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On January 25 2012 04:23 yaletown wrote:
Believe it or not, I recently received an email from GOM TV asking me NOT to host Barcrafts anymore. I then asked for a refund on my 1 year pass, which I paid for if I'm not allowed to host them and they abliged.
Therefore I will no longer be PROMOTING Barcrafts. If you would like to informally gather and ask me to turn on the TV to your favourite programs under your account, I can accomodate that.
As for the reasoning behind GOM's email, I have NO Idea at all...
Oh brother,
Really now? When you are promoting the game. Some people really. -_-
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O_O ? They cant be serious
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On January 25 2012 23:35 Zorkmid wrote:
Major sport associations charge BIG bucks to restaurants for the rights to show their events. This is an understandable business reaction, and in my opinion just means that eSports is getting bigger (in Korea anyway), and that's good (for some reason).
Were there barcrafts in Korea for BW?
nope, people usually just went to the stadium.
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AS A PERSON WHO ATTENDED BARCRAFT AT YALETOWN, IN SEOUL:
I'm kinda glad this topic got blown up. I saw it when Jason first posted about it, but decided not to say anything as to not come across hot-headed. Looks like some other people beat me to the punch!
The thing that a lot of people aren't realizing here: Yaletown can't house hundreds of fucking people. At any given barcraft there were MAXIMUM 12 people watching the stream. These are all people who either 1) have paid for a subsctiption or 2) DO NOT NEED A SUBSCRIPTION because they can attend the events live FOR FREE ANYWAY.
GOMTV is not going to gain any viewers or money out of this. Sorry.
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Yeah seriously, it's like 10-15 people max. People need to stop blowing this way out of proportion and just let us organise the meet-up. Friday night or anytime saturday suits. If it's saturday lunch we can watch the broodwar double-header on OGN, I think it starts at midday.
On January 26 2012 00:49 philipov wrote:
Well, I'm glad I already canceled my GOM 1 year pass in protest of their corrupt ruling in the Naniwa fiasco at Blizzard Cup. I'm happy to hear that Yaletown didn't just take this lightly, and I hope more people cancel their subscriptions to show GOM they need to change their business practices.
Idiots like this guy make me sad.
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I'm actually with GOM on this one...
The entrance to the studio is free because they want a lot of fans cheering in front of the camera and to create an ambiance that can be shown all over the world.
Bars always need special licenses to display pay-per-view events. It makes no sense for the organizer to pay 1 fee and show it to an unlimited amount of people.
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On January 26 2012 02:38 Back wrote:
I'm actually with GOM on this one...
The entrance to the studio is free because they want a lot of fans cheering in front of the camera and to create an ambiance that can be shown all over the world.
Bars always need special licenses to display pay-per-view events. It makes no sense for the organizer to pay 1 fee and show it to an unlimited amount of people.
Their live setup is absolutely horrible. I wouldn't go there even if I lived 100 meters away.
They should really do something about it cause its depressing seeing something that awful.
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On January 26 2012 02:51 dafunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 02:38 Back wrote:
I'm actually with GOM on this one...
The entrance to the studio is free because they want a lot of fans cheering in front of the camera and to create an ambiance that can be shown all over the world.
Bars always need special licenses to display pay-per-view events. It makes no sense for the organizer to pay 1 fee and show it to an unlimited amount of people. Their live setup is absolutely horrible. I wouldn't go there even if I lived 100 meters away. They should really do something about it cause its depressing seeing something that awful.
Your post has ALMOST as much as content as mine does.
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Maybe they should pimp up the studio or move to not make it look so depressing and bad, really make an effort to drag people down there and make it worth watching live instead of at home or anywhere else with some fellow starcrafters with some beer and shit. Because seriously, the studio and crowd looks really awkward from watching the broadcast online.
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I guess they desperately want people to show up to their live events.
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On January 25 2012 17:59 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2012 15:08 Looms wrote:On January 25 2012 04:23 yaletown wrote:
Believe it or not, I recently received an email from GOM TV asking me NOT to host Barcrafts anymore. I then asked for a refund on my 1 year pass, which I paid for if I'm not allowed to host them and they abliged.
Therefore I will no longer be PROMOTING Barcrafts. If you would like to informally gather and ask me to turn on the TV to your favourite programs under your account, I can accomodate that.
As for the reasoning behind GOM's email, I have NO Idea at all... wtf GOMTV... is that really Mr. Chae's stance? It's understandable. If one barcraft gets 80 people to watch on one stream they lost 79 viewers, now imagine there were 10 barcrafts in korea. Roughly 700 "potential" viewers lost. They have to fight for each viewer and barcrafts work against that. People don't realize that when there are thousands of people watching but they only generate like 100 views it's pretty dumb(for the event). Just think of the real numbers; people are always complaining about how sc2 gets less viewers than LoL, yet they forget that barcraft take away viewers. (Viewers as in numbers)
80 barcraft visitors don't equal 80 lost paying customers. Maybe 10-20 of them would have watched the stream themselves because they were fans from the beginning. But the next 20 wouldn't have paid anyway because they are just casual viewers - maybe some will advance to fans after the barcraft experience. At then there are 40+ people who wouldn't watch any stream at all because the didn't know of it / are (girl-) friends with a fan / etc - this is you NEW audience, gained by barcraft.
Only if your PR department is bad at calculating you will end up with smaller numbers through barcraft.
Instead they should add some '+ xxxx people through xx barcrafts' or '+xx% through barcrafts' for their sponsors.
I think special 'barcraft accounts' would sell aswell. They should include better quality or at least higher stream priority - nothing sadder than a barcraft stream carsh!
Judging by how loyal most of the SC2 community members are, staggered prices for events (1-10/10-50/50+) could work.
Just my thoughts..
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On January 25 2012 17:54 Rekrul wrote:
hahahahahahahahaah omg gom are you serious
Get to the bottom of this so we can read a blog on it an 2 years GOGO!
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United States7639 Posts
On January 26 2012 02:38 Back wrote:
I'm actually with GOM on this one...
The entrance to the studio is free because they want a lot of fans cheering in front of the camera and to create an ambiance that can be shown all over the world.
Bars always need special licenses to display pay-per-view events. It makes no sense for the organizer to pay 1 fee and show it to an unlimited amount of people.
lol I don't know what you're talking about. They never ever even show the audience unless you specifically make a cheerful. This isn't BW, where you get crowd shots at the beginning of every match, and we see Korean couples smiling shyly or girls hiding their faces from the camera. If you don't have a sign, then you might as well not be there. The place is fucking tiny and can barely fit more than 30 or so people anyway.
The barcrafts at yaletown never had more than 15 people. It was just a place for the few of us to gather and have fun. GOM would know; they sent a film crew to check it out one night. There is no massive amount of money being lost here.
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On January 26 2012 03:33 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 02:38 Back wrote:
I'm actually with GOM on this one...
The entrance to the studio is free because they want a lot of fans cheering in front of the camera and to create an ambiance that can be shown all over the world.
Bars always need special licenses to display pay-per-view events. It makes no sense for the organizer to pay 1 fee and show it to an unlimited amount of people. lol I don't know what you're talking about. They never ever even show the audience unless you specifically make a cheerful. This isn't BW, where you get crowd shots at the beginning of every match, and we see Korean couples smiling shyly or girls hiding their faces from the camera. If you don't have a sign, then you might as well not be there. The place is fucking tiny and can barely fit more than 30 or so people anyway. The barcrafts at yaletown never had more than 15 people. It was just a place for the few of us to gather and have fun. GOM would know; they sent a film crew to check it out one night. There is no massive amount of money being lost here.
Wait, GOM sent a film crew to BarCraft Seoul for a marketing reel, then shut you guys down?
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This is ridiculous. One of my favorite parts about StarCraft II spectating has been the local barcrafts here in Austin, TX. It does nothing but strengthen the audience's emotional tie to the game, the players, and the casters. Surely, there must be a better explanation.
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United States7639 Posts
On January 26 2012 03:48 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 03:33 Kiett wrote:On January 26 2012 02:38 Back wrote:
I'm actually with GOM on this one...
The entrance to the studio is free because they want a lot of fans cheering in front of the camera and to create an ambiance that can be shown all over the world.
Bars always need special licenses to display pay-per-view events. It makes no sense for the organizer to pay 1 fee and show it to an unlimited amount of people. lol I don't know what you're talking about. They never ever even show the audience unless you specifically make a cheerful. This isn't BW, where you get crowd shots at the beginning of every match, and we see Korean couples smiling shyly or girls hiding their faces from the camera. If you don't have a sign, then you might as well not be there. The place is fucking tiny and can barely fit more than 30 or so people anyway. The barcrafts at yaletown never had more than 15 people. It was just a place for the few of us to gather and have fun. GOM would know; they sent a film crew to check it out one night. There is no massive amount of money being lost here. Wait, GOM sent a film crew to BarCraft Seoul for a marketing reel, then shut you guys down?
Yeah, they did. I wasn't actually there that night (I think I went to watch the games at the studio?) but Symmetry was. He said they filmed everyone watching the game and socializing, and then gave out free GOMtv shirts. It seemed like they were really supportive of the event.
This is just a complete 180 :|
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That piss me off.
Kiett, if you can get in touch with yaletown owner and the organizer(s) of BarCraft Seoul, please send him my regard. Also let him know that he has the support of the BarCraft communities, and we would fight for him if he chooses to. Please have him get in touch with me if needed.
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On January 26 2012 00:49 philipov wrote:
Well, I'm glad I already canceled my GOM 1 year pass in protest of their corrupt ruling in the Naniwa fiasco at Blizzard Cup. I'm happy to hear that Yaletown didn't just take this lightly, and I hope more people cancel their subscriptions to show GOM they need to change their business practices.
Haha I did exactly the same last year, gom revoked my year pass immediately but ignored any monetary issues regarding it so I had to file a dispute through paypal. That 100$ is still not back joy eh.
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On January 26 2012 05:05 Primadog wrote:
That piss me off.
Kiett, if you can get in touch with yaletown owner and the organizer(s) of BarCraft Seoul, please send him my regard. Also let him know that he has the support of the BarCraft communities, and we would fight for him if he chooses to. Please have him get in touch with me if needed.
u r way too emotionally involved in this lol
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The irony is that TL released their new Barcraft section of the site the day after this thread was made. Hopefully someone with common sense or actual knowledge of PR changes their policy over at GOM.
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