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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
April 25 2013 00:40 GMT
#21
On April 25 2013 09:33 Ghostcom wrote:
Absolutely brilliant idea! I might be a bit strapped for time until August, but I will definitely try to join no matter what we end up reading.

And lol @ sam!zdat shoutout :p


I mean, originally this was supposed to be the sam!zdat memorial book club
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Diaresta
Profile Joined February 2012
United States597 Posts
April 25 2013 01:52 GMT
#22
Brilliant idea! I'd love to join in if I can find the time. I'm excited to see how well this works
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Schmoooopy
Profile Joined July 2011
United States448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 04:06:07
April 25 2013 04:05 GMT
#23
On April 25 2013 04:34 farvacola wrote:
#Schmoopy, I'll definitely add some Gabriel Garcia Marquez to the list in the future, though we might do a work of his with which fewer people are familiar. I'd definitely be up for rereading OHYOS though

I recommend Love in the Time of Cholera for a lesser known book of his. I haven't had the chance to read it, but I've heard it's very good and very faithful to Marquez's style in One Hundred Years.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
April 25 2013 06:49 GMT
#24
Really cool, excited for the slow reads
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 18:56:46
April 25 2013 18:54 GMT
#25
Alrighty, since it looks like we've gotten most of the likely voters accounted for, I'll go ahead and start the next round of voting. Because the "James Joyce" category gets a bit inflated via it's standing for multiple works, I've broken it down in the poll below. With the way the votes ended up going, we look to have a nice amount of interest in Modernism, and I'm definitely a fan of reading a Woolf right after a Joyce or vice versa, so that's something for y'all to keep in mind.

If your selection didn't make it to this round of voting, don't worry and stick around, I implore you! The more people we get into doing this consistently the easier it will be for us to get through more books. I won't even get into why it is always a good idea to let others choose ones' reading material from time to time; it just is.

(It is worth mentioning yet again that I highly caution against a flippant vote for Ulysses or Finnegans Wake. I enjoy a good literary "trial by fire", which is what close readings of the above two tend to end up like, but not everyone is as masochistic as I. All I am saying is that even if you've already read Dubliners or APOTAAAYM, it might be worth getting acquainted with this discussion format/group dynamic via more accessible works first.)

Poll: Let's narrow things down, shall we?

Dubliners (10)
 
38%

The Prague Cemetery (6)
 
23%

To The Lighthouse (5)
 
19%

Ulysses (4)
 
15%

A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man (1)
 
4%

Finnegans Wake (0)
 
0%

The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao (0)
 
0%

26 total votes

Your vote: Let's narrow things down, shall we?

(Vote): Dubliners
(Vote): A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
(Vote): Ulysses
(Vote): Finnegans Wake
(Vote): To The Lighthouse
(Vote): The Prague Cemetery
(Vote): The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao

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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 19:16:12
April 25 2013 19:06 GMT
#26
voted for ulysees, just to force myself to read it.

oh, and what do you guys think about some Brecht in the future?
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
April 25 2013 19:28 GMT
#27
I'm sad to see no vote for Proust, but I imagine those who are interested have been consumed by Joyce or something^^ I'll try to push it a little next time or the time after.
Apart from that, everything looks great, but if I may voice my opinion, let's not start with Ulysses^^
On April 26 2013 04:06 Paljas wrote:
voted for ulysees, just to force myself to read it.

oh, and what do you guys think about some Brecht in the future?

For two different reasons, I don't think theater and poetry are very good ideas.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
April 25 2013 19:39 GMT
#28
On April 26 2013 04:28 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'm sad to see no vote for Proust, but I imagine those who are interested have been consumed by Joyce or something^^ I'll try to push it a little next time or the time after.
Apart from that, everything looks great, but if I may voice my opinion, let's not start with Ulysses^^
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 04:06 Paljas wrote:
voted for ulysees, just to force myself to read it.

oh, and what do you guys think about some Brecht in the future?

For two different reasons, I don't think theater and poetry are very good ideas.

thinking about it, you are right.
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
April 25 2013 19:44 GMT
#29
On April 26 2013 04:39 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 04:28 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'm sad to see no vote for Proust, but I imagine those who are interested have been consumed by Joyce or something^^ I'll try to push it a little next time or the time after.
Apart from that, everything looks great, but if I may voice my opinion, let's not start with Ulysses^^
On April 26 2013 04:06 Paljas wrote:
voted for ulysees, just to force myself to read it.

oh, and what do you guys think about some Brecht in the future?

For two different reasons, I don't think theater and poetry are very good ideas.

thinking about it, you are right.

That being said, I have nothing against Brecht, on the contrary^^
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
April 25 2013 20:05 GMT
#30
I will refrain from voting as I am rather open to whatever, but if it ends up in a tiebreaker in which Ulysses is the one, can you please assign my vote to the other? I have already read Ulysses once and that is not something I foresee myself doing again anytime soon.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 20:08:35
April 25 2013 20:08 GMT
#31
Unless it somehow ends up the overwhelming favorite, we'll definitely put Ulysses on the back burner for now.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
April 25 2013 20:52 GMT
#32
Instead of Ulysses/Finnegan's Wake we can read Lem's parody of it. He wrote review of non-existent book written by Odysseus from Ithaca (American one). The reviewed book has cca 100 pages, commentaries and explanations have around 1000 and the book contains all the knowledge of humankind referenced in one way or another. For example if you pick 1st letters of pages numbered with primes and use them as coordinates in Monge projections you get plan of the cathedral in Chartres. Isn't that basically what reading Finnegan's Wake is ?
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 21:15:22
April 25 2013 21:14 GMT
#33
Yet to read much J.J. other than Dubliners so I voted for it!

Ulysses is my vote... although it could be a mistake.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
April 25 2013 21:35 GMT
#34
On April 26 2013 05:52 mcc wrote:
Instead of Ulysses/Finnegan's Wake we can read Lem's parody of it. He wrote review of non-existent book written by Odysseus from Ithaca (American one). The reviewed book has cca 100 pages, commentaries and explanations have around 1000 and the book contains all the knowledge of humankind referenced in one way or another. For example if you pick 1st letters of pages numbered with primes and use them as coordinates in Monge projections you get plan of the cathedral in Chartres. Isn't that basically what reading Finnegan's Wake is ?


Oh my god that is brilliant. I didn't know such a book existed. Off to google I go!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 21:46:45
April 25 2013 21:45 GMT
#35
do ho ho this is actually happening?

OK my two cents:

Absolutely no to Ulysses or Finnegans Wake. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

This is not a matter of personal taste, or preference, or insult on any of your abilities as readers. These books are difficult. Extremely difficult. That's why they're good. But that also makes them terrible choices for the inaugural books in an online book club. As i've mentioned to farva, I've seen so many TL book clubs start off with great excitement only to fizzle out. Having tomes like Ulysses be the object of discussion is not the right way to go as far as addressing this issue goes. For similar reasons, Proust is out in my opinion.

Basically this:

(It is worth mentioning yet again that I highly caution against a flippant vote for Ulysses or Finnegans Wake. I enjoy a good literary "trial by fire", which is what close readings of the above two tend to end up like, but not everyone is as masochistic as I. All I am saying is that even if you've already read Dubliners or APOTAAAYM, it might be worth getting acquainted with this discussion format/group dynamic via more accessible works first.)


It's not about how much you love Joyce or how excited you are to read Ulysses. It's sheer pragmatism that should drive you to rule out Ulysses and the like as the first choice.

I think Dubliners or Portrait would be fine choices. Maybe Prague Cemetery, but I honestly think Name of the Rose would be a better choice. Again, these opinions are not judgments on the merits of these works or anything of the sort, but merely trying to think what kind of books would be good to get an online book club going. Once things are up and running and all the unforeseen issues (and trust me, there will inevitably be many of these), we can definitely read whatever we want, including Finnegans Wake. But for now? Stick with something simple, straightforward, and to the point is my recommendation. Short, even, which leans my vote towards Dubliners, since it is easily broken down into manageable segments.

Someone mentioned Portuguese literature earlier, which actually reminds me Jose Saramago. I think Blindness would've been a fantastic choice for an earlier iteration of this online discussion. This might be driven by my adoration of everything I've read by Saramago, but hey
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
April 25 2013 22:33 GMT
#36
Yeah I think we should start with an easy book so we can flesh out all the intricacies and structure of how the discussion is going to work without worrying too much about the content of the book. This doesn't mean that we make the discussion secondary, just that we would make things less hectic.
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Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
April 25 2013 22:40 GMT
#37
On April 26 2013 07:33 Azera wrote:
Yeah I think we should start with an easy book so we can flesh out all the intricacies and structure of how the discussion is going to work without worrying too much about the content of the book. This doesn't mean that we make the discussion secondary, just that we would make things less hectic.

I agree, plus the idea is to start easy for those who don't usually read much
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 22:53:34
April 25 2013 22:52 GMT
#38
On April 26 2013 06:35 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 05:52 mcc wrote:
Instead of Ulysses/Finnegan's Wake we can read Lem's parody of it. He wrote review of non-existent book written by Odysseus from Ithaca (American one). The reviewed book has cca 100 pages, commentaries and explanations have around 1000 and the book contains all the knowledge of humankind referenced in one way or another. For example if you pick 1st letters of pages numbered with primes and use them as coordinates in Monge projections you get plan of the cathedral in Chartres. Isn't that basically what reading Finnegan's Wake is ?


Oh my god that is brilliant. I didn't know such a book existed. Off to google I go!

Lem wrote book of reviews to non-existing books so you won't find the reviewed book . He also prefaced it by a review of this book of reviews, did not actually got that it was him reading it first time. The main book is called Perfect Vacuum, the review/book I am referencing is called Gigamesh if you would want to find it. All the other reviews are also rather awesome for one reason or another. Some of those imaginary books he is reviewing would actually be impossible to write.

Also I mixed two reviews from that book in my head, Odysseus from Ithaca is separate review dealing with typology of geniuses.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
April 26 2013 05:25 GMT
#39
Three votes for Eco on Day 1, three votes for Eco on Day 2 ... well, at least we are being consistent. Stand strong, folks!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
April 26 2013 06:43 GMT
#40
I'm down for Eco, but I have reservations about how well he'd work as the first one to get everyone accustomed to the process @_@
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