects of heroin are left bare for all to see, and the confessional build-up of the novel would go on to be a hallmark of Burroughs' style.






Our first choice is Dubliners! For those of you without books, Project Gutenberg has a free, digital copy that can be accessed here. Everyone try and have the next four stories, or "After the Race", "Two Gallants", "The Boarding House", and "A Little Cloud", read for this Sunday the 19th. Below are links to pertinent posts. I've also set up an irc channel #TLBC, and will do my best to idle there as much as possible, so stop on by if you've got any questions or concerns.

Prologue: Irish Nationalism and the Roots of Modernist Expression in Ireland.






Thanks to Azera for the layout and design, and thanks to sam!zdat for being banned so that we may read books.
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
April 24 2013 09:22 GMT
#2
Here's to a great thread!
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 17:21:52
April 24 2013 17:20 GMT
#3
Books I'm most interested in : To The Lighthouse, James Joyce, Les Particules élémentaires, and rereading Du Côté de chez Swann for the 4th time :D
I think it would be good not to start by Joyce and Proust first, so I'm inclined to suggest Virginia Woolf, especially if you know it very well. After that I'll be happy to share my "valuable input" (I hope^^) on Proust, cause Proust is just that good. Also from what I've read from Ulysses, I'd say it's definitely a 4.
Also thank you very much Farva !
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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
April 24 2013 17:29 GMT
#4
James Joyce sucks
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
April 24 2013 17:33 GMT
#5
On April 25 2013 02:29 N.geNuity wrote:
James Joyce sucks

Just vote for Woolf or Proust then please :p
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
April 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#6
I'd be interested in reading Junky, because i actually have it. I mean i have some joyce too but the dude was way into farts and all that, which is just out of left field for me.
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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
April 24 2013 17:44 GMT
#7
These all sound really cool. Can't wait for this to start.
dreaming of a sunny day
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
April 24 2013 17:57 GMT
#8
I'm up for anything, especially Joyce(which I voted for), Woolf or Proust. However, as some have said, it might not be wise to start with "difficult" authors.

Also, if people are willing I would be happy to recommend some portuguese language books(be it brazilian or portuguese, I'm not familiar with literature from other portuguese speaking countries).
Golden Ghost
Profile Joined February 2003
Netherlands1041 Posts
April 24 2013 18:03 GMT
#9
Voted for Umberto Eco's The Prague Cemetery as I have it in my bookcase but have not yet read it.
I would also love to reread James Joyce's Ulysses (tedious read the first time, interesting to see what a second read would bring me) or The sorrows of young Werther (I have previously read this in Dutch but would be open for the challenge of reading it in German)

Junkie/Confessions & Atomized also sound interesting.
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Schmoooopy
Profile Joined July 2011
United States448 Posts
April 24 2013 18:22 GMT
#10
Oh, great, this sounds brilliant. As others have mentioned, I voted for Woolf. I've wanted an excuse to read "To the Lighthouse" for a long time. I think it'll be a great read for us.

If anyone else will be up for it, I recommend Gabriel Garcia-Marquez's "One Hundred Years of Solitude." I read it for a senior literature course last year but would love to read it again. Partly because it's written originally in Spanish, the language of the novel exudes so much passion and fervor. Truly a great work of fiction and fantasy.

farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 19:41:02
April 24 2013 19:34 GMT
#11
#dmnum, definitely hit me up with a list of Portuguese works when you've got the time. I'd love to have a chance to read some, as I've never really been exposed to much in that area.

#Schmoopy, I'll definitely add some Gabriel Garcia Marquez to the list in the future, though we might do a work of his with which fewer people are familiar. I'd definitely be up for rereading OHYOS though
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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
April 24 2013 20:16 GMT
#12
If we decided to do Joyce, I think Dubliners would be a really interesting work of his to read. I tried to read part of it long time ago but it was a bit over my head at that point.
dreaming of a sunny day
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
April 24 2013 21:13 GMT
#13
The lighthouse all the way heard really great reviews from that book
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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
April 24 2013 21:41 GMT
#14
It isn't mentioned anywhere in the OP but I was wondering, is there a sort of schedule with which we want to read these things? I would assume that we would want something like, try to have read the book before X day so that we can all discuss it after that. Otherwise it might be difficult to have a coherent discussion since everyone will just be chiming in to the thread when they finish instead of having a unified discussion.
dreaming of a sunny day
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
April 24 2013 21:47 GMT
#15
On April 25 2013 06:41 packrat386 wrote:
It isn't mentioned anywhere in the OP but I was wondering, is there a sort of schedule with which we want to read these things? I would assume that we would want something like, try to have read the book before X day so that we can all discuss it after that. Otherwise it might be difficult to have a coherent discussion since everyone will just be chiming in to the thread when they finish instead of having a unified discussion.

I didn't include any hard set schedule in the OP because I want to do at least one more vote to finalize the book choice and see how many people end up voting. Once we have a book chosen, I'm thinking Sunday is a good benchmark day with which to encourage people to have a certain amount read by each week. Every Monday I'll put up a supplementary post with stuff relative to the current reading section or pertinent background info. This post will also include the next weeks chunk of reading, which may change depending on if I have something I'm just dying for everyone to read short story/essay-wise
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 24 2013 23:10 GMT
#16
oh, you finished it. congrats!
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
April 24 2013 23:26 GMT
#17
I will join you if I have the book. Which at this point is only Ulysses/FW and to the lighthouse
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
April 24 2013 23:45 GMT
#18
Interesting idea. If I will find time I would definitely be interested. I always wanted to read Ulysses, but from what I heard I would probably not like it. Eco is on the other hand one of my top 5 authors and I did not read the new book yet, so Eco has my vote.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
April 25 2013 00:09 GMT
#19
Eco! :D

Have Baudolino sitting on my bookshelf (unread), and this will give me the excuse to grab another one of his books.

Thanks for putting this together, farv!
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
April 25 2013 00:33 GMT
#20
Absolutely brilliant idea! I might be a bit strapped for time until August, but I will definitely try to join no matter what we end up reading.

And lol @ sam!zdat shoutout :p
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